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29 March 2006, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by fatscoobyfella
Why cant we have the Auzzie rule of immigration...If your skint and have nothing to give to this country,then dont even think of coming here.Sounds fair to me..
Everyone else needs to wake up, smell the coffee and prepare for unemployment
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29 March 2006, 10:45 AM
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Congrats!
What is needed to preserve salaries is some "restriction" on who can be employed to do certain jobs. I'm not talking about discrimination, simply state that a certain qualification is required to do a certain job. Who are amongst the highest average earners in the UK? Doctors, lawyers, accountants. Each profession is tightly regulated by their respective bodies (BMA, Law Society, Institute of Chartered Accountants) and the numbers who can enter the profession are limited.
Do these overseas plumbers have the required qualifications? If they had to take some additional qualifications in the UK to get work then they would charge more to cover the cost and it would help keep rates up. Not so good for the "cheapest-is-best" employer/consumer though. Just a thought.
What is needed to preserve salaries is some "restriction" on who can be employed to do certain jobs. I'm not talking about discrimination, simply state that a certain qualification is required to do a certain job. Who are amongst the highest average earners in the UK? Doctors, lawyers, accountants. Each profession is tightly regulated by their respective bodies (BMA, Law Society, Institute of Chartered Accountants) and the numbers who can enter the profession are limited.
Do these overseas plumbers have the required qualifications? If they had to take some additional qualifications in the UK to get work then they would charge more to cover the cost and it would help keep rates up. Not so good for the "cheapest-is-best" employer/consumer though. Just a thought.
29 March 2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
The US has thrived on selective immigration afterall, hasn't it?
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29 March 2006, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fatscoobyfella
In what industry??
I think that statement is bo**ocks...
I think that statement is bo**ocks...
29 March 2006, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Getting everywhere in this country aren't they?
I live in a sleepy backwater as you can probably tell from some of my posts on here. we have never had a large population of people I dont consider to be English (trying hard to choose my words correctly)
Over the past coulple of years the local oriental population has risen quite sharply, most of them not speaking a word of English.
I am also noticing alot of eastern european accents around and about. This is very strange and not something i've noticed before.
I assume this is a country wide thing, I wonder where it will end?
Gary
I live in a sleepy backwater as you can probably tell from some of my posts on here. we have never had a large population of people I dont consider to be English (trying hard to choose my words correctly)
Over the past coulple of years the local oriental population has risen quite sharply, most of them not speaking a word of English.
I am also noticing alot of eastern european accents around and about. This is very strange and not something i've noticed before.
I assume this is a country wide thing, I wonder where it will end?
Gary
29 March 2006, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Emphasis mine. Yes we do need econmic migrants to fill certain roles, but it needs to be where there are labour shortages not at the expense of the existing worksers.
Long live immigration!
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29 March 2006, 03:04 PM
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I think calling cheep working imigrants skilled is not always accurate, and a way of justifying the lower costs. Working in the shipping industry I have seen first hand how dangerous things have become from employing 2nd and 3rd world (and some G7 nations) officers and crew, because the training and background is just not up to scratch despite a good work ethic.
It's not imigrants hard working perfectly honest people, that are the problem anyway it's the overweight civil service and the overweight people it supports. Get rid of them and we'd be fine.
Think we've got problems, just take a look at the crime in southern spain, almost entirely from people hopping across the water from north africa in the night.
It's not imigrants hard working perfectly honest people, that are the problem anyway it's the overweight civil service and the overweight people it supports. Get rid of them and we'd be fine.
Think we've got problems, just take a look at the crime in southern spain, almost entirely from people hopping across the water from north africa in the night.
29 March 2006, 04:05 PM
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That, and i very much doubt this thread is aimed at aussies/kiwis/yanks that come over here which is a bit hypocritical (granted there aren't many).
The only thing I personally would demand is a good grasp of english and that the pay is equal to that of a native.
Slavery has been abolished and using capitolism as an excuse is not holding any weight with me, may as well pay kids to do everything then as they'll work cheepest of all.
