engines damaged by incorrect fuel
19 March 2006, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Not at all pete. I am saying that Subaru map for the lowest common denominator. And that changes in overall airflow (for the same boost and RPM) will be accounted for in a general sense by the MAF sensor. On the newer cars each car can be mapped individually to a certain extent by the very active ignition timing. The further you go from standard, the greater the differences become.
What would be the 'Lowest Common Dnominator' in, say, the Impreza Turbo range ... taking mine, a MY00 ... what would be the Lowest Common Denomintor - I want to know, because mine may be IT!!
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19 March 2006, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Why would they have to individually map each car ..... each particular model of car is the SAME! 
Originally Posted by pslewis
What I cannot fathom is why buy a car then change it????
Buy the car you WANT not one you want to change????????????????
Even the most **** and stupid MUST see the logic in that last statement?
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Thats not the question.
Some people are fools, some people spout miss-informed crap on here, some people do make the new snetter afraid to take their car out of the garage incase the 'chocolate' engine expires.
BUT, why can you not accept that there are people who know more than you do and have more experience about the Impreza EJ20 engine and its systems.
You never really enter into a reasoned discussion.
I appreciate that you challenge accepted norms that have grown up on snet, keep it up, but please stop being so childish sometimes.
19 March 2006, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronhowe
No actually I am talking from experience of mapping my Civic Type R and then looking at other cars data logs with exactly the same mods running the map I had created. You would be suprised how different the fueling and amount of ignition 2 identical cars will run.
I don't need to know exact tolerences to know that two seemingly identical engines are obviously not totally the same.
I don't need to know exact tolerences to know that two seemingly identical engines are obviously not totally the same.
Just an indication of the differences you monitored and measured - what are the values and when did they occur? Was it on the same day, at the same time?
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19 March 2006, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary C
I appreciate that you challenge accepted norms that have grown up on snet, keep it up, but please stop being so childish sometimes.
What I am trying to get to the bottom of is some measurable figures.
It's simple to make statements like, "The Subaru ECU is really slow and is useless at protecting your engine" ........ "and, by the way - have you seen our re-mapping prices?"
To come out with comments like, "The Big-Ends will go if you use the Oil that Subaru recommend" ...... "and, by the way, I have a Spring Sale on SUPER RallyX Fully Synthetic Oil with added Hydro-crack!!"
What seems to be lacking COMPLETELY are SMART figures to back up these statements, thats:-
S pecific
M easurable
A chievable ... in the context that the 'fault' could be repeated given the same conditions
R elevant
T ime-Framed
I have NEVER seen documentary evidence that points to, for example, a weak MAF on MY99 and MY00 cars ......... and that this destroys engines within moments!
The readers of these forums DESERVE and should DEMAND hard evidence if they are going to be subject to a sustained barage of negative comments about their cars ........ if they are going to be scared ****less by those with vested interests then, at the very least, they should KNOW and be able to MEASURE when their car is going to blow up .................
Why do we never hear on TV and in Mags. about the unreliable Subaru's?? About the MAFs that are crap? about the ECUs that are stupid, about the fuel issues where an engine blows up unless the petrol is less than 5 hours, 37 minutes and 16 seconds old??
It is because there are, contrary to SN Scaremongerers wishes, NO ISSUES WITH THESE CARS WHATSOEVER!
And if there are issues then they are fully self inflicted!
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19 March 2006, 06:27 PM
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When people give figures, or point out errors, pslewis conveniently overlooks them. He is a troll, he does more scaremongering than he claims to combat by highlighting the problems, real or not, that he doesn't agree with.
If anyone has some genuine concerns or questions, they can contact the relavent dealer or specialist of their choice.
Others have given up long before me trying to give the sort of information that pete claims to have never seen. I'm sick of arguing with the selective memory and misquotes of pete, I plenty of actually worthwhile things to be doing instead.
If anyone has some genuine concerns or questions, they can contact the relavent dealer or specialist of their choice.
Others have given up long before me trying to give the sort of information that pete claims to have never seen. I'm sick of arguing with the selective memory and misquotes of pete, I plenty of actually worthwhile things to be doing instead.
