stilover

Well said

Johnny E

I took our dog the park last month on its lead and a staff off its lead started to run at us and its owner shouting dont worry he's ok.I had to my dog up so this staff could not get at him and it wanted to.Needless to say that the owner got a dig of me.IMO dogs should be kept on there leads at all times if not, fine the ******.

Suresh

Excellent post!
We were walking in the woods near our house and someone's filthy mutt came bounding up and barking towards us and our little boy in his pushchair. The female owner was closely behind shouting the same predictable "don't worry he doesn't bite" crap. I indicated that I would rip her throat out if it did.

Nobody wants to hear about how tame your little companion usually is. Just keep the ******* thing on a leash!

Suresh

Abdabz

Spot on. The post starter is clearly void of knowledge and retardedly keen to try and stereotype something he knows nothing about... thus trolling with success
What a plonker... I have owned two staffies, neither liked other dogs (as is the breeds trait) but neither ever harmed anything ever. A breed widely known for its fantastic interaction with humans (especially children)...

Alas over breeding has made them more accessible for the masses, hence a tiny proportion may be seen being walked by a chap wearing trainers with short hair (which means theyre all owned by pykees and chavs )...

Dumbass

Michaela

I grew up with a staff- one of the nicest dogs a family could have.

PG

Assumption..the mother of all **** ups !

As I stated earlier in the thread (you may have missed it whilst thinking u all the insults to throw at me) it is the fact that those that commit these types of crimes more often than not will want the 'hard' dog of the time. In this instance it is the Staffie. Had it been 10 years ago it would be the Rottie that would have been first to jump to mind and indeed prior to then the Pit Bull. Thus it is more that element of society I am reffering to as opposed to the dog. As Tiggs said: Take 1000 skin headed, tatoo'e scum bags.....

That said.....

I know more about dog breeding / showing / training than you clearly think I do I perhaps don't know the specifics of the Staffie breed but I do have practical experience of literally hundreds of Staffies I have come across at shows, classes and agility. What I am saying is that compared to the hundreds of dogs of other breeds out there of the thousands of dogs I have been in contact with the Staffie has proved itself to be the most unpredictably behaved breed time and time again.

Yours retardedly

Paul.

2000TLondon

But the point is, the breed as standard is a gentle, caring dog with children and family, but a dog that can be aggressive with other dogs. I had to kick a staff off of my Golden Retriever several times, although my dog liked a tear up too, but I realise that that doesn't make the staff, or my retriever, aggressive or unpredictable. In fact, the staff is very predictable because you know he will go for another dog, most likely.

It has to be stated clearly that idiot chavs, irresponsible wannabes, and half arsed drug dealers shouldn't be allowed any dog, and then there wouldn't be any issues.

I think there should be a test before you can own a dog, and all dog owners should be licensed and trackable. Solve a lot of cruelty and degradation to breeds.

I also think there should be a test for expectant parents, but that's a different story!

stilover

Dogs need to run around. It's cruel to keep a dog perminetly on the lead. Obviously in town, then yes, for it's own safety (roads) then keep it on the lead, but in parks, field etc, then they need to run around chasing sticks.

Just cos the owner of the Staffie had no control over their dog, don't tarnish every Staffie owner with the same stick. MY Staffie would not have/will not run at/to another dog, simply because I'd tell him not to.

"Training" is the key word. Just so happens that as a dog owner, I took training my dog very seriously, and trained him well. Plus when my Staffie has met other dogs, he's never gone for the other dog. Again, you see one or two staffies go for other dog, and you tarn the whole breed with the same brush.

Luan Pra bang

Never come across a springer spaniel then. Staffs are much easier to train than
all spaniels and a whole host of other dogs so I suggest you are talking bollocks.

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

Not at all Clare, and I'm so glad I don't live near there anymore Sadly the place has gone down hill big time, use to be a great place to meet people I remember when the doughnut diner opened on Shephed's Bush green was really strange having strong coffee and a doughnut for breakfast but the market use to be a great place.
Cheers
Colin

Chris L

No such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners.

Staffies were actually used by the Victorians as child minders. They were noted for their good nature and absolute loyalty to their owners. Having owned a Staffie and been around various other Staffies for years, it makes me so sad reading stories like this as it just reinforces the ridiculous stereotype image.

island991

it makes me chuckle when people post. "we have a staffie and its soft, never been any trouble and it was a family dog"......yes but it was YOUR dog. of course if obeys you and is lovely to YOUR family, your in its 'pack'. But if it gets loose or is off the lead and to far to command a staffie CAN (not will but can) be a visious animal.

No matter how well trained, it only needs to 'lose it' once and it can be lethal.
That said i am of the believe already stated that it mostly comes down to handling

Chris L

Which is my point - it's the owner not the dog that is at fault. On that basis any dog can 'lose it'. Why single out the Staffie?

In the last 50 years breeds that have been involved in fatal assults on humans in the UK include the West Highland White Terrier, Golden Retriever and 'Jack Russell'.