The only thing I personally would demand is a good grasp of english and that the pay is equal to that of a native.
Slavery has been abolished and using capitolism as an excuse is not holding any weight with me, may as well pay kids to do everything then as they'll work cheepest of all.
29 March 2006, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RB5_245
Slavery has been abolished and using capitolism as an excuse is not holding any weight with me, may as well pay kids to do everything then as they'll work cheepest of all.
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29 March 2006, 05:05 PM
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LOL i have been contacted and offered a job. £14.36 P/H. Start on Monday. Oh yes ding, dang, doo!!!!.
May I be the second to offer you congratulations. See good things come to those who wait.
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29 March 2006, 05:14 PM
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The Dutch have recently introduced some very tough immigration measures.
Immigrants now have to be able to speach Dutch to a very high standard, and have to understand that they must fit in with the Dutch culture (have to watch a video with naked birds prancing about etc) - clearly the measures are aimed primarily at reducing muslim immigration.
Other than introducing similar tough measures, we also need to remove the 1/2million+ failed immigrants we have here, and clamp down on all the things they are entitled to when they get here - ie NHS, legal aid etc
Immigrants now have to be able to speach Dutch to a very high standard, and have to understand that they must fit in with the Dutch culture (have to watch a video with naked birds prancing about etc) - clearly the measures are aimed primarily at reducing muslim immigration.
Other than introducing similar tough measures, we also need to remove the 1/2million+ failed immigrants we have here, and clamp down on all the things they are entitled to when they get here - ie NHS, legal aid etc
29 March 2006, 06:48 PM
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Lots of different issues being discussed here.
1) If we are talking about spongers/criminals, kick em out. No holds barred.
2) If you are whingeing about working migrants providing more reasonably priced labour then tough sh1te. I don't see why a builder/plumber should earn more than a teacher/nurse/policeman. It is a semi skilled job at the very most, its about time there was a correction in its value.
This has happened once already when the blacks/asians came over in the 60s/70s. They kept the car industry, transport and lots of other factories running by working for low wages. It helped the country grow.
The problem is english people want to have a BMW and two suuny holidays a year on the basis of a job that requires no education and has no regulation.
If Polish builders/plumbers are that bad, no one will hire them after a while. I suspect that is not the case
1) If we are talking about spongers/criminals, kick em out. No holds barred.
2) If you are whingeing about working migrants providing more reasonably priced labour then tough sh1te. I don't see why a builder/plumber should earn more than a teacher/nurse/policeman. It is a semi skilled job at the very most, its about time there was a correction in its value.
This has happened once already when the blacks/asians came over in the 60s/70s. They kept the car industry, transport and lots of other factories running by working for low wages. It helped the country grow.
The problem is english people want to have a BMW and two suuny holidays a year on the basis of a job that requires no education and has no regulation.
If Polish builders/plumbers are that bad, no one will hire them after a while. I suspect that is not the case
29 March 2006, 06:59 PM
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Plumbing requires no education.... I would like to see you get down and do it. It does take a degree of education and especially in this day and age where its a seriously hard task to become a plumber.
Plumbers are second only to doctors. We prevent diesease, plagues and provide a luxury that most people couldnt do without.
Remember we do the job because no one else wants to and we dont even charge that much. When you get your car fixed how much do they charge and how much do you think it costs them/takes them to repair it?
Plumbers are second only to doctors. We prevent diesease, plagues and provide a luxury that most people couldnt do without.
Remember we do the job because no one else wants to and we dont even charge that much. When you get your car fixed how much do they charge and how much do you think it costs them/takes them to repair it?
29 March 2006, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Lots of different issues being discussed here.
1) If we are talking about spongers/criminals, kick em out. No holds barred.
2) If you are whingeing about working migrants providing more reasonably priced labour then tough sh1te. I don't see why a builder/plumber should earn more than a teacher/nurse/policeman. It is a semi skilled job at the very most, its about time there was a correction in its value.