19 March 2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
What are the measurable differences?
Just an indication of the differences you monitored and measured - what are the values and when did they occur? Was it on the same day, at the same time?
Pete
Just an indication of the differences you monitored and measured - what are the values and when did they occur? Was it on the same day, at the same time?
Pete
After I had setup the fueling again on his car I was then able to add an extra 3 degrees of timing into it between 7500rpm and 8250rpm when mine was already on the limits.
Both cars were datalogged the same day as I wanted to recheck mine to make sure everything was ok since the map had been quite out on his car.
19 March 2006, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
When people give figures, or point out errors, pslewis conveniently overlooks them. He is a troll, he does more scaremongering than he claims to combat by highlighting the problems, real or not, that he doesn't agree with.
If anyone has some genuine concerns or questions, they can contact the relavent dealer or specialist of their choice.
Others have given up long before me trying to give the sort of information that pete claims to have never seen. I'm sick of arguing with the selective memory and misquotes of pete, I plenty of actually worthwhile things to be doing instead.
If anyone has some genuine concerns or questions, they can contact the relavent dealer or specialist of their choice.
Others have given up long before me trying to give the sort of information that pete claims to have never seen. I'm sick of arguing with the selective memory and misquotes of pete, I plenty of actually worthwhile things to be doing instead.
It's when people start pissing about with them that they go wrong!
Now, I admire your patience - maybe you could just post up the SMART measurements that show an inherent fault in Subaru ECUs (for example)
I think I have never seen any hard evidence is because there isn't any .... it's all a heresay thing, a rumour, a myth ..... a 'feeling'
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19 March 2006, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronhowe
Specifically the areas where the type R was on high cam between 4500rpm and 6500rpm my car would run at around 13.2:1 A/F pretty consistently (best for performance on a naturally aspirated car) and yet my friends car who had the exact same mods as I did was running lean in the first half of the rev range (approx 14.5:1) and rich in the upper half (approx 12:1)
After I had setup the fueling again on his car I was then able to add an extra 3 degrees of timing into it between 7500rpm and 8250rpm when mine was already on the limits.
Both cars were datalogged the same day as I wanted to recheck mine to make sure everything was ok since the map had been quite out on his car.
After I had setup the fueling again on his car I was then able to add an extra 3 degrees of timing into it between 7500rpm and 8250rpm when mine was already on the limits.
Both cars were datalogged the same day as I wanted to recheck mine to make sure everything was ok since the map had been quite out on his car.
Same sensors, same ECU? same software version? same spark plugs with the same mileage on them?
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19 March 2006, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
I believe the correct spelling is "their".
And surely someone wanting to improve their English would take some English lessons rather than do them.
Uneducated idiot?
And surely someone wanting to improve their English would take some English lessons rather than do them.
Uneducated idiot?
nice one zen my sides are killing me ive never laughed so much.
19 March 2006, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
It is because there are, contrary to SN Scaremongerers wishes, NO ISSUES WITH THESE CARS WHATSOEVER!
Pete
If this comment was true Subaru would/could save a fortune by not giving warranty's out, as cars never go wrong in warranty do they ????
For saying this of all things, just shows others how much you really do know....
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19 March 2006, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by justanotherperson
where's your documented proof of this comment?
For saying this of all things, just shows others how much you really do know....
For saying this of all things, just shows others how much you really do know....
Answer that, then we can move on ......
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19 March 2006, 07:00 PM
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Davey,
Im afraid that's bollocks - I work for an oil company and have learned what goes on. Yes there are only a few depots so in effect they are all filling up with the same fuel. Do you know what happens after the tankers fill up though?
MB
Im afraid that's bollocks - I work for an oil company and have learned what goes on. Yes there are only a few depots so in effect they are all filling up with the same fuel. Do you know what happens after the tankers fill up though?
MB
Originally Posted by [Davey]
DAMN RIGHT!
Yes a lower octane fuel could mean some very slight knock at the top end, but combine that with driving like a pr1ck and this is why engines blow up!
Even the super-dooper-high-octange-mega-special-overpriced fuel isn't what it says on the pump, the octane rating is higher when it leaves the refinery (because the level drops during storage and transport) and the number on the pump is an approximation of what it should be by the time it comes out of the nozzle.
