This is my job!!
18 April 2006, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Dont you read, I don't know what's used on roofs as I dont work from them.
Lifting equipment I use is a lot more substantial than anything Paul would ever use and I can assure it's adequate for the job.
Chip
Lifting equipment I use is a lot more substantial than anything Paul would ever use and I can assure it's adequate for the job.
Chip
It would have been easier for you to say you have no fúcking knowledge of this application at all.
18 April 2006, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by moneys
241 posts and he still wont tell you what he does or how he does it ffs paul f*ck him off mate
If Paul wishes to pay me a consultancy fee, I would tell him how to run a business. Why would I give my knowledge away for free? I believe I've given him a fair few pointers on laws he needs to brush up on.
Its only in the last couple he asked what I did.
18 April 2006, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
You said you had no knowledge of hanging from a building, not anchor points, which you are now saying.
It would have been easier for you to say you have no fúcking knowledge of this application at all.
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18 April 2006, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
So when you hang from a building WTF do you think the ropes are anchored to then.
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Spoon,
I clearly stated In knew nothing about hanging from buildings but I do know that proper tested anchor points are what I would use. If youve ever seen a failure of lifting equipment ( which believe me I have) you would know why.
I clearly stated In knew nothing about hanging from buildings but I do know that proper tested anchor points are what I would use. If youve ever seen a failure of lifting equipment ( which believe me I have) you would know why.
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If were talking about the legal requirements regarding lifting I clearly do have knowledge unlike yourself.
18 April 2006, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by paulg1979
I refuse to use cradles as I don't know who maintains them.
18 April 2006, 11:56 PM
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Off to bed at 9.33pm ... are you a pensioner?!!!
TX.
TX.
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I'm off to bed now guys. Girlfriends getting the hump and wondering why I should be explaining myself. I will check all posts tomorrow afternoon for an update.
19 April 2006, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
If we were talking about the legal requirement then yes, you might have the knowledge, but we weren't so it's not relevant.
As for anchor points that could mean anything. It doesnt have to be an eyebolt, in fact we always use something a lot more substantial than an eyebolt.
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19 April 2006, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Have you read the previous posts or not where LOLER was discussed.
Originally Posted by Chip
As for anchor points that could mean anything. It doesnt have to be an eyebolt, in fact we always use something a lot more substantial than an eyebolt.
19 April 2006, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ben44
Eh? Re-read the thread. I clearly state we're not involved in the cleaning of the window's, we install them!
But it is true that you then you come back to clean them is it not Ben ?
19 April 2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Chip, I've read every post thanks. What I asked of Ben had nothing to do with LOLER regs, that is *my* point. As you appeared to agree with Ben on the right or wrong way to anchor, you too were asked how you'd do it, not how regulations dictate you do it.
But you knew nothing about these remember!!
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19 April 2006, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
Here's a question for everyone, I know its not in the same ilk but please bear with me...
How many people have been rock climbing?
Out of those how many of you do it on a regular basis?
Ok, so now I guess we're down to a very small number.
So, you're dangling off the side of a crag, 40 - 60 metres up, and you're trying to put your next peice of protection in (thats the thing that stops you falling all the way to the bottom, you only fall as far as your last peice).
As you're quite high (and rather unfit
) your hands are knackered and you slip, falling about 6 - 8 feet.
What happens then is your last peice of protection hasn't been tested by HSE less than 6 months ago, and it contravenes LOLER regs (WTF?) so you pull it out. And the next one, coz guess what, as its only been there 5 mins HSE haven't got round to it yet. And the next one (only been there about 7 mins) and so on all the way down with a dink at each peice. You fall on poor old Mr Bloggs who happens to be out walking with his mrs, 2.4 kids and his retreiver.
Damn those HSE types eh?
What my point is is that the anchors in these pictures look bomb proof to me, I'd love some anchors like that when I'm hanging off a cliff by my little fingernail!!!
And the other thing is, the guy says he's coned the street off, and as far as I could see all his equipment was attached to him.
Whatever you do in life you run the risk of having (causing?) an accident, thats the very nature of accidents.
Its a very sad day when a guy who enjoys his work can't post up a couple of pictures of his job on here without the HSE coming to play.
FFS.
(Just my opinions by the way, this is not an opinion of scoobynet or any of its moderators or affiliates)
How many people have been rock climbing?
Out of those how many of you do it on a regular basis?
Ok, so now I guess we're down to a very small number.
So, you're dangling off the side of a crag, 40 - 60 metres up, and you're trying to put your next peice of protection in (thats the thing that stops you falling all the way to the bottom, you only fall as far as your last peice).
As you're quite high (and rather unfit
) your hands are knackered and you slip, falling about 6 - 8 feet. What happens then is your last peice of protection hasn't been tested by HSE less than 6 months ago, and it contravenes LOLER regs (WTF?) so you pull it out. And the next one, coz guess what, as its only been there 5 mins HSE haven't got round to it yet. And the next one (only been there about 7 mins) and so on all the way down with a dink at each peice. You fall on poor old Mr Bloggs who happens to be out walking with his mrs, 2.4 kids and his retreiver.
Damn those HSE types eh?
What my point is is that the anchors in these pictures look bomb proof to me, I'd love some anchors like that when I'm hanging off a cliff by my little fingernail!!!
And the other thing is, the guy says he's coned the street off, and as far as I could see all his equipment was attached to him.
Whatever you do in life you run the risk of having (causing?) an accident, thats the very nature of accidents.
Its a very sad day when a guy who enjoys his work can't post up a couple of pictures of his job on here without the HSE coming to play.
