furrydice79

nice write up, i was gonna go here but decided against it, im sure this report will be a decisive factor in peoples decisions.

reano

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It's on the standard Turbo and internals it's one of the best packages for the PPP sti without going to a new turbo. I did some research on it. TSL was very close too but this just builds on top of the PPP upgrades. I would definately say go with WRC. I just wanted to present the whole picture of my experience. The car drives very well I will see what the economics are in the next few weeks.

What was good was a Honda s2000 'tried' to keep up with me Laugh out bl**dy loud first two round abouts he kept coming back up to me so I knew he wanted to race so when we had about a 2 - 3 mile straight, by by never saw him again really .....

Thats what you pay for I tell ya bl**dy brilliant acceleration.

p1doc

mm standard turbo rated to 350bhp could be blown turbo on its way tsl told me any more than 350 would require new turbo,i take it it was wrc dyno you got readings on-not having a go just intrigued by bhp the standard turbo can only use so much air despite other mods
martin

reano

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Im dyno'd at 335 at wrc so pleased with that as it gives good margin for turbo. Also the bigger intercooler helps increase the life of the standard turbo as less heat to deal with. They have a lot out there and the bhp is nearly the same as TSL so plenty of Subaru's doing c330 out there with no problems and the torque DAMN c350 - 360!!!!! I can't say enough about the difference. You see (like most of you PPP boys out there) we quote 305bhp but really deep down we know it's less than 300! I have increased my bhp by about 52 bhp and torque by about 70 lb/ft!!!

Like most of you I was there contemplating the upgrade reading the mags, looking at the websites, this forum, etc!!! I'm an acceleration man top speed means nothing. I live near country and like to overtake tractors, lorries, etc if you don't do it at the right places your stuck for miles sometimes. I was going to just send in a WRC are great post but wanted to get them to improve as all of these specialists can. Some are a lot dirtier (as in premises not clean ....) than WRC or not as friendly. Others will read this and we all will benefit but like I said I will go back to them by far the friendliest specialist I've been too ... really.

RB5_245

Nice write on on your experence there, would say though reading that I would stay well clear. Although you do nothing but praise them it sounds like they are speaking techno babble with a smile and fobbing you off. Fine if you're happy with that but you could have got 330bhp with a good ecutek map for 500quid.

When the Wr1 came out there was a bit of thought along the lines of that's an awful high power on the VF35 to be keeping with a warrenty, and well done to prodrive for it.

Athough it would be nice to believe the std turbo was cabable of such high powers, it's not. If the VF35 was able to produce a realistic 350bhp it would not have been spec'd as it was for a 260bhp car originally.

As for 387bhp... someone's yanking your chain. I know it's easy to go for a marketed package but if you're serious about upping the power learn a bit about what you're intending to do and the capabilities of each thing you're going to change. This site and others are a wealth of knowledge if you read through the technical sections, and I don't mean ask a question and listen to the first answer someone posts. Have a good read and search on the subject.

murphy54

I can not answer but...good luck

RB5_245

Sorry before the flaming starts, you can make 360bhp out of a VF35 if you don't care about having a driveable car, it's way over the flowrate that the compressor can deal with and imo wildly overstepping the mark on what the turbine should be dealing with outside of a group A spec'd engine

reano

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Thanks for your reply RB5. Like I said I 'researched this for months' seriously ... I saw the Ecutek and all the other ways that could save some pounds, I saw tsl, scoobyclinic and all the others that advertised don't worry. I'm an engineer by training and have worked for many of the large car companies Honda, Ford, etc and know about specifications used (I used to help spec them and test them at the component level really.....) and the level of tolerance leway given for components. I now work as a performance and security guy for computer systems which also includs embedded systems in cars. Trust me I don't do things lightly.

I am really pleased with WRC as you can see and didn't really want to say the negative as I think it can sound really bad. I wanted them and other specialists to know we as consumers do talk out, etc hence why I wrote a more complete review rather than woowee everyones great.

I wanted to have the bigger intercooler and air induction to be honest just to add a bit more leeway than just an ecu upgrade. So I'm happy other people can make up their own mind in fact I believe most people are like me on here they will research, not take the first response and then go with what they want.

I went with WRC after reading about all the other boys like Powerstation and the others I mentioned. I just thought the package for the sti ppp was right. I thought the ppp fuel pump and exhaust were ok and didn't want to upgrade those (as per some other packages) and wanted a sort of bolt on kit and thats what WRC offered for others it maybe something else.

I also think bhp of 335 and torque that goes to 350 is spot on in my opinion.

RB5_245

Glad you're happy with it, at the end of the day as long as you are that's the main thing

Would you honestly have still gone that route if they had quoted 335bhp? instead of the advertised 350 (I do read the 'it's a 50bhp increase' bit as BS imo).

Dave

edmy716

you really do need to think about wat ur saying because your talking rubbish, its the supporting mods and mapping thats what counts.

my car is more than driveable its awsome, super smooth with 357bhp/361ftlb. i would take on any wrc350ppp

furrydice79

as i said in the earlier post, i was gonna go here with my MY05sti (nonppp), but as i was looking for least money for most power i ended up fitting a full decat ,walbro pump,green panel, and then had it remapped.just food for thought.
centre section-100
downpipe -120
fuel pump - 110
green panel - 30
remap -650
labour -200
my way £1210 = 325bhp/316lbs

if i was gauranteed 350/350 then i maybe have went with wrc.

reano

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RB5 it sounds like you 'don't' want to believe me. I phoned them before I even decided and they said look you know that most cars that are ppp dont meet the 305 but we aim for 50bhp over what is has. They told me staright so I knew what I was getting before I made any decision (as per previous replies) I also said I had considered this along side tsl and the rest but didn't want a new exhaust, etc. My question is why is it that you don't want to believe e.g. you say are sure you ...., but you could have ..... man the car drives fantastic fast and nice and driveable in fact more driveable than with ppp in my honest with the etc torque no need to change down as much. You say its all bull about the guy pushing more than 350bhp? why is it? You say they (WRC) just talk bull but you weren't there yet I was LOLER . I was actually itching to get out but Alan was trying to get me to listen to what he was saying about how to drive the car, cooling it, etc. Now I did know this already but he didn't know and that was good.