And all this b*llocks about getting your fuel from certain garages.. Do you realise how few depots there are in this country? Most garages in a certain area will be getting their fuel from the same supplier!
There also seems to be some view that say Tescos fuel is some how worse than the BP nextdoor... "It must be because its cheaper"??? Err no! Its the same reason Tescos sell milk at a loss, they make millions of pounds of profit every week so they can afford to sell petrol at a loss to get the punters into the shop.
Yes a lower octane fuel could mean some very slight knock at the top end, but combine that with driving like a pr1ck and this is why engines blow up!
Even the super-dooper-high-octange-mega-special-overpriced fuel isn't what it says on the pump, the octane rating is higher when it leaves the refinery (because the level drops during storage and transport) and the number on the pump is an approximation of what it should be by the time it comes out of the nozzle.
And all this b*llocks about getting your fuel from certain garages.. Do you realise how few depots there are in this country? Most garages in a certain area will be getting their fuel from the same supplier!
There also seems to be some view that say Tescos fuel is some how worse than the BP nextdoor... "It must be because its cheaper"??? Err no! Its the same reason Tescos sell milk at a loss, they make millions of pounds of profit every week so they can afford to sell petrol at a loss to get the punters into the shop.
19 March 2006, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I asked whather you were a Chartered Engineer and where you did your Degree/which year/and college?
Answer that, then we can move on ......
Pete
Answer that, then we can move on ......
Pete
Anyway you don't need a degree from anywhere to see you're an *** of the biggest kind
19 March 2006, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel-S
This thread has just proved what a arrogant ignorant **** you really are
Don't you ever get fed up with not having ANYTHING to contribute?
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19 March 2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by justanotherperson
You asked me that a while ago and, at first i was willing to give you the information, but then when i saw what a Troll you were and how you treat other people who give factual evidence, i decided not to, so i still wont give you the information you want.I can assure you that i have an engineering degree,unlike yourself who just has an inflated ego and can't stand it when people show you up.
Anyway you don't need a degree from anywhere to see you're an *** of the biggest kind
Anyway you don't need a degree from anywhere to see you're an *** of the biggest kind
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19 March 2006, 07:05 PM
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Pete, while I often agree with you... Chartership means very little IMO with relevance to this thread, and im working hard towards it. There are plenty of clever minds on here that wont have a degree or be cahrtered, that you cant really discriminate against.
I for example can tell you all sorts about gas turbine theory etc, but i know very little at all about car engines. I know a reasonable amount on ECU's and engine management though!
MB
I for example can tell you all sorts about gas turbine theory etc, but i know very little at all about car engines. I know a reasonable amount on ECU's and engine management though!
MB
Originally Posted by pslewis
I asked whather you were a Chartered Engineer and where you did your Degree/which year/and college?
Answer that, then we can move on ......
Pete
Answer that, then we can move on ......
Pete
19 March 2006, 07:06 PM
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Come on guy's, enough is enough.
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Rob
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19 March 2006, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Informative and enlightening post as always
Don't you ever get fed up with not having ANYTHING to contribute?
Pete
Don't you ever get fed up with not having ANYTHING to contribute?
Pete
And i respect the people on here who KNOW what they're talking about.
19 March 2006, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
Pete, while I often agree with you... Chartership means very little IMO with relevance to this thread, and im working hard towards it. There are plenty of clever minds on here that wont have a degree or be cahrtered, that you cant really discriminate against.
I for example can tell you all sorts about gas turbine theory etc, but i know very little at all about car engines. I know a reasonable amount on ECU's and engine management though!
MB
I for example can tell you all sorts about gas turbine theory etc, but i know very little at all about car engines. I know a reasonable amount on ECU's and engine management though!
MB
Nothing wrong with either ......... actually ...........
I have taken many a car engine to pieces, I understand Microprocessor control, I understand sensors ...........
I see many statements made on SN which simply cannot be backed up ...
"Weak ECU" ........... WTF does that mean?
"Slow MAF" ............ again, WTF?
