Deep Singh

Look, I'm not trying to put any kind of workers down. Nor am I saying that only the educated should earn a decent wage. And I'm definatley not trying to say Drs are more important than anyone else.

My point is, in the South East at least, builders/plumbers have commanded huge wages and because they have been in short supply have had it all their way. Its about time we saw some correction in this.

Though I agree it takes some training, it does not require people to spend years in higher education running up debts of £1000s. They are also on the whole not regulated and so can get away with things others can't. Much is 'cash in hand'

To say they deserve an 'anti social' payment because the work is dirty is nonsense. Its no more antisocial than a nurse wiping sh1te from your grannies ****, a policeman facing a gun etc.

People may go on about 'dodgy' Poles but thats not my experience. The price of labour that tradesmen charge needs to come down, if the Poles help in this matter than I'm glad.

RR

How do you know what it requires, i will tell you i had 4 years as an apprentice, and in the last 12 months £2500 in quals. Add to this my 15 years experience i reckon i should be able to earn £24k paye for a Mon to Fri 9-5 week. Heating engineers renew there Acs quals every five years at huge costs. Do bricklayers or Sparks have to be re-tested every 5 years and pay thousands for the privaledge.....no. Also consider the reponsibilty heating engineers have signing off industrial boilers with 6" pipework full of gas that have to be proven to be safe and boilers as well. Boilers in Hotels etc with Hundreds of people staying within, schools full of children 100's of them. Slip up or have a bad day and your going down for multiple man slaughter. Its not all leaking taps and blocked drains.

dean harris

LOL,No questions asked about the bodies please.Health and safety are certainly o.k as we get regular inspection's but they end up in the backfill aswell,ooop's now I've told you
Dean

AllanB

I personally welcome anyone that deprives the poor white thrash scum of our country a living and hoepfully drives them the way of the dodo.

The sooner this social detritus is eleimiated the better. The "I'm white its my country" layabouts should get lost. Nobody has a right to anything, GO AND EARN IT !

Good things happen to those that make them happen.


AllanB

banny sti

iTrader: (68)

Now you are either a devil's advocate poster or in need of some phsychiatric help. Perhaps you have reason for feeling the way you do in which case please share it with us.

Deep Singh

Mate, with your experience and quals £24k is the least you deserve. In London though there are tradesmen on alot more than that doing work that does not require quals. They also mess people around by taking 2/3 jobs at the same time. They also do quite a lot of cash in hand work, so £35k cash jobs is the quivalent £50k taxed. Thats too much imho

RR

I agree but we cant generalise. Slashing our wages across the board is not the answer. Reporting these people to the tax man is.

AudiLover

I dont understand how men from poland can come over and start working as plumbers. How do they prove that they are competent with their work.

KiwiGTI

They don't, or they falsify. Just like some Doctors/Dentists etc from South Asia and the Middle East.

AudiLover

Why do people hire them then if they can barely talk english and havent got the propper skills.

Brendan Hughes

jasey

Yeah - whatever.

You need to abolish the welfare state before hoping the scum will stop breeding. There's no sign of that - so be prepared for a lot more trash in the future (White & non-white)!

It pays to be scum nowadays - hard working ordinary folk are what is going to become extinct if we carry on the current course !

Luan Pra bang

Generally the polish plumbers are highly skilled and they get work based on reputation. Remember in Poland in order to keep a job you have to be significanlty better than the thirty people behind you who want to steal it from you. Thats why they are so used to working hard and always try to do the best job they can.

RR

I have seen there work and i would say the opposite. But i would not take individual cases and base my sole opinion on them.

AllanB

Come and live in Enfield. Full of towny scum. Either scrawny or fat wearing sports wear which is laughable as the nearest thing to excercise they get is maybe a pub fight.

Bring on some diversity as the more cultures we embrace the better prepared we are the the changes that are going to happen.

Bottom line is if you work hard and treat peole with repsect and can give something to society then people should be welcome. Its survival of the fittest.


AllanB

swtmerce

Couldn't agree more! I was in 'salubrious' Harlow town centre today. Just disgusted!!!! Low life white trash scum hanging around outside the pub p*ssed at lunchtime, smoking their cigs, doing nothing with their insignificant lives! I was in the bank at one point and saw a chav mother answer her phone with 'no I'm not in the f*cking pub'!!! Arrrrgh what's wrong with this country!