This has happened once already when the blacks/asians came over in the 60s/70s. They kept the car industry, transport and lots of other factories running by working for low wages. It helped the country grow.
The problem is english people want to have a BMW and two suuny holidays a year on the basis of a job that requires no education and has no regulation.
If Polish builders/plumbers are that bad, no one will hire them after a while. I suspect that is not the case
1) If we are talking about spongers/criminals, kick em out. No holds barred.
2) If you are whingeing about working migrants providing more reasonably priced labour then tough sh1te. I don't see why a builder/plumber should earn more than a teacher/nurse/policeman. It is a semi skilled job at the very most, its about time there was a correction in its value.
This has happened once already when the blacks/asians came over in the 60s/70s. They kept the car industry, transport and lots of other factories running by working for low wages. It helped the country grow.
The problem is english people want to have a BMW and two suuny holidays a year on the basis of a job that requires no education and has no regulation.
If Polish builders/plumbers are that bad, no one will hire them after a while. I suspect that is not the case
All the skilled trades should be treated as such and payed accordingly otherwise the skills will dissapear over time and we'll be left with idiots.
Having a higher education unless in a focused skill is imo a waste of time for folk who don't know what they want to do, and should be regarded as less value than an apprenticeship in skilled labour.
29 March 2006, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
May I be the second to offer you congratulations. See good things come to those who wait.
Maz
Maz
And another interview in the morning.
On another note i must point out i served my time as a heating engineer not a plumber there is a difference.
29 March 2006, 09:46 PM
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29 March 2006, 10:08 PM
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I have to say I have employed 3 polish guys,in a Quarrying industry.I have exhausted all avenues with English guys.The work is hard and we pay the Polish the same (maybe more in the near future)as any person from this country.At least I don't have to listen to excuses about why they haven't turned up for work!
I'm sure in a larger community there are good and bad the same as with british people.If I hadn't gone down the Polish route our business would be suffering due to not enough labour,the average time that new people have lasted in our company is about a month due to the physical nature of the job.
Just my experience for what it's worth.
I'm sure in a larger community there are good and bad the same as with british people.If I hadn't gone down the Polish route our business would be suffering due to not enough labour,the average time that new people have lasted in our company is about a month due to the physical nature of the job.
Just my experience for what it's worth.
29 March 2006, 11:45 PM
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The community of foreign workers who are here want to work, so your only getting grafters not slackers. Which is good for you. Do the english not turn up because the wages do not match the work?.
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30 March 2006, 07:18 AM
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,the average time that new people have lasted in our company is about a month due to the physical nature of the job.
Just my experience for what it's worth.
Just my experience for what it's worth.
I would have thought health and safety would be on to yo by now 
30 March 2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
i need some polish blokes!!!!
how do i go about getting some dodgy polish blokes in?
how do i go about getting some dodgy polish blokes in?
The blokes being discussed here are from Poland, making them Polish (Po-lish)
I think you want guys to polish (poll-ish) cars.
Maybe you want Polish to polish, who knows?
30 March 2006, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
Plumbing requires no education.... I would like to see you get down and do it. It does take a degree of education and especially in this day and age where its a seriously hard task to become a plumber.
Plumbers are second only to doctors. We prevent diesease, plagues and provide a luxury that most people couldnt do without.
Remember we do the job because no one else wants to and we dont even charge that much. When you get your car fixed how much do they charge and how much do you think it costs them/takes them to repair it?
Plumbers are second only to doctors. We prevent diesease, plagues and provide a luxury that most people couldnt do without.
Remember we do the job because no one else wants to and we dont even charge that much. When you get your car fixed how much do they charge and how much do you think it costs them/takes them to repair it?
's from this post Whilst i agree what plumbing requires education it also reuires training nad skill to do properly but not quite to the level of a doctor.
By your logic then cleaners, cooks, bin men, etc are all only bested by doctors.
30 March 2006, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Whilst i agree what plumbing requires education it also reuires training nad skill to do properly but not quite to the level of a doctor.