Someone please explain why Truckers do this!!
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Fuzz,
That's a cracking idea.
To everyone who thinks that anyone who stays in the outside lane until the last minute is selfish, consider this: If you're on a dual carriageway that is going down to one lane and everyone merges 600 yards earlier than the cones suggest, you are reducing the capacity of the road and are therefore adding to congestion FOR EVERYONE. Therefore, by merging early and making it harder for other road users to use the roads correctly and as intended by the traffic planners it is you that is being selfish. I'm looking at you, Lewis
That's a cracking idea.
To everyone who thinks that anyone who stays in the outside lane until the last minute is selfish, consider this: If you're on a dual carriageway that is going down to one lane and everyone merges 600 yards earlier than the cones suggest, you are reducing the capacity of the road and are therefore adding to congestion FOR EVERYONE. Therefore, by merging early and making it harder for other road users to use the roads correctly and as intended by the traffic planners it is you that is being selfish. I'm looking at you, Lewis
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Originally Posted by steffiraf
The planners, make a point of telling everyone 3 miles prior, then 1 mile prior that a lane is closing, do they not? If everyone filtered in as they should, when there is plenty of room, then traffic would flow freely. The ***** that think they have the god given right, over everyone else, just end up slowing down everyone else, in their urge to get 10 cars in front. What does it matter? Do you go to a supermarket and barge into a gap between trolleys and expect to be let in? No, you dont, so why is it any different?
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I think you're wrong. It's your choice to get in lane far too early, and I'm sure it derives from a very English sense of good manners. However, I'm sure the people that plan these merge points dont expect drivers to travel as single-lane traffic for half a mile previously.
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Give me a brief description of your car and I will do my best, I would like to upgrade my sprinter to one of the newer models and as it would be your fault I can claim on your insurance
I'm sure I will have plenty of witnesses that will back me up
I'm sure I will have plenty of witnesses that will back me up
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steffiraf, you can often travel down the outside and just filter in at the same speed as you are travelling due to the vehicle on the left talking to his/her passengers, eating, reading etc instead of moving.
Now that's progressive driving.
Now that's progressive driving.
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Originally Posted by **************
Totally agree. What is the point of queuing 800yds back from the cones when other lanes are empty creating one massive queue
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Originally Posted by andypugh2000
If the law was merge in turn, how would all the people who race down the outside feel if there were 40 artics on the inside, they would soon want to get back in their lane as that queue would be moving MUCH faster
Originally Posted by Spoon
The drivers who queue way too early are the problem. On roads other than motorways were you might join from a roundabout, you find you have no choice other than to be in the outside lane wanting to filter in. You can still get treated as though you are trying to queue jump, although occassionally you do come across a driver using his/her brain who lets you in.
The British love to queue and fail to see it can be unnecessary if filtering is done properly.
The British love to queue and fail to see it can be unnecessary if filtering is done properly.
Originally Posted by steffiraf
Sorry Al, I beg to differ on this one. One of my pet hates, is to**ers that go down the o/s lane when they were warned a mile back of the lane closure. It irritates me no end, that some tw!t in his 5 series, thinks he has priority over me. Go on the truckers, I say. I do it, in my scoob as well. Cover two lanes so noone can pass on either side. If the rest of us can wait, so can you IMO. Traffic would flow more freely if everyone had some manners
Originally Posted by NotoriousREV
As a Highways Agency traffic planner once said "If I wanted the traffic to merge 600 yards before the cones, I'd have moved the cones up 600 yards"
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Originally Posted by Spoon
steffiraf, you can often travel down the outside and just filter in at the same speed as you are travelling due to the vehicle on the left talking to his/her passengers, eating, reading etc instead of moving.
Now that's progressive driving.
Now that's progressive driving.
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Fair play Spoon,no real offence meant to anyone, it is just annoying at times when your sitting in a queue of traffic and you just start to get 40 tonnes of motor moving and your maybe going for a gear(remember i need to do 6 gear changes just to get to 25mph when loaded) for somone to cut the nose off you and jump into a gap that you could really do with..Thats one of the reasons we like to try and keep the truck moving at a steady pace!
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So there are those who believe we should have a single queue of traffic, from between a few hundred yards to a mile, with an empty lane running that length?
It's quite simple that convergence is occuring anyway, whether it's one mile back or at the convergence arrows.. what's the difference???
Yes you do get people who drive down 1/2 a miles worth of empty lane and converge at the correct time and place.. these people are using the road effectively and not blindly following the car in front.. Use some common sense and use the road to your best advantage.. The path of least resistance... If used correctly, then this would keep the traffic moving more efficiently than dozens of people extending the inside lane much further than is necessary...
