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iTrader: (2)

If I can just butt in here, I'm going to be intrigued as to which part of the much vaunted "National Curriculum" Labour will propose dropping, in order to make room for these classes, 'cos there sure isn't any space on timetables now!

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unclebuck

But we can't get away from that because that is their purpose.

The usual stuff that everyone pretty much agrees on. Adopting the host nations:

Language
Culture
Values
Aspirations
Lifestyle

You know, the way it used to be before New Labour came along and upset the equilibrium. There was no need for a 'test' then was there? That's how f*cked up things are getting thanks to the loopy lefties and their mad ideas. Everything has to be measured by 'metrics' now in order to meet 'targets'.

unclebuck

Probably dispense with history for a start. It needs rewriting anyway. And sport - all the kids are asmatic and obese anyway, and the councils make loads of money selling off the playing fields for property developments (to house more immigrants obviously).

JTaylor

Good question Lozgti. Google 'Multiculturalism', and you'll find stacks of opinions and worthwhile reading on the subject. Have a look at why some countries like Great Britain rely on immigrants to support a strong economy, which in turn gives us greater influence on the world stage. Also, have a look at countries like Denmark and Sweden who choose tight border controls and low population, meaning a higher standard of living, but a comparative lack of international influence.

OllyK

Most Islamic states, many Asian countries, many African Countries or where you meaning areas in the UK?

OllyK

unclebuck

Sounds fine to me. I'll trade a high standard of living for the mythical 'international influence' anytime. What is all this so called 'international influence anyway? We certainly don't have any. Hamstrung by EU legislation and Blair as George Bush's poodle. Don't make me laugh

JTaylor

If you're going to suggest that a person is repatriated because they aren't "assimilated", you need to be able to present a workable mechanism for testing this. Other then that, thanks for answering .

unclebuck

aren't - or refuse to be? Two very different things.

Anyway - where's my answer? Tell me about all this 'international influence' we enjoy as a direct result of out of control immigration?

OllyK

I'd be interested to know at what time in history the bar is set. The British isles have been invaded numerous times over history, to get back to pure breed we need to have values based around being hunter gatherers, sitting round the camp fire eating BBQ Woolly Mammoth

JTaylor

Me too. I spent a week in Denmark on a student exchange and thought it was a thoroughly sorted country, as did the people who lived there. But, Great Britain has chosen a different course, we have invited immigrants to this country who have helped contribute to our undeniably influencial economy.

unclebuck

This is completely wrong. Great Britain made no such choices. New Labour has conducted a terrible failed experiment to try to change our society into a supposed 'multicultural utopia' without any consultation with the people who already live here, and we are all now paying the price of their arrogance and stupidity.

I ask again - how and where does this directly make our economy 'influencial'?

I think you've fallen or the New Labour propaganda that we are fed on a daily basis about how great and successful everything is with them in charge.

unclebuck

I might be wrong but, was that the only time you have been abroad? You should know that the truth is the UK under Blair is largly regarded as a joke abroad, and those who don't, simply see it as a terrorist target.

JTaylor

So how does one refuse to assimilate? Refusal to support England in the test, choosing instead to support their or their fathers country of origin? The refusal to remove their burkas? The refusal to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? The refusal to spend Saturday nights drinking into oblivion? The refusal to use foul language? To get pregnant at 11? To eat MacDonalds?

What is this British culture you allude to UB?

Reality

Paxman "Can you answer my latest question rather than the one I asked three questions ago"

JTaylor

Which one's that Paxman?

unclebuck

Living in ghettos where no English is spoken
no go areas for white people
not working or paying tax or NI
honour killing
torture rape and murder of teenage girls
shooting police officers
torture and murder of babies (because they are possessed by devils)
ritual murder and dismemberment of children
illegal import of threatened animal species for human consumption
suicide bombing of innocents
people smuggling
illegal 'work gangs'
supplying of heroin to indigenous people

The list is endless and the people that do these things are here, among us and there's not a thing we can do about it. Thanks directly to New Labour

Reality

If you can't see UB's three questions before the one you chose to answer then you'd be failing his test and on the first boat home

unclebuck

JT seems to have problems assimilating common sense.

Reality

Having a go at someone for not answering your question then not answering their questions is the mark of a ....








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PS JTaylor - How do you vote ?

JTaylor

So, on the whole your test is; if they break the Law, they get sent home. Seems reasonable.

What about if the law they broke in this country was legal in the one to which they returned. Would they then not be escaping British justice?

Edited to add: I thought you were joking when you asked how the British economy was influential. Tell me you are joking!

JTaylor

At the recent local elections I spoilt my vote. I'm a libertarian and nobody represented my political beliefs.

Reality

At the turn of the century my guess is the the British economy was the biggest in the world.

Now we're sixth I think.

So I guess all these immigrants have helped us immensely

Reality

Who would you normally vote for ?

JTaylor

I'm undecided as to whom I shall vote for at the next election, although I come from a Conservative back ground.

As an aside, to deny the influence of immigrants on this country's economy is to deny history itself.

unclebuck

Couldn't agree more. Brunel's father was a Frenchman.

Compare that to the current shower and you quickly realise that the 'quality' of immigrant is what has changed. It's the uncontrolled economic migration from the third world that New Labour has allowed and lost control of that is responsible for the current situation we find oursleves in. Drastic solutions are required to stop the decline but with a government in denial nothing is being done. Now they seem to think that brainwashing people into believing everything is great is a valid solution. No wonder people are now prepared to consider more radical alteratives.

Brit_in_Japan

Where do you get the idea that economic immigrants have no interest in learning English? English is the de facto world language and it's use is expanding. And with the lack of linguistic skill in the UK they really have little choice if they want work, except in a pretty small number of cases. It is in their interest to learn English and they do so in large numbers. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm all ears.

JTaylor

I agree wholeheartedly that immigration needs to be controlled, any sensible person would. I also understand (but don't advocate) people's knee-jerk reaction to a rapidly changing cultural landscape; the BNP have gained massive politcal collateral out of peoples instinctive insecurities. They've also unhelpfully deepened the devide between different groups in what is, I hate to tell you, a multi-cultural country.

Party politics aside, any intitiative that is designed to help people settle harmoniously in our country ought to be welcomed. Additionally, discussions around it's format and content are sensible. Although I'm not blind to the sinister manoeuveres of all political parties, I don't feel this applies in this instance.

Ben v7

The thing about immigration in this country now is that before people relocating here from overseas where we had a presence were already accustom to British values and institutions - they respected us, what we stood for and wanted to be a part of that. The core British values were by and large already there.

Now we have many immigrants who have no respect for our values, are here because this is a wealthy soft country full of rich pickings - easy targets. Where is the vetting when these people come in? These arn't the right reasons and it's no surprise to me that we are seeing all sorts of problems - from murders and ritualistic killings within these new communities to foreign organised criminal gangs operating in everything from credit card fraud to people / drug trafficing to prostitution.

I personally don't feel like Britian owes the rest of the world a favour, has a debt to pay following the empire etc that means we have to take this crazy approach to assylum and immigration.

I also do feel that it's the disintigration of the family unit and loss of control in the class room that has led to the lack of respect and generally appauling behaviour of a large section of the indigineous populations. Again it's going to take more than a few british values lesson's to address the problems here.

unclebuck

Why are all the benefit claim forms written in about half a dozen languages? So that all those who arrive here with no command of the English language can claim their benefits from our taxes I would suggest. If they were only available in English these people would have to learn the language. In soft touch New Labour UK they don't even make it a basic requirement to have a grasp of the language before being showered with money and accomodation. No wonder they are arriving in droves.