Society's problems all down to a 'Godless' society
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If god exists hes a ******. Lucky for me he doesnt so theres no-one to smite me.
All of societys problems today is the fault of parents plain and simple. Good parents equal good kids.
All of societys problems today is the fault of parents plain and simple. Good parents equal good kids.
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I agree that some on here see the good old days (whenever they were) through rose tinted glasses. I'm not condoning an 11 year old getting pregnant but this certainly cannot be a recent phenomonen throughout the history of the human race. If she wasn't physically ready for pregnancy then she wouldnt be pregnant.
As posted earlier, to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?
As posted earlier, to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
I agree that some on here see the good old days (whenever they were) through rose tinted glasses. I'm not condoning an 11 year old getting pregnant but this certainly cannot be a recent phenomonen throughout the history of the human race. If she wasn't physically ready for pregnancy then she wouldnt be pregnant.
As posted earlier, to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?
As posted earlier, to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?
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Originally Posted by Reality
It's funny how most people seem to have forgotten that we are basically apes. an 11 year old ape would probably be past her best
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our ability to override our animalist urges with rational intelligent thought
I'm not so sure who is worse - that the older woman or the 11 year old kiddie in their respective "cases".
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Originally Posted by Ben v7
What seperates us from apes and other animals is our ability to override our animalist urges with rational intelligent thought - and hopefully most people can work out why things like that are just plain wrong.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Seems to me you are passing a moral view on a natural reproductive act.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Seems to me you are passing a moral view on a natural reproductive act. If she wasn't physically able to become pregnant then she wouldn't become pregnant.
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As you would have seen if you observed my postings correctly, I do not condone 11 year olds getting pregnant. At the same time it is a moral view and not a scientific/physical view as to the age of consent.
I shall state it again for the benefit of those who take specific quotes and ignore the rest of what is said:
'to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?'
As for you Ollyk, I think you are confusing yourself.
I shall state it again for the benefit of those who take specific quotes and ignore the rest of what is said:
'to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?'
As for you Ollyk, I think you are confusing yourself.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Would you lower the age of consent then to an arbitrary 'when able to conceive' ?
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
'to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?'
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why do people think kids having babies is only in this day and age ??? its been around far longer than you would belive but they used to send them away to have there babies and given away then made to live with nuns and worked this was still going on in the 80s in island
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And what's wrong with presenting another view? I am passing the time, but aren't the majority of people doing the same on pretty silly threads like this also?
Taking your view that our society after 'two thousand years of evolution' has deemed 16 to be the age of consent. How come the age of consent in this country was 12 up until 1860? I'm still trying to work out, how at the time, in a society with strong feelings and beliefs in God did such practices exist.
To simply start a thread blaming all that's bad on a 'Godless society' is being quite niave.
Taking your view that our society after 'two thousand years of evolution' has deemed 16 to be the age of consent. How come the age of consent in this country was 12 up until 1860? I'm still trying to work out, how at the time, in a society with strong feelings and beliefs in God did such practices exist.
To simply start a thread blaming all that's bad on a 'Godless society' is being quite niave.
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The British were still trading slaves at the beginning of the 19th century and women weren't considered worthy of a vote until the turn of the last. Godless or otherwise, your suggestion that sex with an 11 year old child is acceptable warrants a challenge.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
your suggestion that sex with an 11 year old child is acceptable warrants a challenge.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
and women weren't considered worthy of a vote until the turn of the last.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The British were still trading slaves at the beginning of the 19th century and women weren't considered worthy of a vote until the turn of the last. Godless or otherwise, your suggestion that sex with an 11 year old child is acceptable warrants a challenge.
My view is taken into context about the thread. I don't quite know what your agenda is but if you're trying to say something then say it.
Succinctly, an 11 year olds sexual exploits are in no way to do with a 'Godless society'.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
As you would have seen if you observed my postings correctly, I do not condone 11 year olds getting pregnant. At the same time it is a moral view and not a scientific/physical view as to the age of consent.
I shall state it again for the benefit of those who take specific quotes and ignore the rest of what is said:
'to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?'
'to what time should we be looking at for moral guidance?'
