core British values my ar*e
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Although, if we can get away from the idea that classes would be a NL indoctrination excersise, the initiative outlined in the link would be a move in the right direction, surely?
What are these values in your eyes UB? How would you test for "assimilation"?
Language
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Values
Aspirations
Lifestyle
You know, the way it used to be before New Labour came along and upset the equilibrium. There was no need for a 'test' then was there? That's how f*cked up things are getting thanks to the loopy lefties and their mad ideas. Everything has to be measured by 'metrics' now in order to meet 'targets'.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
If I can just butt in here, I'm going to be intrigued as to which part of the much vaunted "National Curriculum" Labour will propose dropping, in order to make room for these classes, 'cos there sure isn't any space on timetables now!
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Is there anywhere that is not too keen on being multi cultural? Just wondering
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Is there anywhere that is not too keen on being multi cultural? Just wondering
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
have a look at countries like Denmark and Sweden who choose tight border controls and low population, meaning a higher standard of living, but a comparative lack of international influence.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
There was no need for a 'test' then was there?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
If you're going to suggest that a person is repatriated because they aren't "assimilated", you need to be able to present a workable mechanism for testing this. Other then that, thanks for answering .
Anyway - where's my answer? Tell me about all this 'international influence' we enjoy as a direct result of out of control immigration?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
If you're going to suggest that a person is repatriated because they aren't "assimilated", you need to be able to present a workable mechanism for testing this. Other then that, thanks for answering .
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Sounds fine to me.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Great Britain has chosen a different course, we have invited immigrants to this country who have helped contribute to our undeniably influencial economy.
I ask again - how and where does this directly make our economy 'influencial'?
I think you've fallen or the New Labour propaganda that we are fed on a daily basis about how great and successful everything is with them in charge.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Me too. I spent a week in Denmark on a student exchange and thought it was a thoroughly sorted country, as did the people who lived there.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
aren't - or refuse to be? Two very different things.
What is this British culture you allude to UB?
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So how does one refuse to assimilate? Refusal to support England in the test, choosing instead to support their or their fathers country of origin? The refusal to remove their burkas? The refusal to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? The refusal to spend Saturday nights drinking into oblivion? The refusal to use foul language? To get pregnant at 11? To eat MacDonalds?
What is this British culture you allude to UB?
What is this British culture you allude to UB?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
So how does one refuse to assimilate? Refusal to support England in the test, choosing instead to support their or their fathers country of origin? The refusal to remove their burkas? The refusal to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? The refusal to spend Saturday nights drinking into oblivion? The refusal to use foul language? To get pregnant at 11? To eat MacDonalds?
no go areas for white people
not working or paying tax or NI
honour killing
torture rape and murder of teenage girls
shooting police officers
torture and murder of babies (because they are possessed by devils)
ritual murder and dismemberment of children
illegal import of threatened animal species for human consumption
suicide bombing of innocents
people smuggling
illegal 'work gangs'
supplying of heroin to indigenous people
The list is endless and the people that do these things are here, among us and there's not a thing we can do about it. Thanks directly to New Labour
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Which one's that Paxman?
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Originally Posted by Reality
If you can't see UB's three questions before the one you chose to answer then you'd be failing his test and on the first boat home
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JT seems to have problems assimilating common sense.
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PS JTaylor - How do you vote ?
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Living in ghettos where no English is spoken
no go areas for white people
not working or paying tax or NI
honour killing
torture rape and murder of teenage girls
shooting police officers
torture and murder of babies (because they are possessed by devils)
ritual murder and dismemberment of children
illegal import of threatened animal species for human consumption
suicide bombing of innocents
people smuggling
illegal 'work gangs'
supplying of heroin to indigenous people
The list is endless and the people that do these things are here, among us and there's not a thing we can do about it. Thanks directly to New Labour
no go areas for white people
not working or paying tax or NI
honour killing
torture rape and murder of teenage girls
shooting police officers
torture and murder of babies (because they are possessed by devils)
ritual murder and dismemberment of children
illegal import of threatened animal species for human consumption
suicide bombing of innocents
people smuggling
illegal 'work gangs'
supplying of heroin to indigenous people
The list is endless and the people that do these things are here, among us and there's not a thing we can do about it. Thanks directly to New Labour
What about if the law they broke in this country was legal in the one to which they returned. Would they then not be escaping British justice?
Edited to add: I thought you were joking when you asked how the British economy was influential. Tell me you are joking!
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Originally Posted by Reality
Having a go at someone for not answering your question then not answering their questions is the mark of a ....
