How Did I Rate against a 320bhp modded Sti?
26 April 2006, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Sorry mate, couldnt resist, its the way you phrased it !
Not actually inferring you are a man enthusiast !
And I quote,
"I came up quick behind him "
"and saw he wanted to play"
"nice chap"
"not sure what his were like but mine were perfect"
"slightly uphill"
"him responding"
"we came to halt together"
"but when we went I got it perfect"
"gorgeous looking all black "
"and i'll keep a look out for him again"
Not actually inferring you are a man enthusiast !
And I quote,
"I came up quick behind him "
"and saw he wanted to play"
"nice chap"
"not sure what his were like but mine were perfect"
"slightly uphill"
"him responding"
"we came to halt together"
"but when we went I got it perfect"
"gorgeous looking all black "
"and i'll keep a look out for him again"
26 April 2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Wont be 295lbft as standard buddy.
Standard is 210lbft
If yours is 295lbft it is secretly remapped! It would explain why you had your encounter with the sti.
A 320bhp sti would not have any problems at all with a 225bhp LCR.
A remapped LCR and then yes it would have problems!
You sure yours is not remapped? The previous driver?
Standard is 210lbft
If yours is 295lbft it is secretly remapped! It would explain why you had your encounter with the sti.
A 320bhp sti would not have any problems at all with a 225bhp LCR.
A remapped LCR and then yes it would have problems!
You sure yours is not remapped? The previous driver?
26 April 2006, 06:47 PM
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i had a quick play with a new shape sti in my clio trophy on sunday we both set off rolling start and i stayed with him ok, he backed off before corners so didnt get chance to have a good go just cos your in a rally car doesnt make u colin mcrae after all! , then had a propper sesh with a civic type r which was promptly shown a pair off heels! although must say it did seem to pull harder in a straight line!
26 April 2006, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sulli
Not sure how relevant, but I logged my LCR on vag.com with 295 lb/ft of torque - I think this is as accurate as you get for a torque reading, and is higher than standard - it's done a few miles and I guess is loosened up, tip top condition running perfectly, so maybe that exp[lains it a bit - plus, we all know ity's down to the driver.
. Edited to say posted at the same time!
26 April 2006, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
So how does a FWD LCR that is unmodded and supposedly does 0-60 in 6.9s beat an AWD car that does it in ~5.0s, and then probably opens the gap further when going to 100?
261bhp, 253lb/ft, 180bhp/ton
60 = approx.5s
100 = approx.13s
30-70 = approx.5s
Standard LCR:
210-225bhp, 200lb/ft, 155bhp/ton
60 = approx.7s
100 = approx.18s
30-70 = approx.6s
A ******* big difference!
Standard LCR beating a 320bhp Sti?
26 April 2006, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
£500 on a remap and you'll be pulling 300lbft of torque.
And yes lbft not NM.
But i agree 295 will be NM if your car is standard!
And yes lbft not NM.
But i agree 295 will be NM if your car is standard!
26 April 2006, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Leeroy
Standard Sti7/8:
261bhp, 253lb/ft, 180bhp/ton
60 = approx.5s
100 = approx.13s
30-70 = approx.5s
Standard LCR:
210-225bhp, 200lb/ft, 155bhp/ton
60 = approx.7s
100 = approx.18s
30-70 = approx.6s
A ******* big difference!
Standard LCR beating a 320bhp Sti?
261bhp, 253lb/ft, 180bhp/ton
60 = approx.5s
100 = approx.13s
30-70 = approx.5s
Standard LCR:
210-225bhp, 200lb/ft, 155bhp/ton
60 = approx.7s
100 = approx.18s
30-70 = approx.6s
A ******* big difference!
Standard LCR beating a 320bhp Sti?
