Someone please explain why Truckers do this!!
16 March 2006, 08:03 PM
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I personally tell my chauffeur to drive around the congestion. Much easier.
I like it when trucks sit out in the lane. You can look over and see the people getting hacked off knowing that they have to try and get it in. I just smile and block all the ****ers off. Best advice is to stop right at the point that it just narrows to one lane. Then that totally ****s everyone right off
I say 'no mercy' to those who just annoy me (whether I'm right or wrong who cares?? 
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Splendid.
I like it when trucks sit out in the lane. You can look over and see the people getting hacked off knowing that they have to try and get it in. I just smile and block all the ****ers off. Best advice is to stop right at the point that it just narrows to one lane. Then that totally ****s everyone right off
I say 'no mercy' to those who just annoy me (whether I'm right or wrong who cares?? )Splendid.
16 March 2006, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hol
Will somebody please think of the Children!!! 
I just thought it was a relavant as 'some' of the posts above.
Did anyone do Physics at school?
Flemings right hand Rule??? Path of least resistance??
Basically,
Society is structure by Rules. In the most part these rues are set by law.
In other cases they are set as guidance.
One persons perception of the rule may differ to someone elses, if the rule itself is not clear.
People will pull in early, if they feel that is the correct thing to do.
Other people will stay in lane and filter, because they feel that is correct.
One thinks the other is pushing in, the other thinks that the first pulling in to early, because they wanted to.
Difference in interpreation of a rule that is not very well documented and highlighted. I don't remember it being part of my Driving Test!
Anyway, why do people pull right accross two lanes at the last minute of a junction??
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16 March 2006, 08:09 PM
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If they had signs (sounds like they do in some areas) that specifically say "start to merge now", no one can argue that anyone else is pushing in.
You cant just say "we should all just merge at the cones", you do need space for the unexpected to happen, a safety zone if you like.
I think the start of the 600yds marker is a perfect place to START the merge in process. Everyone should be merged properly by the time the cones start coming in. How can anyone argue with that.
IF the traffic slows down then the flow from both lanes can creep forward as there is less need for the safety gap / empty lane, and therefore you wont get some rep in his mundano flying down the outside lane because it will be full of cars.
If sheep have direction, they will follow.
Andy
You cant just say "we should all just merge at the cones", you do need space for the unexpected to happen, a safety zone if you like.
I think the start of the 600yds marker is a perfect place to START the merge in process. Everyone should be merged properly by the time the cones start coming in. How can anyone argue with that.
IF the traffic slows down then the flow from both lanes can creep forward as there is less need for the safety gap / empty lane, and therefore you wont get some rep in his mundano flying down the outside lane because it will be full of cars.
If sheep have direction, they will follow.
Andy
16 March 2006, 08:10 PM
#125
Originally Posted by Marky-San
I personally tell my chauffeur to drive around the congestion. Much easier.
I like it when trucks sit out in the lane. You can look over and see the people getting hacked off knowing that they have to try and get it in. I just smile and block all the ****ers off. Best advice is to stop right at the point that it just narrows to one lane. Then that totally ****s everyone right off I say 'no mercy' to those who just annoy me (whether I'm right or wrong who cares?? )
Splendid.
I like it when trucks sit out in the lane. You can look over and see the people getting hacked off knowing that they have to try and get it in. I just smile and block all the ****ers off. Best advice is to stop right at the point that it just narrows to one lane. Then that totally ****s everyone right off
I say 'no mercy' to those who just annoy me (whether I'm right or wrong who cares?? )Splendid.
16 March 2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee_1075
Ok im fighting a lost battle 
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....I see truckers do this all the time in single line traffic and is equally as effective in merging 2 or 3 lane conditions.
Lane straddling make things worse by making two merge points AND ensuring that there's a lot more slower bunched traffic at the fixed point.. You may get through smoothly, but behind is chaos.
16 March 2006, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C
Lee. I understand. But I think it's particularly selfish to hold up a queue of traffic so that you can drive smoothly.. I don't hold a HGV licence, but I am advanced (IAM) and had the privilege of some excellent roadcraft tuition, but surely driving a constant few MPH slower should have the same effect as the gap in front will remain constant?
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I have awnsered the question (The topic name) from my eyes as a trucker. There is no point for me to carry on really as the truck/car drivers will never see eye to eye at the end of the day. I have tryed to explain it from our view and i am sure other truckers will see it in a simular way.
I would really love to see some of thoughts on this after some of the anti-trucker posters here, have driven a truck around for a day or two and got into verious difficult situations. Try it, i too was a car driving lorry hater.
As i posted earlier the trucks and cars all use the same roads, its eaiser together as against another.
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16 March 2006, 10:35 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to get across your side.. it does make sense and I can see the logic.
There's no reason why we can't see eye to eye, but I can appreciate that a few selfish car (and truck) drivers do make compromise difficult.
There's no reason why we can't see eye to eye, but I can appreciate that a few selfish car (and truck) drivers do make compromise difficult.
17 March 2006, 08:59 AM
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The fun will really begin when the automatic speed control of vehicles comes into operation, then both lanes will be doing exactly 70mph and merging will be virtually impossible.
17 March 2006, 10:05 PM
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Finally got an answer from the Highways Agency and I'll be honest, it's not the answer I expected to get. It seems we're all right.
There is no fixed answer, however, for cases where there is more than one lane remaining through the road works the best solution is to start to consider merging as soon as you pass the first lane drop sign. This will reduce any conflict in and around the cone taper area and helps ensure traffic flow is maintained.