FFS.
(Just my opinions by the way, this is not an opinion of scoobynet or any of its moderators or affiliates)
19 April 2006, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchster26
Well said, the rest of them putting down paulg1979 haven't got a clue
About the Law, yes.
Cheers
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19 April 2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchster26
It's easy to put paulg1979 down without meeting him 
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19 April 2006, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Uhh? Whether he's a nice guy or not doesnt make any difference.
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19 April 2006, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
Not strictly true chip. Whenever someone dies in an industrial accident, it's a knocking bet that the conversationas in the cabin in the following few days will be along the lines of..." shame, he was a nice guy, an'all "
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19 April 2006, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by slagmagnet69
But it is true that you then you come back to clean them is it not Ben ?
Originally Posted by mitchester26
But if you met him would you call him names, like ben44 has done, there are nasty people about
I think Paul has had it explained to him by several people other than me, that he is breaking a fair few laws. He is obviously still going to tell some nieve building managers that what he's doing is correct. (Their passing his method statements FFS) If anything does happen, the people he has pulled the wool over their eyes will be stood next to him in court, or worse still, in court because he's not about.
I agree that the building managers should also know more, but as Paul now does, the responsability is now on him to act accordingly.
Or not, as I imagine his next post will say....
20 April 2006, 11:00 AM
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Ben you have to admit you are a bit strange. All you talk about is breaking all the Laws. You are not even an abseiler. Looking at some of the pictures doing rope changes 10 floors up is pretty dangerous to you I suppose. Take another look maybe 3 and 4 points isn't safe enough for you. Nope its called rope access. Your like a broken record. Right here are the laws I have broke on one job.
1. Not wearing helmet. (obviously we normally do as you can see from the other pics)
Thats it. We have the area cordened off and rigging is more than safe and using equipment that is tested.
I think you just upset because your wages are pretty average and the only way you can make yourself feel better is trying to make me look like i'm useless!!
I know i'm safe and you know I am too but if you go back on your argument you're going to look a little bit small.
I wonder if you'll ever get over it and admit to yourself that we are excellent abseilers and are really good at our jobs and are liked by our clients.
If you want to earn more money you don't have to cut corners, just employ better workers who know the best and most efficient way of working. It takes a while to find workers like this but you could be lucky!
1. Not wearing helmet. (obviously we normally do as you can see from the other pics)
Thats it. We have the area cordened off and rigging is more than safe and using equipment that is tested.
I think you just upset because your wages are pretty average and the only way you can make yourself feel better is trying to make me look like i'm useless!!
I know i'm safe and you know I am too but if you go back on your argument you're going to look a little bit small.
I wonder if you'll ever get over it and admit to yourself that we are excellent abseilers and are really good at our jobs and are liked by our clients.
If you want to earn more money you don't have to cut corners, just employ better workers who know the best and most efficient way of working. It takes a while to find workers like this but you could be lucky!
20 April 2006, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
Not strictly true chip. Whenever someone dies in an industrial accident, it's a knocking bet that the conversationas in the cabin in the following few days will be along the lines of..." shame, he was a nice guy, an'all "
Originally Posted by Chip
Way I see it is whether he's OK or not I would give the same advice to him when safety is concerned though I know what you mean.
You need to lighten up Chip, if possible. That's in the GSOH regs.
20 April 2006, 12:27 PM
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Wow wasn't expecting this to take me so long to read.
Ok, I don't know a huge amount about this industry but I know some general stuff.
Question for Ben though. Paul says his dead weight trolley is tested, approved, visually checked and certified for use in this application. He also states that the other anchors are additional ones, not primary ones.
You state that you would use an appropriate frame instead.
Can you explain why? Is the trolley actually illegal or usafe? Surely if it was, it wouldn't have been certified and approved.
Can you explain why using a trolley is unsafe, because if you can't then I suggest you don't know enough about 'your' industry, as knowing why something is unsafe is just as important as knowing why something is safe.
I'm not try to take sides but all I can see from this is one person saying you're ****, you're **** and not actually explaining why the other person is breaking any rules.
Ok, I don't know a huge amount about this industry but I know some general stuff.
Question for Ben though. Paul says his dead weight trolley is tested, approved, visually checked and certified for use in this application. He also states that the other anchors are additional ones, not primary ones.
You state that you would use an appropriate frame instead.
Can you explain why? Is the trolley actually illegal or usafe? Surely if it was, it wouldn't have been certified and approved.
Can you explain why using a trolley is unsafe, because if you can't then I suggest you don't know enough about 'your' industry, as knowing why something is unsafe is just as important as knowing why something is safe.
I'm not try to take sides but all I can see from this is one person saying you're ****, you're **** and not actually explaining why the other person is breaking any rules.
20 April 2006, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by paulg1979
Ben you have to admit you are a bit strange. All you talk about is breaking all the Laws. You are not even an abseiler.
Originally Posted by paulg1979
I think you just upset because your wages are pretty average and the only way you can make yourself feel better is trying to make me look like i'm useless!!
As for other laws broken, lets see....
All the LOLER regs I can think of. IRATA state you need 2 anchor points to rig off, I can tell your not sure about your anchor points as you have doubled up to 4 points. Only someone that had in their mind that the points wern't satisfactory would do such a thing.
You keep asking me what laws your breaking and then denying them. I'm only repeating myself to aid you. Hopefully if people like you start working correctly, then our industry gets a better name and my life becomes a bit easier.
Oh, and lifting equipment (like a weight trolley) should be tested every 6 months, not yearly