26 April 2006, 10:59 PM
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Agreed it's all down to the driver, but as per Leeroy's post the quoted specs show the STi as a much faster car out of the box. The figures quoted are pretty much correct, a standard LCR does 0-60 in 6.9 seconds and 0-100 in 17.8 seconds, quarter mile time is in at 15.5 seconds so it more likely would of crossed the line at around 90 - 95mph unless it was modified.
My last car was a Prelude 2.2 V-Tec that was slightly tuned (BBR ECU chip, decat and induction kit), and that had a very slight edge on my mates standard LCR. My new car (JDM Sti v4) is waaaaay quicker than the prelude and leaves him for dust. If the driver of a 320bhp STi couldn't get off the line quicker than a FWD 220bhp car then he was doing something very wrong!
My last car was a Prelude 2.2 V-Tec that was slightly tuned (BBR ECU chip, decat and induction kit), and that had a very slight edge on my mates standard LCR. My new car (JDM Sti v4) is waaaaay quicker than the prelude and leaves him for dust. If the driver of a 320bhp STi couldn't get off the line quicker than a FWD 220bhp car then he was doing something very wrong!
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27 April 2006, 12:39 AM
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Sounds a bit like the old Dallas story line where Bobby Ewings wife (what was her name ...) awoke from a dream & Bobby was in the shower - he hadn't been shot after all! Both stories sound highly unlikeley.
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27 April 2006, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Leeroy
A £500 remap alone gives 100lb/ft (50%) extra torque? Well that is some bang per buck!
27 April 2006, 10:41 AM
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Hmmmm!!! When will you people realise 0-60 times are as useless as **** on a tortoise? I think if the guy in the scoob had said his car was a standard STi with 260bhp then the post would not have happened!! Why oh why are all "road races" always a "standard whatever" against a "modded thingymybob" If they get the figures for a scoob by redlining it and side stepping the clutch, then that's exactly the same way they get the figures on an LCR!! In the "real" world it just doesn't happen! So the figures would be pro-rata whatever the cars! EG. I can achieve 5.5secs starts time after time in the evo by just setting off briskly then nailing the throttle. This is of course using a gtech pro, so I'm not saying they are "true figures" but you get my drift.
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27 April 2006, 11:52 AM
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Who cares? Ive raced both cars on my bog standard fireblade and they were both pretty slow
Fireblade?...........................eat my R1 dust!!!!dave
27 April 2006, 12:46 PM
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0-62 of LCR is 6.9
0-60 is 6.6
Wish people would get that right!!
0-100 is 17secs not 18secs
Look though the seatcupra.net site and the quickest STANDARD 1/4 mile is 14.6 @96mph
Thats some difference from the innacurate stats above!
Still agree though standard car should not get near a 320bhp sti.
And yes if you have a 210bhp version you can push torque from 199lbft standard to 300lbft remapped so 100+lbft for £500.
0-60 is 6.6
Wish people would get that right!!
0-100 is 17secs not 18secs
Look though the seatcupra.net site and the quickest STANDARD 1/4 mile is 14.6 @96mph
Thats some difference from the innacurate stats above!
Still agree though standard car should not get near a 320bhp sti.
And yes if you have a 210bhp version you can push torque from 199lbft standard to 300lbft remapped so 100+lbft for £500.
