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I am with totaly with Mr lewis, nail on head

pslewis

Well, really, it's like this ..... some days I will feel like driving to the end to filter in if I don't mind a possible road rage incident.

Other days, when I decide it is correct to filter earlier, then I expect everyone else to filter - therefore I straddle both lanes to keep the selfish behind me ......... if someone rammed my car I doubt VERY much there would be witnesses to help them - they would look awfully stupid with a traffic cone up their ****!!

Pete

Alan C

If YOU decide to filter then I should?????? And you call people behind selfish???? Who suddenly made you a driving God???? The most crass statement I've ever heard. I'd rather you just took the pi55 rather than try justify a perverse statement tlike that. So, depending on how you're feeling you'll either driver like and **** or drive like an ****.. that's a pretty clear indictment of your driving then.

Tiggs

do the early mergers stop 300 yards before red lights? slow to 50 2 miles before a slip road?

use the road, i use the outside lane until theres a cone in front of me.

pslewis

That didn't upset you did it diddummms??

I've still got it!!!!!

Pete

ps. and yes, I am big enough and ugly enough to decide who comes past me and whether they do or not - you, sir, will do as I say!!

Alan C

Got what?
The ability to childishly wind people up?
Nothing better to do than sit trolling around SNET destroying perfectly good threads?
No friends?

We've never spoken before and the first thing you do is bait me.. What a nice person.

What you will get is me with this final response to your inane, grasping and attention seeking drivel.

dpb

What a load of guff about nothing.
USE THE AVAILBALE ROAD UNTILL IT RUNS OUT doesnt matter what lane your in - but without the aggression

davegtt

When ever the signs start to say single lane in 800yds you should be getting prepared to move across not overtake as many cars as humanly possibly before jumping into a gap. the warning signs are telling you to be ready in a single lane.....

Pisses me off when I merge at 600yds and see cars go flying to the front, all your doing is slowing the tailbacks down. Keep a steady speed next to lane 1 and merge, NOT jump to the front because when you try to merge when theres a cone there you end up getting lane 1 stopping and starting to let the ignorant prats in.

Foot_Tapper

Lol hurrahhhhh yeay

I think most of us who have done a few miles know who the tw@ts are.
You can see 'em coming a mile off.

I agree with Pete.. in the sense of the drivers who want to just push in front
they annoy me to distraction

I also agree to the other side of the story about merging too early.

The trouble is there are too many tw@ts who will take advantage and laugh at other drivers for being generous and push in as much as they can.
Which is y the lorry driver did what he did.

One thing is clear that the Q in front of the lorry will go quicker wont it ...derrr
because u dont get the ******** driving up to the converging point at 90 mph, braking like mad and shoving in.
After 20 like minded individuals have done this..the whole thing grinds to a halt as the 20 tw@ts try and push themselves in.

Abdabz

I straddled a lane on the M74 the other week to stop folk zipping up the outside to cut in at the very end a truck in front and then one behind then pulled out as moral support and all was well with the world Those incapable of driving ahead being forced to acknowledge that their lane is coming to an end and they really should join the queue rather than push their way in as far up as they can go

It reminds me a a Jasper Carrott sketch from the 80's he told about Ford Sierra drivers who were notorious for doing this...

Like it or not, its a queue of traffic, so when people see you pushing up as far as you can go and then cutting in at the last minute (usually without indicating), its likely to annoy those patient enough to wait in turn...
The highway code may side with the queue jumpers but most drivers wont approve.
These people would hardly do it queuing up at a turnstile for a football match for example, but the metal cage they sit in seems to make it all OK.
Abdabz - who doesnt always straddle lanes, and has a touch of devilsadvocateitus

davegtt

I dont think of it as much as right or wrong according to the laws of the road. More so that its thick and ignorant for people to think they can use the road and get in no problem at the end. As Ive already said and also backed up with Foot Tapper when this happens lane one usually stops and starts creating tailbacks and traffic jams whereas if people just slowed down and merged at sensible speeds nobody would stop and the traffic would flow.

Daft Lad

Yes but the tailbacks wouldn't be there - or at least not to the same extent - if people used both lanes and merged when they had to instead of merging 600 yards before.

Alan C

Nobody disagrees that proper lane discipline will make things better. There's also no denying that certain drivers will push in with no regard or respect for anyone else...

But these prats won't go away, they'll be doing their stuff behind your tailback..

Lane straddling doesn't make it go away, it just puts it behind where you can't see it and where it potentially causes more issues..

davegtt

I see where you get your username from now. Its pretty much impossible for a busy road to merge into single lane traffic without cars in lane one slowing creating reasonable gaps for cars in lane 2 to merge, whatever the outcome there will be tailbacks..... The then tailbacks come to a standstill when a car flys up to the very end of the road and trys to cut in forcing lane one to slam on brakes and before you know it. we have a heavy queue.

davegtt

They wont because the lorry is forcing everyone to merge at roughly the same speed stopping car cut in forcing heavy braking.