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PS JTaylor - How do you vote ?
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At the turn of the century my guess is the the British economy was the biggest in the world.
Now we're sixth I think.
So I guess all these immigrants have helped us immensely
Now we're sixth I think.
So I guess all these immigrants have helped us immensely
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At the recent local elections I spoilt my vote. I'm a libertarian and nobody represented my political beliefs.
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Originally Posted by Reality
Who would you normally vote for ?
As an aside, to deny the influence of immigrants on this country's economy is to deny history itself.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
As an aside, to deny the influence of immigrants on this country's economy is to deny history itself.
Compare that to the current shower and you quickly realise that the 'quality' of immigrant is what has changed. It's the uncontrolled economic migration from the third world that New Labour has allowed and lost control of that is responsible for the current situation we find oursleves in. Drastic solutions are required to stop the decline but with a government in denial nothing is being done. Now they seem to think that brainwashing people into believing everything is great is a valid solution. No wonder people are now prepared to consider more radical alteratives.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
If we are talking 2nd Generation British subjects and their parents had been correctly assimilated into british culture then yes.
The trouble is with the 'multi cultural utopia' that New Labour has tried to artificially create we have a whole new type of economic migrant settling here with no interest in adopting British values, language or any thing else. They are purely here to plunder whatever they can and exploit our laws and customs for their own ends. It's a construct built by idiots that has gone wildly wrong and they can't stop or control it.
The trouble is with the 'multi cultural utopia' that New Labour has tried to artificially create we have a whole new type of economic migrant settling here with no interest in adopting British values, language or any thing else. They are purely here to plunder whatever they can and exploit our laws and customs for their own ends. It's a construct built by idiots that has gone wildly wrong and they can't stop or control it.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Couldn't agree more. Brunel's father was a Frenchman.
Compare that to the current shower and you quickly realise that the 'quality' of immigrant is what has changed. It's the uncontrolled economic migration from the third world that New Labour has allowed and lost control of that is responsible for the current situation we find oursleves in. Drastic solutions are required to stop the decline but with a government in denial nothing is being done. Now they seem to think that brainwashing people into believing everything is great is a valid solution. No wonder people are now prepared to consider more radical alteratives.
Compare that to the current shower and you quickly realise that the 'quality' of immigrant is what has changed. It's the uncontrolled economic migration from the third world that New Labour has allowed and lost control of that is responsible for the current situation we find oursleves in. Drastic solutions are required to stop the decline but with a government in denial nothing is being done. Now they seem to think that brainwashing people into believing everything is great is a valid solution. No wonder people are now prepared to consider more radical alteratives.
Party politics aside, any intitiative that is designed to help people settle harmoniously in our country ought to be welcomed. Additionally, discussions around it's format and content are sensible. Although I'm not blind to the sinister manoeuveres of all political parties, I don't feel this applies in this instance.
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The thing about immigration in this country now is that before people relocating here from overseas where we had a presence were already accustom to British values and institutions - they respected us, what we stood for and wanted to be a part of that. The core British values were by and large already there.
Now we have many immigrants who have no respect for our values, are here because this is a wealthy soft country full of rich pickings - easy targets. Where is the vetting when these people come in? These arn't the right reasons and it's no surprise to me that we are seeing all sorts of problems - from murders and ritualistic killings within these new communities to foreign organised criminal gangs operating in everything from credit card fraud to people / drug trafficing to prostitution.
I personally don't feel like Britian owes the rest of the world a favour, has a debt to pay following the empire etc that means we have to take this crazy approach to assylum and immigration.
I also do feel that it's the disintigration of the family unit and loss of control in the class room that has led to the lack of respect and generally appauling behaviour of a large section of the indigineous populations. Again it's going to take more than a few british values lesson's to address the problems here.
Now we have many immigrants who have no respect for our values, are here because this is a wealthy soft country full of rich pickings - easy targets. Where is the vetting when these people come in? These arn't the right reasons and it's no surprise to me that we are seeing all sorts of problems - from murders and ritualistic killings within these new communities to foreign organised criminal gangs operating in everything from credit card fraud to people / drug trafficing to prostitution.
I personally don't feel like Britian owes the rest of the world a favour, has a debt to pay following the empire etc that means we have to take this crazy approach to assylum and immigration.
I also do feel that it's the disintigration of the family unit and loss of control in the class room that has led to the lack of respect and generally appauling behaviour of a large section of the indigineous populations. Again it's going to take more than a few british values lesson's to address the problems here.
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
Where do you get the idea that economic immigrants have no interest in learning English? If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm all ears.
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