27 April 2006, 01:37 PM
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Hardly worth arguing over a % of a second, but the official stats for a 2002 LCR read:
Seat Leon Cupra R
BHP - 210
KG - 1376
BHP/TON - 155.07
0-60 - 6.94s
0-100 - 17.85s
60-100 - 10.91s
1/4 Mile - 15.33s
Term. Speed - 92.66mph
These times were decreased slighty with the introduction of a new model with slightly more BHP in 2004:
Leon Cupra R
BHP - 222
KG - 1376
BHP/TON - 163.93
0-60 - 6.62s
0-100 - 16.66s
60-100 - 10.04s
1/4 Mile - 14.99s
Term. Speed - 94.86mph
Seat Leon Cupra R
BHP - 210
KG - 1376
BHP/TON - 155.07
0-60 - 6.94s
0-100 - 17.85s
60-100 - 10.91s
1/4 Mile - 15.33s
Term. Speed - 92.66mph
These times were decreased slighty with the introduction of a new model with slightly more BHP in 2004:
Leon Cupra R
BHP - 222
KG - 1376
BHP/TON - 163.93
0-60 - 6.62s
0-100 - 16.66s
60-100 - 10.04s
1/4 Mile - 14.99s
Term. Speed - 94.86mph
27 April 2006, 03:07 PM
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PPP Sti - 305bhp
0 - 60 4.62
0 - 100 12.20
1/4 Mile - 13.44
Thats at least 4 secs quicker to 100.............we'll have to put this one down to the driver - well done
0 - 60 4.62
0 - 100 12.20
1/4 Mile - 13.44
Thats at least 4 secs quicker to 100.............we'll have to put this one down to the driver - well done
27 April 2006, 05:18 PM
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don't they do the 0-60 test with half a tank of fuel and some more weight in the car in the vag range or is that just a mith ? Don't think you would be able to redline a lcr and sidestep the clutch if you did you would'nt get very far in a hurry
27 April 2006, 05:41 PM
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Well I've owned a classic scoob which I had fettled to 250bhp and the same'ish torque. I sold that and brought one of the last 210 LCRs. Although I may have been fooled by the smoother power delivery of the LCR it certainly didn't feel anywhere near as quick as my old Scooby.
So I REVO'd it (I'd decided 20mins into the 5 hour free trial
) and it did feel very quick in a straight line, especially in gear acceleration!. However, the handling was no where near as confidence inspiring as the old scoob and unless the road was billiard table smooth the suspension was for want of a better word... crap.
So sold the LCR, had a few different cars inbetween but now I'm back into a 53 Blob Eye WRX.
Sure it may not be the fastest car in the world and the image isn't what it used to be, but bang for buck there's little that can compete with it in my eyes.
So I REVO'd it (I'd decided 20mins into the 5 hour free trial
) and it did feel very quick in a straight line, especially in gear acceleration!. However, the handling was no where near as confidence inspiring as the old scoob and unless the road was billiard table smooth the suspension was for want of a better word... crap.So sold the LCR, had a few different cars inbetween but now I'm back into a 53 Blob Eye WRX.
Sure it may not be the fastest car in the world and the image isn't what it used to be, but bang for buck there's little that can compete with it in my eyes.
27 April 2006, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Leeroy
A £500 remap alone gives 100lb/ft (50%) extra torque? Well that is some bang per buck!
27 April 2006, 07:20 PM
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I recently saw a thread on PH about a LCR which had been chipped and was apparently quicker than a TVR ...... amazing these cars must be - they seem quicker than almost everything on the road when chipped !
All things will be quicker than my cars when someone tries to race me - I value my licence ! Boring it may be but I love 'B' roads for my personal pleasure and enjoy each car I have had in different ways. I know which ones I have thought are quickest of the cars I have had and thats enough for me !
All things will be quicker than my cars when someone tries to race me - I value my licence ! Boring it may be but I love 'B' roads for my personal pleasure and enjoy each car I have had in different ways. I know which ones I have thought are quickest of the cars I have had and thats enough for me !
27 April 2006, 08:59 PM
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My mates got a (225 LCR) i had a std wrx (225) 03 plate.
from 0-80 he was 5 car lenths back.. but once moving 80-150 he past me at about 125mph. slowly. but now my WRX is not std and he does not have a chance.. BUT LCR are fast for a FWD car. But in the wet my mate does 0-60 in about 10 secs...++++++
from 0-80 he was 5 car lenths back.. but once moving 80-150 he past me at about 125mph. slowly. but now my WRX is not std and he does not have a chance.. BUT LCR are fast for a FWD car. But in the wet my mate does 0-60 in about 10 secs...++++++
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27 April 2006, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by John57
I recently saw a thread on PH about a LCR which had been chipped and was apparently quicker than a TVR ...... amazing these cars must be - they seem quicker than almost everything on the road when chipped !