If you want to sit there following the crowd then more fool you. I'll be driving efficiently, effectively and using the road to its best and most safest advantage..
Idiots like this trucker and to a lesser extent those advocating lane straddling to prevent proper progress are the ones that need to re-think their approach to safe and progressive driving
Steff - I agree that there may be some to**ers out there driving quickly down the lane and ultimately being aggressive, but this mindless minority are as bad as the mindless minority who practice lane stradlling to prove some crass and futile point.. Once they're gone, the traffic reverts back to normal anyway I'll be quizzing your old man when he takes me out on a 6 Hr rush hour lesson sometime soon
Ted - That's the best explanation I've heard and I can appreciate the reason. Thank you. But I still feel it's a little selfish to keep a long queue of traffic behind just to save a few gear changes... By keeping a steady space and distance, thus letting in the odd idiot, is just as safe and less frustrating as well as safer..
It's quite simple that convergence is occuring anyway, whether it's one mile back or at the convergence arrows.. what's the difference???
Yes you do get people who drive down 1/2 a miles worth of empty lane and converge at the correct time and place.. these people are using the road effectively and not blindly following the car in front.. Use some common sense and use the road to your best advantage.. The path of least resistance... If used correctly, then this would keep the traffic moving more efficiently than dozens of people extending the inside lane much further than is necessary...
If you want to sit there following the crowd then more fool you. I'll be driving efficiently, effectively and using the road to its best and most safest advantage..
Idiots like this trucker and to a lesser extent those advocating lane straddling to prevent proper progress are the ones that need to re-think their approach to safe and progressive driving
Steff - I agree that there may be some to**ers out there driving quickly down the lane and ultimately being aggressive, but this mindless minority are as bad as the mindless minority who practice lane stradlling to prove some crass and futile point.. Once they're gone, the traffic reverts back to normal anyway I'll be quizzing your old man when he takes me out on a 6 Hr rush hour lesson sometime soon
Ted - That's the best explanation I've heard and I can appreciate the reason. Thank you. But I still feel it's a little selfish to keep a long queue of traffic behind just to save a few gear changes... By keeping a steady space and distance, thus letting in the odd idiot, is just as safe and less frustrating as well as safer..
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Originally Posted by **************
Yes there would, one massive one laned queue. Why do you think there is more than one lane open? Its there to be used
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One of the main reasons why people may have to "jam" on brakes is quite often the person in lane 2 will do everything they can not to let anyone in after the 600 yard sign.
This means they keep slamming on the brakes
which will either cause an accident or eventually stop the traffic
This means they keep slamming on the brakes
which will either cause an accident or eventually stop the traffic
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Not at all, I just fail to see the reason why everyone should queue in one lane when there is more than one lane available for use.
What makes it even more bizarre is when drivers try and stop me on my motorbike. Now that really does beggar belief. If they pull out to the extreme right I will pull in behind them and go round them to the left and then pull back out
What makes it even more bizarre is when drivers try and stop me on my motorbike. Now that really does beggar belief. If they pull out to the extreme right I will pull in behind them and go round them to the left and then pull back out
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Originally Posted by **************
Not at all, I just fail to see the reason why everyone should queue in one lane when there is more than one lane available for use.
What makes it even more bizarre is when drivers try and stop me on my motorbike. Now that really does beggar belief. If they pull out to the extreme right I will pull in behind them and go round them to the left and then pull back out
What makes it even more bizarre is when drivers try and stop me on my motorbike. Now that really does beggar belief. If they pull out to the extreme right I will pull in behind them and go round them to the left and then pull back out
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Originally Posted by steffiraf
Am all for progressive driving but when the traffic is virtually stopped, how can it be? It just prolongs the agony. Yr not telling me, that when yr 50yds from the closure and nobby in his 5 series pulls along side you, you just say 'nice one mate, here's a space for you, a quality piece of progressive driving'? I dont believe you for one minute
There wouldn't be a queue if everybody arrived at the filter and did 1 in, 1 filter, 1 in, 1 filter etc. Everybody would still be moving.
Why Bm's are picked on I've no idea, that kind of says more about why this happens though.
Why people feel they need to get so defensive behind a wheel is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by steffiraf
Bikers are different. I have no arguement with them. Just middle aged ar**holes in big cars
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Amazing how you can say that. I let everybody that finds themselves on the outside of me filter in, I can assure you. If I have to let 2 cars in that are rolling and I'm just about to move then I will. Obviously I'm not going to sit there waving everyone through if I can move.
