Since you guys are on the subject, what do you think would be a rough estimate for someone to strip an engine thats already out, send the block away for machining with all internals supplied, then bolt back together??

 

heard figures around £2k mentioned for a good rebuild job, but not sure if that was back to standard or uprated parts

 

Don't forget, all 2.0 Subaru engines use the same crank. So they may be initially intended for the cooking 16v sohc non turbo motor and they are listed as a crossover part because of the similarity of the cranks.

Interestingly, a guy that we are aware of, uses Subaru's own brand recon short motors done in Brum by Beans of Tipton, or someone like that. He's NEVER seen a turbo motor with a ground crank fitted. So even Subaru don't seem to do it on a turbo motor for themselves.

David APi

 

Nah !! the warranty claims'll bury him in 2 weeks.

David

 

2k would be including parts. Can you give me a ballpark for machining and labour David?? Excluding the removal and refitting of the engine.

 

We start at £1500 for a FULL engine rebuild and go on upwards to wherever you want to stop.

David APi.

 

where ever you want to stop, lmao, more like when your credit card burns out from over use or your bank manager rings up to take the skin from your back pmsl

 

so if i walked in one day with a complete engine and all the parts needed for a rebuild i'd walk away with it rebuilt for £1500?? Just asking as i'm away to have that done and wouldnt mind an idea of cost from elswhere...

 

maybe i should give it to pete.....

 

You would be getting an ENGINEER to do the job, not a grease monkey

Remember to add VAT to that £1500!! =£1763!! now, even taking the parts at £500 (which I think is too high, but anyway) ..... doing it yourself has a few things in its favour:-

1. You will know that it has been done to a standard not a cost/time/profit

2. You will save yourself, at least, £1250 - treat yourself to a nice Plasma TV!

3. You will get superb satisfaction

4. You get to know yor car/engine rather intimately

All good reasons to DIY!

Pete

 

I think you will find that I said they are designed to WEAR out - not FAIL?

They are a softer material than the surrounding metal - and are replaceable!

Pete

 

very rough figures.......................

£400 for crank
£150 for shells & mains
£300 for gasket kit (+ about another £100 for the later cars that don't include all the top-end components needed)
£75min. for at least 1 rod which always ovals due to the heat
oils, filters, etc................

if you can do one for £300 Pete then come and work for us as i would love to be making that sort of profit!!

 

 

No crank needed ....

So, thats £150 + £300 = £450

Sorted .... oh, and the one conrod that ovals???? nah leave that out too!!

So, £450 it is then?

Pete

 

Pete:

The professional outfits above do this as a living, and must do a good job as that is what people pay for and expect (rightly so)

They do lots of engines and maintain sky-high reputations for years (I've dealt with both of them contributing here).

You just cannot ignore their advice.

They are not the only people to do engines as the longer list way above in this thread, so there is a competitive 'cap' on costs etc.
If you want up-grades then you pay extra by agreement.

I have done a few engines in my time (not an Impreza) including my hill climb 2.4 ltre flat 6 Porsche 911 (bit like a bigger Impreza) and i fully understand the buzz of the first fire-up and the biggest grin ever. Not every wants/can do their own though.

As to the crank/bearings etc I personally would never fit a 'marked' crank or refit a rod that has been stressed unless measured/crack tested, and even then it would nagg away in your mind when the engine is at 8000 rpm....

I am an Engineer, a Director of Design, but not an automotive engineer in the context of this thread.(did 6 years in OEM automotive in the 80's).

Have an opinion by all means (as I have) but be open minded enough to respect the experience of the professionals on here.

Finally, I would side with your dismay about the offensive reaction expressed to you by some. No need for it even though you can wind some up, but this is a public forum so we all need to be a bit thick-skinned at times.

Off to work!

Graham

 

Great post Graham!

 

Yes, top post Graham .... can't argue with what you say in essence.

But, I will never be taking my car above 8000RPM it hardly ever gets much above 4500!!

My engines are very lightly stressed, so I would not worry about using the crank again if it was perfectly serviceable ..... and as for conrods, well if they show no signs of fatigue then I would re-use them too.

I know that the lads above do top jobs - I know they charge for their service and make a profit, they are in business - but, I have many decades of experience around cars .... all kinds of engines - a lot of **** stuff is spouted on here and I just try to redress the balance (the new member can be scared ****less by some of the crap spoken!)

I am the devils advocate, I am the governor, I am the balance .....

Pete

 

No kidding!, I never knew that! Gosh what an opportunity, l'll start selling some of those right now.



David APi

 

Alyn,, you'd never get any work done mate, you'd be bloody arguing all the time.........

David APi

 

pete, what car do you actually have? i'm guessing a scoob, is it a sport? cos just wondering y you bought a high performance car when you don't use it?

 

SO???? I take it that you agree with me that they are designed to wear out??

We all know that big ends shells are sold, as are everything else - whats your point??

Pete

 

I bought a high performance car because I wanted to .... could you please show me where it states that an Impreza Turbo should only be bought by those who:-

a. Want to drive it like a ********?

b. Want to do Chavvie mods to it?

and

c. Who bought it when it clearly isn't fast enough for them?

I cannot see why people buy a car and change it .... just buy the car you WANT in the first place!!

No wonder the Impreza is now seen as the ChavMobile to be seen in

Pete

 

then y didn't you buy a sport? surely that would perform the same the way you drive?
face it lewis your spend a huge amount running the car, petrol, parts etc when you could get the same performance from a robin reliant the way you drive lmao

but joking aside, y do people modify there car? to make it better it a better car than it is, plain and simple.

 

They are not designed to wear out - they are designed to absorb the hammer blow of the explosion and provide a soft surface for the crank to rotate upon with the support of the oil. They work harden over a number of years and have a reduced capability to soften the blow, then they start to wear, then they fail.

Anyway, I'm getting bored with this thread I'm gone.

David APi

 

You didn't answer my questions ... not sure if they were too difficult for you, but here we go again:-

WHERE does it state that an Impreza Turbo ONLY should be bought by those who wish to drive it like a ********??

You seem to be implying that I shouldn't have an Impreza Turbo as I drive it with care??

You are clearly a chav who drives like a right wally and who likes to turn a perfectly good car into a pile of ****e by modding it ................ I don't think you are worthy to have such a great car!!

Pete

 

You continue rebuildiing ... bloody good job you are not designing engines - leave the design of the engine to Engineers like me - thats a good chap.

Pete

 

pmsl,

o forgot to ask, how often should i change my oil bslewis/mrree?

sorry, i thought they were retorical questions, wasn't realy paying much attention to what you were putting. hold on let me read them again again.

ok, here goes,

a: yes agree you shouldn't drive like a ********, but then y not go on a track day and push hard then.

b: please define chavvie mods?

c: if the car is so good y does it get MODIFIED to be raced? and can you buy one for the same price as a race spec but road legal?


nope not sayng in the slightest you shouldn't drive with care, in fact i recomend it, what im saying is, if you (as in you mrree/bslewis) can drive a car thats cheaper and more comfortable to drive y did you bother to buy a impreza? cos couldn't you argure that all go and no show is the definition of chav?

 

 

Condescending Git.

 

You taught me very well ...... anyway, I thought you were leaving??

Pete