27 April 2006, 11:52 PM
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Well I have owned both
210LCR (265bhp APR Remap)
53 plate STI PPP 302BHP
I got 15.1s 1/4mile with a 7.2 0-60 at GTI international when the LCR was standard.
Even without abusing the clutch the STI had a massive advantage over the LCR from standing starts.
Straight line the LCR is very quick when remaped but still no match for a 300bhp scoob.
210LCR (265bhp APR Remap)
53 plate STI PPP 302BHP
I got 15.1s 1/4mile with a 7.2 0-60 at GTI international when the LCR was standard.
Even without abusing the clutch the STI had a massive advantage over the LCR from standing starts.
Straight line the LCR is very quick when remaped but still no match for a 300bhp scoob.
28 April 2006, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Darren 01
Well I have owned both
210LCR (265bhp APR Remap)
53 plate STI PPP 302BHP
I got 15.1s 1/4mile with a 7.2 0-60 at GTI international when the LCR was standard.
Even without abusing the clutch the STI had a massive advantage over the LCR from standing starts.
Straight line the LCR is very quick when remaped but still no match for a 300bhp scoob.
210LCR (265bhp APR Remap)
53 plate STI PPP 302BHP
I got 15.1s 1/4mile with a 7.2 0-60 at GTI international when the LCR was standard.
Even without abusing the clutch the STI had a massive advantage over the LCR from standing starts.
Straight line the LCR is very quick when remaped but still no match for a 300bhp scoob.
The only way to decide this nonsense one way or another is for the SAME person to drive each car (whatever they are!) back to back. They can then compare directly things like performance and handling - i.e. discounting driver ability.
So to the original poster - why don't you go and try a new PPP STI for yourself, then come back and tell us which one is faster. I don't care what the answer is, as I don't own either, but at least it would be a little more objective than your daft street racing and unprovable assertions!
28 April 2006, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 645
Darren's got the right approach there....
The only way to decide this nonsense one way or another is for the SAME person to drive each car (whatever they are!) back to back. They can then compare directly things like performance and handling - i.e. discounting driver ability.
So to the original poster - why don't you go and try a new PPP STI for yourself, then come back and tell us which one is faster. I don't care what the answer is, as I don't own either, but at least it would be a little more objective than your daft street racing and unprovable assertions!
The only way to decide this nonsense one way or another is for the SAME person to drive each car (whatever they are!) back to back. They can then compare directly things like performance and handling - i.e. discounting driver ability.
So to the original poster - why don't you go and try a new PPP STI for yourself, then come back and tell us which one is faster. I don't care what the answer is, as I don't own either, but at least it would be a little more objective than your daft street racing and unprovable assertions!
Which car is faster? The Scooby - creeped past me, and is also quicker on paper.
I have owned a 260bhp Impreza and a 310 bhp Ralliart VR4 before this, so i'm not a disillusioned SEAT owner. I've driven plenty of 300+ bhp Scoobies, inc a P1.
All I posted was what happened, I was pleased with how my LCR compared to a very quick Impreza, I knew the LCR was quick, but this proved it's quick on the road - but we weren't side to side in a straight line - if we were maybe the difference would have been more appreciable. As it was, not a great deal in it when rolling.
As someone said earlier - the LCR is a great handling car on a good surface, and I get the impression its a great track car, british roads can on occassion unsettle it, and the Impreza deals with that better.
At the end of the day any car over 200bhp, weighing not too much, will go very quickly driven correctly, and won't be whipped by much unless its competiotion has tonnes more power.
To conclude - the LCR is very quick, drive it well and it'll reward you. An Impreza Sti is very quick, drive it well and it's very very good, but by no means invincible. The LCR can be driven very quickly, though this is sometimes challenging on the road, but take an LCR on the track and in the dry it'll challange most cars.