honda civic type-r (ek3)
27 April 2006, 05:00 PM
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i watche this other vid with a ctr supercharged and evo. the evo made up alot of time on corners. catching up with the civic and over taking him. then when it come to a straight the ctr flew past. definitly on a twist b road the ctr would loose out. maybe i should think about this deeper. i think i might go and test drive there car they tuned up to get a better view on this. i would definitly love to own a r34 gtr in blue.
anyway. when i have got the money i will see what happens then. thanks for the info lads. i see what you were trying to say now.
paul g
anyway. when i have got the money i will see what happens then. thanks for the info lads. i see what you were trying to say now.
paul g
29 April 2006, 06:24 PM
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Well I drive a Supercharged CTR. Only low boost as well so only making around 270 bhp (hub as measured on Abbeys Dynapak). I think a lot people do not realise that the supercharger makes a great way of tuning a FWD car. The power delivery is very linear and right across the revrange. Also the torque is not huge, around 168 flbs. And that is the killer in a FWD car, just ask a diver of a VXR lol.
Of course if you are wanting to persue BIG bhp then RWD of 4wd is the way to go, but we all have to live in the real world as well and not all of us want to spend the bucks it takes to run and maintain one of these monsters. And at over a quid a litre for Opi.....
For me the secret, especially when tuning FWD is overall balance. As I have said I have a fair amount of power that is between 2500, where the car pulls even in 6th gear. All the way to 8k. Yes it can rev higher but due to the K20's high compression ratio, and to save on internal wear due to high EGT's I have kept the limit to 8k. About reliability, well Honda makes a strong engine. I use the CTR to commute 80 miles a day, everyday and it is totaly reliable. On the motorway I can sit at 80 mph all day at just under 4k revs and if I push my foot 1/4 inch even in 6th it pulls like it used to in 4th. Enough to keep an M3 behind easy, and I do not have a 155mph limiter (though only went that quick at Brunters)
Besides with the charger I do not need revs to go any higher.
As for driving, in pretty much every situation the car is easy to drive and very flexible. Just to compare we (it's the wifes) also have a Ver7 STI . And up to 60 mph the Scooby has an edge, but not by much. After then it is pretty much all over tbh. When the Scooby runs out of puff the Civic just keeps on pulling. Round the corners the CTR is more directional with better turn in, and the excellent throttle response gives more control.
Having said all that the comparison is not really fair, as the Scooby is standard, whereas I have spend around 4k on the CTR's engine (or is it the Scooby was 26k new lol). Though I am still running the standard transmition as it is more than capable of coping with that power. I'd only uprate the cluch if I went for the smaller pully and went for the 8psi (I have around 4psi) kit. All that is really needed to go with the conversion is a fast road set up and ditch the Bridgestones for Toyo's or Parada Spec2's
Overall a great tuning package. I will add I am also a loooong time Scooby fan and love driving the STI, it does 'feel' quicker due to the way the power comes in all of a rush. And if it rains....well no contest.......
Of course I will not convince any diehards of how good the car can be, but it makes me smile everyday (though at 40 years old I guess I should grow up a bit.....naaaah)...
Of course if you are wanting to persue BIG bhp then RWD of 4wd is the way to go, but we all have to live in the real world as well and not all of us want to spend the bucks it takes to run and maintain one of these monsters. And at over a quid a litre for Opi.....
For me the secret, especially when tuning FWD is overall balance. As I have said I have a fair amount of power that is between 2500, where the car pulls even in 6th gear. All the way to 8k. Yes it can rev higher but due to the K20's high compression ratio, and to save on internal wear due to high EGT's I have kept the limit to 8k. About reliability, well Honda makes a strong engine. I use the CTR to commute 80 miles a day, everyday and it is totaly reliable. On the motorway I can sit at 80 mph all day at just under 4k revs and if I push my foot 1/4 inch even in 6th it pulls like it used to in 4th. Enough to keep an M3 behind easy, and I do not have a 155mph limiter (though only went that quick at Brunters)
Besides with the charger I do not need revs to go any higher.
As for driving, in pretty much every situation the car is easy to drive and very flexible. Just to compare we (it's the wifes) also have a Ver7 STI . And up to 60 mph the Scooby has an edge, but not by much. After then it is pretty much all over tbh. When the Scooby runs out of puff the Civic just keeps on pulling. Round the corners the CTR is more directional with better turn in, and the excellent throttle response gives more control.
Having said all that the comparison is not really fair, as the Scooby is standard, whereas I have spend around 4k on the CTR's engine (or is it the Scooby was 26k new lol). Though I am still running the standard transmition as it is more than capable of coping with that power. I'd only uprate the cluch if I went for the smaller pully and went for the 8psi (I have around 4psi) kit. All that is really needed to go with the conversion is a fast road set up and ditch the Bridgestones for Toyo's or Parada Spec2's
Overall a great tuning package. I will add I am also a loooong time Scooby fan and love driving the STI, it does 'feel' quicker due to the way the power comes in all of a rush. And if it rains....well no contest.......
Of course I will not convince any diehards of how good the car can be, but it makes me smile everyday (though at 40 years old I guess I should grow up a bit.....naaaah)...
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29 April 2006, 06:34 PM
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I had a 350bhp Vortech Supercharger on my S2000 (never put the belt on though!!)
I know people are saying you can just buy a modded scoob for half the price, but there is a "but" there...
Number 1 is the image thing. Ive had many scoobs and unfortunately many classics are now "cruising" round with neons and other **** on them. I dont like the newer scoobs either. Put me in a dilemma for more power as the S is already stretched. I love the S2000 to bits so I though a blower would keep me happy, from a power, and image point of view.
Second point is that its a challenge and its nice to fiddle and create something (did it myself) rather than just bolt a downpipe on there.
Last one is the surprise element. Who'd be happy about being beaten in their expensive Italian beast by a Jap hairdressers car??
I gave up on my project for various reasons, but will be back on it soon I think
For the above reasons, I applaud the poster for going down the S/C route with the Honda
MB
I know people are saying you can just buy a modded scoob for half the price, but there is a "but" there...
Number 1 is the image thing. Ive had many scoobs and unfortunately many classics are now "cruising" round with neons and other **** on them. I dont like the newer scoobs either. Put me in a dilemma for more power as the S is already stretched. I love the S2000 to bits so I though a blower would keep me happy, from a power, and image point of view.
Second point is that its a challenge and its nice to fiddle and create something (did it myself) rather than just bolt a downpipe on there.
Last one is the surprise element. Who'd be happy about being beaten in their expensive Italian beast by a Jap hairdressers car??
I gave up on my project for various reasons, but will be back on it soon I think
For the above reasons, I applaud the poster for going down the S/C route with the Honda
MB
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