For dual carriageways without hard shoulders where only one lane remains open traffic speeds tend to be lower and therefore it will probably be more efficient for drivers to spread merging over a longer distance from the first lane drop sign; some drivers will be more likely to create a space than others. In these situations it is recommended that drivers do not wait until the last moment to try and merge as it will probably lead to increased disruption as well as driver stress.
Some driver's general preference for joining the end of queues rather than try to merge later can lead to long lengths of traffic queuing in a single lane on the approach to works. This does not normally result in any increase in overall time taken to get from the start of a set or road works to the end as capacity is normally limited by restrictions in the works e.g. contra-flow crossovers. There are cases where queuing traffic can affect those leaving or entering at junctions prior to the works. In these cases the HA tries to use 'merge in turn' (or zip merge) signs on the approach to lane drops. This reduces the length of the queue as both lanes are fully used. At low speeds this method is as efficient as any other as vehicles can alternatively merge fairly easily, however, at higher speeds this procedure is less efficient. This is the reason we do not use 'merge in turn' signs at all road works.
For dual carriageways without hard shoulders where only one lane remains open traffic speeds tend to be lower and therefore it will probably be more efficient for drivers to spread merging over a longer distance from the first lane drop sign; some drivers will be more likely to create a space than others. In these situations it is recommended that drivers do not wait until the last moment to try and merge as it will probably lead to increased disruption as well as driver stress.
Some driver's general preference for joining the end of queues rather than try to merge later can lead to long lengths of traffic queuing in a single lane on the approach to works. This does not normally result in any increase in overall time taken to get from the start of a set or road works to the end as capacity is normally limited by restrictions in the works e.g. contra-flow crossovers. There are cases where queuing traffic can affect those leaving or entering at junctions prior to the works. In these cases the HA tries to use 'merge in turn' (or zip merge) signs on the approach to lane drops. This reduces the length of the queue as both lanes are fully used. At low speeds this method is as efficient as any other as vehicles can alternatively merge fairly easily, however, at higher speeds this procedure is less efficient. This is the reason we do not use 'merge in turn' signs at all road works.
17 March 2006, 10:32 PM
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Sounds reasonable to me and answers most questions on here, merging on a dual carriageway into one lane needs forethought and motorists need to merge early to keep traffic moving, so bollocks to the arrogant ***** that think they can zoom down the outside and push in creating a devastating knock on effect for everyone, but BMW drivers will never learn 
17 March 2006, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
They are the kings of the road, didnt you know? 
Not fair to tar them all with the same brush, but there are a fair few that are complete ******, as per the original post.
Unlike minicab drivers, they are ALL complete ******
Not fair to tar them all with the same brush, but there are a fair few that are complete ******, as per the original post.
Unlike minicab drivers, they are ALL complete ******
im a wagon driver an beleive you me there are more dick head car drivers on the road then wagon drivers
please dont put us all in the same catorgary
17 March 2006, 10:49 PM
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As i posted earlier the trucks and cars all use the same roads, its eaiser together as against another.
and as soon as a truck/car drivers stops blocking the lane to be petty i will do the same when do you think that will happen ???? as i dont have any dates handy for when hell will freeze over
18 March 2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NotoriousREV
Finally got an answer from the Highways Agency and I'll be honest, it's not the answer I expected to get. It seems we're all right.
18 March 2006, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
people need to show truck drivers some respect as they do deliver everything we want to eat/drink/want
ohh...how sweet. I'll start making coffee for the bin men and donate a warm scarf to a roadsweeper as well shall i?
If the lane in front is clear, i'm using it. and if some dozy trucker gets in the way just to get to his next greasy spoon stop sooner then he's a muppet.
T
18 March 2006, 11:21 AM
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here are cases where queuing traffic can affect those leaving or entering at junctions prior to the works. In these cases the HA tries to use 'merge in turn' (or zip merge) signs on the approach to lane drops. This reduces the length of the queue as both lanes are fully used.
Makes as much sense as religion.
18 March 2006, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dsmith
Exactly as per my example - which all the retarded "I know best 'cos I drive all day" truck drivers ignore. As for the "logic" that holding traffic up well over a mile from the roadworks is purely to stop being cut up at the last minute - words fail me.
Makes as much sense as religion.
Makes as much sense as religion.
18 March 2006, 07:33 PM
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Errr No (are you a retarded trucker ?). I selected the sentance that matched the specific example I gave (if you read my original post).
The main point is neither the Highway code or Highways agency say "at the first sign of a queue you should immediately do your best to block a lane. If this can be done several miles from the merge point this is a bonus"
basically all traffic should travel at the speed the lane is moving at and merge sensibly. Not act like some retard and block lanes miles from the merge point when you have zero knowledge of the local traffic.
I saw a truck a few months back actually scrape along a people carrier beacuse they wouldnt let the people carrier join a queue from a slip road. All traffic had been happily merging one for one until that truck decided to cause an accident. Last laugh was on him, the people carrier pulled across the entire lane to stop the truck and get insurance details. I should imagine that lane didnt move again for 10 minutes. made a lot of people on the slip road (me included) very happy - we moved much quicker.
The main point is neither the Highway code or Highways agency say "at the first sign of a queue you should immediately do your best to block a lane. If this can be done several miles from the merge point this is a bonus"
basically all traffic should travel at the speed the lane is moving at and merge sensibly. Not act like some retard and block lanes miles from the merge point when you have zero knowledge of the local traffic.
I saw a truck a few months back actually scrape along a people carrier beacuse they wouldnt let the people carrier join a queue from a slip road. All traffic had been happily merging one for one until that truck decided to cause an accident. Last laugh was on him, the people carrier pulled across the entire lane to stop the truck and get insurance details. I should imagine that lane didnt move again for 10 minutes. made a lot of people on the slip road (me included) very happy - we moved much quicker.
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