ben44

Tuts, LOLER regs state how lifting equipment should be maintained, tested and used. Pauls weight trolley by definition falls into this catagory. He has said himself that its tested yearly not 6 month like required. A lifting point MUST be clearly marked and tagged as such. This is to eleviate people just turning up and lifting off of anything. A rusty old hand rail isn't included.

Should one of Pauls lines break, (it is a possibility and has occured) then the shock load applied to the anchor points is tremendous. They may withstand the weight of a person, but should that persons weight be increasd by a shock load, then the chances of failure are greatly increased.

Also should Paul get into trouble wilst working and require rescueing, a second person would be needed to go down and retrieve him. During a rescue the chance of a shock load is alot higher. 2 people shock loading these untested points is a chance to much, as deemed by all the lifting experts and as such, has been made law.

Although throughout this thread I haven't said his weight anchor is unsafe. I have pulled him up on how often it is tested though

The frames I use has alot more weight applied to it and doesn't require it to be leaned against a wall. It has also passed all type approval tests and has been given an EN rating. As for the one Paul uses, ask him to look on it for an EN marking.... If its the one I'm thinking of (a tallish yellow frame, with wheels that have minimum ground clearence and an adjustable hieght loop) then it hasn't been type approved. I have not used one so can't comment on it being safe or not, but an insurrance claim would be none existant if one of these was involved.

ben44

I seem to be replying at the same time as your asking questions

Think most of them are covered in my last post though

logiclee

Yep and that also includes suspension and safety gear such as shackles and harness. We have ours tested at 6 months and replaced at 12 months.
The HSE will always ask to see every cetificate and test fom manufacture to current date.

Cheers
Lee

paulg1979

iTrader: (1)

Here we go. Why am I not surprised Ben. Trying to think of as many things as possible. Just give in. I think you are struggling a little. Your not convincing me that i'm wrong. Dead weight trolleys are a dead weight so forces are not an issue. There would be no chance of pulling a dead weight trolley and them points off the roof. You stick to your A frame. I hope you back up and not just rely on the A frame to save you? I've seen cowboys who think its tested it'll be ok. You can not trust any equipment. The dead weights have eyebolts with tags and are not illegal. Our harnesses are checked 3 monthly but are not replaced every year unless damage is visible. I take it you do not carry a rescue genie with you at all times?

ben44

I give up, you've the attitude of a kid. Wont listen to what anyone says. Most of the posts on here could HELP you.

As for you seeing cowboys... F**k, they must be dangerous.

You wern't looking in a mirror by anychance?

paulg1979

iTrader: (1)

Don't talk crap. Why should I listen to anyone on here if i'm right. Theres not one thing you have told me that could improve or make me safer. Most posts are on my side. Check how many people are actually agreeing with you. Ermmmmmmm!! Maybe 2. The only thing I see when I look in the mirror is a beautiful looking young man ready to start a successfull and safe business. What do you see when you look in the mirror. A bored man who has nothing better to do than criticise people who are doing no wrong. I'm sure if you earned more money you wouldn't be so annoying a making crap up. Moneys an amazing thing. Thats definately what bothered you when I posted that I earned £300.

ben44

Right O You know best

mcflurrie

sod that, the pics made my stomach turn...im not good with heights!

*and now quietly leaves this thread before WW3 breaks out*

lpski1

^^ TROLL

brihoppy

ive been watching this thread with interest...

im no expert on the regs regarding this industry but i do have a bit of experience with ropes...i was wondering how a 'shock' load is applied to a static line when abseiling...?! ropes dont just snap anyway...most accidents occur because of equipment being used incorrectly afaik...

the whole tone of this thread does seem like someones just trying to **** on someone elses chips...

all imho of course...

Tuts

Thanks for the reply Ben.

I'm not going to take sides in this as I don't know enough about it. Its just from the outside all you could see was Ben saying you are braking the regs but not explaining how when Paul was stating how he was within regs. At least you have now explained what you think is wrong Ben.

So on the one hand you have Paul saying how he is doing things correctly and on the other Ben saying how he isn't!!

I'm not in a positin to argue either case so I'll leave you to it, nice pics though Paul.

legb4rsk

paulg1979 ,quote 'Why should I listen to anyone on here if i'm right.'

Probably the most dangerous statement in this 'discussion'

Anyone who believes they know everything about any subject has a lot to learn.

ben44

You'd be correct, miss use or unexpected situations will cause a shockload. The ropes used are semi static, ie they have 5% stretch. I've been working when a welder has drop weld 'splats' on my rope and its burnt through half of it. No problem other than me getting a bit upset I've also seen people take pretty large swings, as the rope runs across a edge, it gets cut.

Check out IRATA's website, there's cases of ropes getting cut by loads of other means.

As with the pissing on thread.. I struggle because of the way some work without regard for the correct way of doing things. A finished building will allow some to take liberty's. That rep gets passed on to us. We have to provide and do everything correctly. We also have to deal with the negative attitude aimed at us.

Sorry if you think I'm out of order, but this type of thing is just rubbing my nose in how people break the laws I try to uphold to protect my workers, public and my livelyhood.

If I'm wrong for that, then so be it.

mitchster26

Well said Paul tell ben no it all, NOT! to f**k of and get life

ben44

I take it you work with him then

I don't know 'it all', but it seems I know a bit more than Paul

mitchster26

You've never met a better abseiler

ben44

So it would seem....

Cheers for your informative input

Bubba po

Jesus. Presumably he's been doing this for ages and has been checked out by various responsible agencies. Why not get off his case and let him earn his brass for a trade that takes a lot of bottle.

bootsy

just what i was thinking

Chip Sengravy

you dropped this -> ?

Chip Sengravy

I hope it didn't land on anyones head, in a non-cordoned area

ben44

Can't win here, some muppet is fooking my job up, and the rest of the muppets steam in

[flame suit ready and waiting ]

lpski1

^^^ sad OLD TROLL

Bubba po

Rhetorical question.

ben44

Pot and kettle springs to mind.....

Bubba po

My mate's a commercial window cleaner and he earns a couple of hundred a day just for walking about on his feet and occasionally using a pointer and a ladder.

lpski1

have i followed paul around getting on his back about laws and regulation repeatedly, i dont beleive so. so no kettle thanks.

I was here from page 1

you'll now be known as the HSE troll

Chip

Paul,

Did you think about that statement before posting it.

Chip

Chip

You still using that dating agency then

Chip

Spoon

Chip, I realised it was never going to happen as people just don't use them, so I joined a dating agency instead.