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

what a pile of ****e, so now your saying because people make good wages on the buildings they dont deserve good wages as they havent had a college education **** me now you are talkin some communist ****e and from other posts you have said you were right wing !! i dont know what your job is but maybe some foreign worker should take over your job. as you clearly have an issue with tradesmen making a good wage

Luan Pra bang

we have a free market economy so why shouldn't people pay a Polish builder to do a job that an English builder would charge double the amount for ?

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

i have no issue on a polish worker doing my job or anyone else's job, just tossers like above who say people charge too much an therefore we need foreign labour

AudiLover

Im a college educated plumber.

Why do the polish men come here and not go germany instead. Also about polish plumbers being highly skilled thats rubbish because in different countries we have different regualtions, ways and equipment with what and how we do things. Its not all bending copper pipes and soldering there are generally some technical parts to the job aswell, and if you dont know about them or havent been taught them the polish plumbers will skip that. Plumbers need to get regulated I say.

Petem95

Im surprised so many on here seem to have an issue with Polish workers.

They have a deserved reputation for being extremely hard working, especially in the construction trade.

They tend to work here, and send the money home to their families - and they fit in well with UK citizens from what I can see.

I bet an extremely low proportion of the Poles living in the UK claim benefits.

Its the immigrants who come here, do **** all and claim benefits, bring their families over and dont intergrate into society, in some cases not even bothering to learn the language, who are the real problem.

jasey

In Enfield (by the sounds of it) it pays to be scum and have as many illegitimate children by the time you reach your 15th birthday. That way you will survive.

Meanwhile the hard working youngsters who have managed to get an apprentiship / work experience find themselves having to compete with people willing to get paid £5.00 an hour and work 100 hours a week because employers like Luan are willing to employ slaves.

You honestly believe this will end up with more hard working trash do you ?

Deep Singh

I think you need to calm down and actually read my posts. As you obviously haven't bothered its no point me answering you at length. I will point out though you obviously have no idea of what communism is.

ps please don't call me a tosser, I wouldn't talk to you like that just because I disagreed with your opinion

jasey

Do Deep - how are all the consultants going to be able to afford their Porsches when the Government replaces them with Polish Consultants who only need £40k - rather than the £120k home grown ones are used to.

Oh and the Poles will work 100% for the NHS rather than their homers in the private sector

Luan Pra bang

If you have no skills why should you not get paid minimum wage ? If you have no skills and earn min wage why not work 100 hours a week and get a decent salary. Do you really think a business could afford to pay more than that. In a few years min wage has gone from nothing to 5.35 per hour. In labour intensive industries like restaurants and hotels that is a massive problem. Thats why 39 thousand jobs were lost in the catering industry in the first 6 months of 2005.

jasey

You'd have to tell us how much money you make off the back of paying minimum wage - my guess is it's a decent enough living .

As I said - it's up to you if you want to employ slaves - so long as you're happy and making enough money off them why should you worry about anything else - I wouldn't either .

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em....They can have this wet, dingy, cold scum infested ****ehole.

Those with the money (and therefore pay INTO the system) can jet off to a more pleasent country. Leaving Mr Brown with a shortfall in Tax earnings to pay the spongers (being English spongers or other)



Me being a hypocrit, in some non-UK countrys, you cannot move for the swarms of dopey English immigrants getting in the way :

Luan Pra bang

Every one gets paid the salary the job deserves whatever country you are from an I don't draw a large salary its not about money its about building up the business as much as possible and creating something that earns some plaudits and respect. Its about delivering quality to customers and being proud of what you achieve and building on the foundations laid before you. The salary I get is the minimum to get by. Money on its own is never enough motivation to do a good job and I think most people agree.

Deep Singh

To some extent that has happened already Jasey. Lots of surgeons shipped over from Europe to crack through the NHS work being done in private hospitals. This was done because surgeons here would obviously want more money. 'We' ( I'm not a surgeon) all whinged a little, then accepted it.

You may have caught the ?Panorama prog about them a couple of weeks ago. Many botched ops by these 'foreign' surgeons. Their opinion NOT mine.

Cheers

AudiLover

Its funny that the same people who complain about Arsenal not having enough english players are the ame people who hire Polish workers instead of training homegrown talent to do the job so they can line their own pockets.