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Old 08 May 2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
A better question would have been to say, this is a school and we strive to bring up children to have high moral standards and values, do you believe you will be able to demonstrate suitably high moral values to be a good example to the children?
But it's a catholic school.

It should say - we aim to brainwash our kids from an early age and to convince them that they are always guilty of something.

Old 08 May 2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
Maybe if the business is your own you should be able to employ who you want, there is an argument for it.

However a school is publicly funded.
And a fair proportion of that public is catholic!! They're quite prolific breaders you know!!

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Old 08 May 2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
But it's a catholic school.

It should say - we aim to brainwash our kids from an early age and to convince them that they are always guilty of something. And make them Grandparents by the time they're 35!

Edited to make more comprehensive!
Old 08 May 2006, 03:05 PM
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This may help, if it's an independent school:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032037.htm

Scroll down to the Explanatory Note at the bottom, if you don't like reading laws
Old 08 May 2006, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
If you have a requirement which means a person applying for a job has to be available to work all seven days of the week, but they say they can't work Saturday or Sunday (or any other day) due to religious reasons, are you allowed to reject their application on that basis?
Absolutely. Except you have to be careful about how you do it. If working weekends (or being Catholic, in this case) is a key and unavoidable requirement of the job that cannot be PROVEN to be needless in an employment tribunal, then you can state that during the interview and ask about their ability to comply with it. It is up to them then whether they are able to or not. (One of the things I learnt during an employment law course.
Old 08 May 2006, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard_P
I'm not saying thats why she was turned down.

Nigel H was questioning whether it is legitimate to ask about religious inclinations. The answer would appear to be no.

A better question would have been to say, this is a school and we strive to bring up children to have high moral standards and values, do you believe you will be able to demonstrate suitably high moral values to be a good example to the children?
That was in part why I made the point about trying to clarify the exact wording of the sentence.

I think you can ask pretty much what you like in an interview, as long as you don't discriminate as a result. You could ask a woman in an interview if she is married or even if she was planning a family, however, if you then didn't give her the job when she was the best suited just because you're worried about her going off on maternity leave, you'd have a problem.
Old 08 May 2006, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That was in part why I made the point about trying to clarify the exact wording of the sentence.

I think you can ask pretty much what you like in an interview, as long as you don't discriminate as a result. You could ask a woman in an interview if she is married or even if she was planning a family, however, if you then didn't give her the job when she was the best suited just because you're worried about her going off on maternity leave, you'd have a problem.
Exactly. The obvious problem being that if you DO ask such a question and then go on to turn her down for the job for a completely unrelated reason, you may then find yourself in a tricky position if the applicant felt that her answer may be the REAL reason for not getting the job. Even if she KNEW the real reason was genuine and unrelated to her breeding wishes, she COULD in theory attempt to sue you knowing that you have now given her some nice ammo to fire at you.

You'd have to attend a tribunal, defend your decision and explain your reasoning and hope that you were found to be in the right.

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Old 08 May 2006, 04:13 PM
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yeah i think its not fair, i wanted to be an ann summers rep. organising party all that,

but they said

"i'm sorry, william but you are not suited for the job,pure discrimination, i tell you!"
Old 08 May 2006, 04:45 PM
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We've NO interest in following this up, whoever got the job may well have been better qualified, we'll never know.

The reason I asked the question was that I couldn't see the relevance of having Catholic values for an admin job in a school. Sure if you are a teacher this will have a bearing, but all the job entailed was running a database.
Old 08 May 2006, 04:49 PM
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Nigel, the law I showed above only refers to teachers. So you could suspect that the question, if they relied on the answer, was on dodgy legal ground.
Old 08 May 2006, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wwp8
yeah i think its not fair, i wanted to be an ann summers rep. organising party all that,

but they said

"i'm sorry, william but you are not suited for the job,pure discrimination, i tell you!"
Response from Anne Summers:

William, your interview went well up till the point (about 10 secs in) you asked the female interviewer to, and I quote, "Bend over love, I'll give you a demonstration of what you're missing with all that ***** rubbish"

We feel this was in poor taste, even by our standards, and our rejection of your application cannot be deemed as discrimination.

Also, You didn't say please or offer a free sample of lube!!!

Sincerely,
Old 08 May 2006, 07:33 PM
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Thanks Brendan. That's what I thought should be the case, but the law is a strange thing at times (for a layman at least).

We discussed this very point before the interview - thinking it would be raised. It turns out we were right to have doubts but what can you do, and anyway I'm sure they'd be able to come up with something to cover their tracks. This just helped to confirm one of my prejudices
Old 08 May 2006, 10:48 PM
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Y'know what? I went to install a new doorway at the weekend in a certain premises, and to say it was a fanny-pit would be an injustice to the reality.

I wonder how they discriminated at interview.
Old 08 May 2006, 10:58 PM
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