Breed-based restrictions are not the answer

Diablo

Agreed mate, and dogs need to socialise with other dogs.

It makes me cringe when I see people lifting small dogs up - all that does is give them a superiority complex and in many cases turns them into nasty little *******s with other dogs.

In built up areas our dogs are on a leash for theor own safety. Where it is expected and safe to do so they get to run free and they get to meet other dogs. Our boy can be a bit of an idiot with dominant males, so he's on a 30 foot extending lead for a lot of the time.

Our bitch is incredibly social with other dogs, however she always approaches with care.

Letting dogs meet and greet is the only way they learn, but of course they won't always get on.

We meet a few staffies along the way, and they all get on. As a breed, however, they can be more unpredictable with other dogs than the "bombproof" breeds like spaniels, golden retrievers, etc.

In many years of having dogs, the most unpredictable breeds without question are the smaller terriers with jack russells and yorkshire terriers being the worst.

Which brings me to post this (its probably a sial, but wgaf ), at the risk of offending at least one of the posters on this thread

Diablo

I'd suggest you are confusing the point of "unpredictable" with "untrained"

An untrained spaniel (for example) will behave in a completely predictible manner. A well trained dog of another breed may well return to heel and sit neatly by its owners side after it has had a bit of a "issue" with another dog.

WRX-NZ

Big Deal

I was going to go into bat for the Staff, but you just seem to be the sort who can't be reasoned with, because your so experienced with dogs. The stats don't back up your claim in any way, shape, or form.

In my experience the most unpredictably behaved breed is the Bichon Frise

CrisPDuk

If your only experience of them is from dog shows I would say it is slightly coloured. In my experience dogs bred for showing are generally not truly representative of their respective breed. They are usually inbred time and again in an attempt to achieve an abitrary 'ideal' standard set by some committee or other.

Back on topic though, and I would have to say my initial thoughts before reading the article would have been:

1: Staffie.
2: Black 'owners'.
3: Drug related, and definitely NOT random.

Diablo

They do statistics about unpredictability

WRX-NZ

No, but by researching and comparing different types of stats, and behaviour monitoring it is possible to guage a breeds predictability or unpredictability.

An example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog.
The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards.

Suresh

Indeed - put a dog of any breed alone in a room with a small child and it won't matter how well-trained the beast is thought to be - after a period of time bits of the kid will be missing.

Flatcapdriver

I slightly disagree with you regarding owners picking up smaller breeds or putting their dogs (women are particularly guilty of this) on leads as soon as another dog approaches. What this does, is to introduce the human's fears which are then projected to the dog, which ultimately reacts to this 'fright' stimulus by acting aggressively. It's more of an inferiority complex than a superiority issue which is sometimes demonstrated by male dogs mounting other dogs - nothing to do with homosexual tendencies but in the dog world an excellent way of establishing dominance.

mcflurrie

OMG !!

*rushes round to check my 62 year old mum hasnt turned into a skinhead or a brown person overnight*

phew...no she hasnt lol

Not all people are into staffy ownership for the 'image', agreed though, there seems to be a hell of alot of the breed falling into the wrong hands. My mums staffy was attacked by a lab x the other day in the park, good job i wasn't there as the owner wasn't fussed at all about it , my mums staff was quite shaken up, but luckily she had been quick enough to whip round and snap at the other dog, who then scarpered...like its already been mentioned, its rare that the staffy will be the instigator(sp) of a fight.

My two bitches I have at home just get a bit overfriendly with other dogs, lots of jumping around and paws everywhere (i have them both on nylon harnesses) but so far *touches wood* they have been as good as gold

Diablo

Can work both ways, I suspect. Agree with you on the lead point, for sure.

Female dogs will dominate by mounting also.

Diablo

Your posts get more and more ridiculous Suresh.


Might just be better just saying "I'm afraid of dogs and don't understand them"

SJ_Skyline

You don't see cat owners attacking people with cleavers!

bigsinky

yeah they are like ar$eholes.....everyone's got one

mcflurrie

I would say staffies have got to be one of the most trusted with children of all the breeds, a friend of mine had to have her lab put down due to him attacking 2 children, so even these 'family' breeds have their downfalls every once and a while

bigsinky

any dog will be nasty in the wrong hands. i have owned 3 "standard" poodles, one being 27" at the shoulder. looked like a small horse, really quiet and soft as $hite. would have licked a burgular to death. great dog, who died too young (9 years) to cancer.

Luan Pra bang

I have a staffy and a springer. The staffy is easier to train and more predictable than the spaniel which is menal 99 percent of the time. It was also the spaniel that killed our other dog never had a problem with the staff.

Little Miss WRX

I've got a Staffie cross and disciplined it from the word go. It likes to have a play every now and then but if it gets overly playful, it knows the command to back down.
It can look an evil little mutt at times, but I would bet it's life that it is softer than my ex Cocker Spaniel.
Loyal as anything and kids have happily played with it and it hasn't so much as even attempted to mouth, let alone bite one when it's poor ears were being pulled!