It's utter bollox ..... and we all know it ...... don't we now?
The reason I ask if someone is an Engineer is simply to gauge whether they would actually understand the subject or not ...
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19 March 2006, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel-S
I come on here to learn about the car,and broaden my knolwedge as i'm into cars particulay Imprezas.
And i respect the people on here who KNOW what they're talking about.
And i respect the people on here who KNOW what they're talking about.
OK, I'll keep you happy - your car engine is about to blow up in the near future, you need a re-map, you need to **** yourself if you think the fuel you have put in has lost its RON value, you need a set of cocklink lights to add to your terror, you need a rolling road test, you need a re-build (just to be on the safe side) .......................
There we go .. happy now??
You can see less than a blind man on a galloping horse!!
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19 March 2006, 07:18 PM
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Yep, I agree there are about 1% of people on here that have clue, and the rest that try and chip in are either copying what others have said, which may have been wrong in the first place!
The bits I know are from fiddling with the car myself, and taking advice of the clever people
As with all BBS's its just a case of finding out who knows the score....
MB
The bits I know are from fiddling with the car myself, and taking advice of the clever people
As with all BBS's its just a case of finding out who knows the score....
MB
19 March 2006, 07:22 PM
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I'm 15 mate so no car for me
I will never take anything you say seriously as you know NOTHING
I will never take anything you say seriously as you know NOTHING
Originally Posted by pslewis
Just as I thought .................. a mug to the slaughter .......
OK, I'll keep you happy - your car engine is about to blow up in the near future, you need a re-map, you need to **** yourself if you think the fuel you have put in has lost its RON value, you need a set of cocklink lights to add to your terror, you need a rolling road test, you need a re-build (just to be on the safe side) .......................
There we go .. happy now??
You can see less than a blind man on a galloping horse!!
Pete
OK, I'll keep you happy - your car engine is about to blow up in the near future, you need a re-map, you need to **** yourself if you think the fuel you have put in has lost its RON value, you need a set of cocklink lights to add to your terror, you need a rolling road test, you need a re-build (just to be on the safe side) .......................
There we go .. happy now??
You can see less than a blind man on a galloping horse!!
Pete
19 March 2006, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
Yep, I agree there are about 1% of people on here that have clue, and the rest that try and chip in are either copying what others have said, which may have been wrong in the first place!
The bits I know are from fiddling with the car myself, and taking advice of the clever people
As with all BBS's its just a case of finding out who knows the score....
MB
The bits I know are from fiddling with the car myself, and taking advice of the clever people
As with all BBS's its just a case of finding out who knows the score....
MB
Spot-On!
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19 March 2006, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel-S
I will never take anything you say seriously as you know NOTHING
Does this post look bovverred to you?????????????
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19 March 2006, 07:26 PM
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Pete, you make it fairly obvious from your posts (wind-up or non-wind up) to everyone that your engineering abilities and understanding do not match your supposed credentials.
Before you have a go at me............echo above comments - show me yours and i will show you mine.
I feel for the respected guys such as John Banks and Pavlo etc that they have to waste their time trying to make people believe whats really happening in technical matters. They should be advising - not plastering up misinformation from your trolling.
If anyone newbies read this, Please ignore Lewis. He knows fack all.
Before you have a go at me............echo above comments - show me yours and i will show you mine.
I feel for the respected guys such as John Banks and Pavlo etc that they have to waste their time trying to make people believe whats really happening in technical matters. They should be advising - not plastering up misinformation from your trolling.
If anyone newbies read this, Please ignore Lewis. He knows fack all.
19 March 2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by p1mark
Pete, you make it fairly obvious from your posts (wind-up or non-wind up) to everyone that your engineering abilities and understanding do not match your supposed credentials
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19 March 2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I just KNEW you were talking out your rear end .... you have a degree? hmmmmm, yeah right
Pete
Pete
Anyone who actually give's out facts,wether they are about Subaru engines or Engineering you turn up purposely to either ignor or belittle them,thier idea's or the facts.
You also like telling people to shut up,when really it should be you the one shutting up.
I await your next piece of drivel,which would,i expect, either tell me to shut up or prove some other credential.