Note my complaints were not about the car at all but out things like the car wash so why go on about the car loler just trying to see where your coming from RB5 .....

reano

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That sounds very good Furrydice but why must you get guaranteed 350? I mean why? Is it for bragging down the pub "man I got 350 bhp ....." I mean what specifically will 350bhp give you that youu want. While I was there another customer was talking with Alan (phone) and he and one of his assistance was talking about this guy wanting (I can't remember the figure) but Alan said I'm not going to be held over a barrell for figures if the car don't drive good ..... he did not say that for me ... now thats ace. I got 335 and c360 torque (aint got the charts here for exact figure) . There is always some cheaper option somewhere I have no problem with that

furrydice79

i dnt neccesarily mean defo 350, all i want is the biggest smile on my face for the smallest price if you know what i mean.

reano

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Come on then loler like there's gonna be anything in it loler.

reano

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I know what you mean really I remember when I came back in from my drive WRC (Alan) was explaining why he didn't want to push it too much to the 350bhp, etc but at this point I was just grinning !! If I were ever to go and improve this it would have to be something major and all the breaks, suspension, as well as the engine would have to have an overhaul.

I think I've reached my limit (thats what they all say....... I know)..

WRC-T2

Reano
Many thanks for your post. It was nicely balanced and pointed out our good and bad points in a nice way. Whilst we/I made a few errors [which I will endeavour not to repeat] in the main, I believe that we met or exceeded your expectations.

You correctly pointed out that numbers on a piece of paper do not show how a particular car drives and that the highest absolute number is not always best. On the PPP cars we particularly like retaining the civility of the driving experience through retaining the original PPP exhaust. This still allows you peace of mind on emissions/mot/roadside checks whilst keeping noise down for relaxed motorway cruising.

I am pleased that you are happy with the car and will gladly courier the intercooler & air box up to you. [foc]

Regards

Allan

jd5217

Running on a TD05/20G from AndyF + many other bits. Many thanks to Allan & everyone at WRC from another very satisfied customer.

Intercooler spray I use is the http://www.turbobits.co.uk/acatalog/...ter_spray.html,
works very well.

Sourced an autospray switch from Grade A to match the existing switching.

reano

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No worries I am really happy with the car I know some people on this forum don't want to believe me but if I wasn't I would say, WRC are not paying me. Like you saw on the day I had a big smile and still do. Anyway next job will be the auto spray so I will get some info from the reply above and then arrange with you. I keep think what else can I do without getting more power directly from engine e.g. carbon shaft, lighter flywheel, etc but I'm going to resist ......

p1doc

sound spot on with that turbo,i got autospray switch from ebay america shipped to uk for less than £30-nice easy mod although i have been told jdm cars have boost dependent spray while uk cars do not have ecu capacity to do this
martin

reano

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JD what exact bits did you get

There is:

1) Intelligent Intercooler Water Spray Controller which I assume I must get

2) Spray bar kit

3) other small tubes and connectors

Is it just number 1 above?

RB5_245

I did write a bit about this last night but lost it when the site crashed.

I quite believe your car makes what you say it does, and know how quick and nice a car that will be to drive.

The jist of it was that from what I gathered (not easy as there's not much info on the VF series turbos) at that sort of power (350bhp) the VF35 compressor is out of it's operational range which is compounded by having the tiny P15 exh side.

You say I don't want to believe you, it's not so much that as I think the people advertising the package are being economical with the figures they quote in the sales blurb. I would like to believe you as a 350bhp car running one would be a dream to drive.

Anyway I'll leave it at that.

RB5_245

This on the other hand looks nice, good price particularly if you want to try the 1/4 mile or leave the car out in the sun in summer.

You could make up a timer kit from maplin to give you a 5 sec burst when you hit the button for some spare change instead of the controller, although it wouldn't be temperature controlled. You have to be giving it real biscuits, ie on the track to suffer heatsoak while running at a good speed anyway.

jd5217

just got the controller & linked into use existing nozzle & water tank, so both the auto works & the existing timed manual switch should I choose.

Auto switch is from a JDM car but wired to switch the earth to the controller.

The existing nozzle gives adequate coverage for the intercooler.

Do you want the complete list of everything done to the engine or just this trip?

reano

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RB5 no worries I think what I have now is the limit of what I would take it without a major overhaul.

I also think what you are saying is the difference between marketing 'can' and 'will'. E.g. the car CAN get 350 bhp but that WILL depend on what the bhp is to start with. It happens in all walks of life every company I know advertises the 'can' side of it's products in sales and as long as it's not a lie I'm fine.

E.g. this food will CAN help you slim if taken as part of a calorie controlled diet, etc, Optimax, football boots, golf clubs, cars 0 - 60, Prodrive, etc, etc.

jd5217

It gets expensive next step.

reano

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Do not give me a list of what you have had done don't (I must resist) ....... I mean my wife will start to wonder after all the wrc stuff was just a "bit of a service..." hehe ...

jd5217

this lot began cause my wife got me the turbo for xmas.

GazTheHat

Oh, you had one of "those" services. I'm planning one of "those" too soon

Great thread everyone, good read.

p1doc

i have had 2 such services when i go down south to courses and pop in to tsl 333 map first chargecooler second
martin