As for you Ollyk, I think you are confusing yourself.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Actually the doctors are rather worried as having a child when the female hasn't fully developed is inherantly dangerous to both mother and baby.
Why do we have to look to a specific time for guidance, why can't we with the benefit of hind sight develop a better moral code now than we have had in the past?
Not at all. Being physically capable of something does not mean it should be done, certainly morally, but also for basic survival reasonas as well.
Why do we have to look to a specific time for guidance, why can't we with the benefit of hind sight develop a better moral code now than we have had in the past?
Not at all. Being physically capable of something does not mean it should be done, certainly morally, but also for basic survival reasonas as well.
Don't quite understand your moral (sic) 'hind sight' view. Are you telling me there is a better moral code in society now than there was before?
I take note of your concern by doctors. But nature and natural selection have been around longer than any doctor I know of. If indeed she is the scum that she's being portrayed as then she will not be long of this Earth due to her unnatural activities
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Don't quite understand your moral (sic) 'hind sight' view. Are you telling me there is a better moral code in society now than there was before?
I take note of your concern by doctors. But nature and natural selection have been around longer than any doctor I know of. If indeed she is the scum that she's being portrayed as then she will not be long of this Earth due to her unnatural activities
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Originally Posted by OllyK
but if you're going to boil it down to purely physiological criteria, then rape becomes acceptable.
And you could argue that he shouldn't anyway.
The girls Mum obviously thinks it's OK, the girl's happy enough with her new status as a soon to be new mum - Why the **** should a 15 year old child be persecuted by the state ?
Now there's a good "moral judgement" question .
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
The whole reason the thread started was someone going on about how the ills of our society today stem from us being a 'Godless society' now, inferring there was some sort of golden age where everything was ok when we were a God fearing society.
He was simply saying we have a totally different scenario in this country now and in his view it was better then than 'Godless' times we experience now.
Can't imagine there is one person on this forum who is old enough to disagree with him.For an elderly person comparing our modern society to a time when there was a war on and choosing the war years as the better option...its got to be bad!
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I was putting forward a different view, why look back, why not learn by the past and adapt society's moral code accordingly?.
Just because a woman is capable of being pregnant doesn't mean she should be, yes that's a moral judgement, but if you're going to boil it down to purely physiological criteria, then rape becomes acceptable.
Once you bang on about morality, what's moral, what's not, you've already lost whatever arguement was there. It's too subjective an area.
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Just to be clear.The gentleman who wrote the letter to the newspaper did actually experience the 1940's.
He was simply saying we have a totally different scenario in this country now and in his view it was better then than 'Godless' times we experience now.
Can't imagine there is one person on this forum who is old enough to disagree with him.For an elderly person comparing our modern society to a time when there was a war on and choosing the war years as the better option...its got to be bad!
He was simply saying we have a totally different scenario in this country now and in his view it was better then than 'Godless' times we experience now.
Can't imagine there is one person on this forum who is old enough to disagree with him.For an elderly person comparing our modern society to a time when there was a war on and choosing the war years as the better option...its got to be bad!
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Why not indeed. In fact in 100 years from now the age of consent may be 21 along with smoking and drinking if they're still allowed. That's the trouble with moral codes, they are very subjective. Spain's age of consent is 13 while Romania's is 10. Doubtless there are countries where it is lower than this. Likewise, there are places with ages of consent higher than 16 and may think a society with an age this low (16) is morally wrong just the same as I assume you'd look down on Spain and Romania.
That's twice you've raised rape without explaining why. Who said rape becomes acceptable? And if a female wishes to become pregnant what's that got to do with you, are you giving birth to it?
Once you bang on about morality, what's moral, what's not, you've already lost whatever arguement was there. It's too subjective an area.
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Religious teaching goes a step further than laws, which are supposed to reflect societies morals, in that it gives general instruction on how to live your life. I think one issue is that because people disregard religion they no longer have that message. Their behaviour might not be wrong in the eyes of the law, but it still might not be what most people who consider desirable, but because they are no longer accountable from a religious perspective it is easily dismissed. Of course many people don’t necessarily need the guidance that a religion would offer to behave appropriately, but perhaps some would be better off with it today.