Im not saying it cant be done using the whole road but the majority of people who go to the end use it as an open stretch to overtake as many people as possible and CUT IN not Merge.

Alan C

Dave.. I would agree if traffic moved at the same speed as the truck (moving convergence), but it doesn't. It bunches, stops and starts the same as a fixed convergence point.

You also have the same empty lane because the traffic filters to the left behind the truck and leaves it empty, whereby Mr or Mrs prat come up the empty lane again...

The important bit to remember is that now when the fixed convergence point comes up.. you now have TWO lanes full of traffic causing it merge in a much shorter distance rather than one or two cars potentially merging at speed from an empty(ish) lane..

What has been achieved? You've created TWO convergence points and now more traffic has to merge at the fixed point... Is it me or is this not easy to see??

You also have to recognise that once you've gone.. it reverts back to 'normal'.

Daft Lad

I got my username in a sale thanks, it was the cheapest one they had (Good comeback though )

How silly of me, I always assumed tailbacks were caused by everyone filtering into one lane early, thus doubling the amount of cars using a single lane on the carriageway.

Just seems stupid to me why some of you would rather sit in a queue and moan about people using the open available lane to its full extent. OK there are some nobends who will drive right up to the cones and try and force their way in, but FFS its there to be used, you don't have to go right up to the cones before merging but there's no point sitting in a mile long tailback with a wine open lane next to you!

Tiggs

some people are being retarded about this.....no mater where you merge the traffc will slow.....X amount of cars can go down the single lane and Y amount of cars are trying to......all it comes down to is where you want to start queing.

i wonder if these lane straddlers are the same tools that stand back from two checkouts at the garage when paying and wait for the first to be free instead of getting in a que....saddos.

Spoon

Hey Dafty, you won't convince the queue lovers that they are being anything but polite.

Have this.

Daft Lad

Thank you my friend, thats just what I was looking for!

Sport160

The signs around here when we last had significant roadworks read "use both lanes" and then another as you got close to the lane closure that read "merge in turn".

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Thats what I always attempt to do.

However there are people who prefer to sit in one lane and get very upset with everyone that drives past them, or who won't let people merge in turn, thats fine I will go behind them, can't say I'm that bothered about 20ft of tarmac.

Ted Maul

unfortunately when you have people such as steffiraf who has completly failed to understand queue theory, and actually believes that it is quicker if everyone moves into the one lane, then you going to get people like her blocking lanes.

SiDHEaD

I go up the grass when ppl try to take up both lanes.

I would never try to push in at the end tho, with a semi powerful car you can pick gaps nicely.

I love it when there is a lorry behind trying to get as close to me to block people and some of them get past, i make sure i leave a big gap infront and wave them in.

DazW

iTrader: (1)

You have to ask why there's a queue of traffic in one lane in the first place? ...you dont see people joining the longest queue at the checkout/forecourt/cash machine/multi storey!

Alan C

Good point. I'll have to leave that for the people who like queuing.

RJMS

iTrader: (2)

The difference here is that there is no convergence point so no "pushing in" however if people did merge in turn and it was accepted that this would be the ideal way to get through the convergence (which it is incidentally) then it would be worth joining the shortest queue, because both queues would (in theory) be moving at the same speed. I suppose you would still get idiots lane swapping if one queue was moving at a different speed but in theory this should not happen anyway.

Rabid

There is only one answer to this

Advanced driving practice is to zip merge in turn and make use of all the available roadspace. Anyone who believes or does differently is behaving like an idiot.
Works like that everywhere else in the world it's just in the UK with it's small minded queue obsessed idiots where it doesn't.
That's it, end of story.

s-man

Please no!! It's a non-point. As analogies go, thats not one - heres why:

1. theres only one lane open so (using the supermarket theme) that would equate to there being one checkout open.

2. the coned-off lane is, therefore, a closed checkout with a barrier across it, or a petrol pump thats empty - how many people do you see queuing at closed checkouts or wrestling with pump nozzles that are attached to the pump? I'm guessing none, because it would be futile retarded behaviour which would look funny/worrying/embarrassing depending on the observer.

3. If you did choose to queue at a closed checkout you'd never get served - you don't get to join another queue at the head by virtue of making yourself look stupid so you'd be left standing (like a plum) for a very long time which, curiously enough, is what should happen to those people who are at it on the roads.

This isn't a situation where there are other choices available to the people who have formed a queue - they have taken their place in queue for the one remaining open carriageway. What's so difficult to grasp about that?

In the end its all about being reasonable and having a bit of common sense but for many that seems too much to ask these days.

davegtt

lol all these people mentioning merge in turn... please note that, it says merge in turn not overtake as many cars as possible and them merge as late as you possibly can.

Rabid

.....and the merge point should be shortly before the closure. Not a mile down the road with some vigilante brain dead trucker operating a rolling road block.

I suggest people who believe this is acceptable go and do some reading on the subject. Advanced driving practice states you should merge shortly before the closure. Unless of course all the authorities on the subject are wrong.