There wouldn't be a queue if everybody arrived at the filter and did 1 in, 1 filter, 1 in, 1 filter etc. Everybody would still be moving.
Why Bm's are picked on I've no idea, that kind of says more about why this happens though.
Why people feel they need to get so defensive behind a wheel is beyond me.
There wouldn't be a queue if everybody arrived at the filter and did 1 in, 1 filter, 1 in, 1 filter etc. Everybody would still be moving.
Why Bm's are picked on I've no idea, that kind of says more about why this happens though.
Why people feel they need to get so defensive behind a wheel is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by steffiraf
I have to say, am one of the most placid people behind the wheel, BUT i really object to being taken the p**s out of. Choose to believe it or not, but thats how it is.
Is one week worse than the other three every month?
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Sorry Steff but if you are placid behind the wheel then you wouldn't believe the píss was being taken out of you.
Is one week worse than the other three every month?
Is one week worse than the other three every month?
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
I bet you stole my idea too
Andy
Andy
Hi Steve
Thank you very much for your comments and information supplied. I will
certainly look into the details. As confirmed to you by Ashley, this
subject has already been included in the consultation process for the next revision of The Highway Code, and I agree that the concept has merit. Zip merging was raised by several members of the public, and each of these comments has been noted. I will note your comments in the same way.
Ultimately, however, the Department for Transport do have the final say on
what information is included in the Code.
Throughout the revision process, the wording for the revised code is determined after full and lengthy consultation with many interested bodies and those with relevant expertise. Each rule is considered and decisions made, taking into account the comments received. The advice in the Code will reflect current best practice in road safety. Those rules denoted by MUST/MUST NOT are legal requirements.
I hope this is helpful to you and thank you again for your comments.
Kind regards
Karen Lees
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Sent: 30 November 2004 09:04
To: karen.lees@dsa.gsi.gov.uk
Subject: Merge In Turn/Zip Merging
Dear Madam,
I have been given your address by Ashley Bateman in the Technical Standards Branch of the Driving Standards Agency.
As you may be aware I have been trying to establish if there is any official
view on "Merging In Turn" but- it now appears that there is not - however I was advised that I should submit comments to you for consideration.
May I direct you to the following thread on a Subaru Impreza bulletin board
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382169 where you will find some comments on the situation from a number of different people. For your interest my username on this board is RJMS - so any posts by this user name are my own. I apologise in advance for some of the posts which do not exactly help the argument - unfortunately this is in the nature of such boards - however I do think that you will find many examples where posts confirm my general feeling that merging in turn would be not only fairer than the present ridiculous situations that sometimes occur but would also reduce congestion and stress/road-rage.
My view also appears to be shared by the IAM http://www.iam.org.uk/Pressroom/News...ve/nr0115.html I am absolutely convinced that if the same prominence was given to this concept as has recently been given to "middle lane hogging" then congestion and stress could be reduced quite significantly relatively quickly. Surely this has got to be worthwhile.
Regards
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One things clear.. ignorant drivers pee us off a touch..
Apart from the pathetic troll & general wind up merchant Lewis, I've not heard a reasoned argument to support lane straddling... It's still an ignorant and futile piece of driving..
Apart from the pathetic troll & general wind up merchant Lewis, I've not heard a reasoned argument to support lane straddling... It's still an ignorant and futile piece of driving..
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Originally Posted by steffiraf
Sorry Al, I beg to differ on this one. One of my pet hates, is to**ers that go down the o/s lane when they were warned a mile back of the lane closure. It irritates me no end, that some tw!t in his 5 series, thinks he has priority over me. Go on the truckers, I say. I do it, in my scoob as well. Cover two lanes so noone can pass on either side. If the rest of us can wait, so can you IMO. Traffic would flow more freely if everyone had some manners
i have seen massive ques when i used to work @ nissan motors and had to travel back across the tyne bridge on the way home, and honestly i have seen people queing for what looked like over 1 mile, shuffleing along at a sedate space, i t makes traffic worse, merge in turn should be at the front, not 1 mile down the road, any numptys doing that deserve to have a red and white scoob rumbleing down the outside and cutting his journey time down by about 30 mins LOL
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Originally Posted by **************
Also signs suggesting zip merging would be an ideal method of getting the message across to all the idiots on the road who don't know how to drive. They seem to need visual prompts to tel them what to do in any situation!
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I've not heard a reasoned argument to support lane straddling... It's still an ignorant and futile piece of driving..
If people are foolish enough to be happy sat in a mile long tailback when there is a lane next to them completely open, thats up to them. Just don't get wound up if some of us would rather make progress