TonyBurns

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I think that people will know that the car needs 100 ron fuel to run safely and take the precautions to do so, with the P1 people expect it to run 97 ron with no precautions and hence......

Tony

matt P1

I dont understand why its only the P1 that gets a bad rep for blowing up when it runs the same lump but more precations as an sti 5 and the answer when someone asks about buying one always seems to be '' buy a type r instead ''

Iwan

Because people like to knock P1's for some reason, at least that's my opinion. Best thing is to ask for advice on www.p1woc.co.uk where there are lots of P1 owners who will give an honest opinion on what P1's are like.

Either that or search for posts on here by Mike Wood of Prodrive.

P1's are no more or less unreliable than any other UK supplied Impreza if they're treated the way they are supposed to be treated. You always hear about the cars that go bang, but don't forget there are many many more out there going strong.

Iwan
(ex P1 and ex STI5 Type R owner)

Elmer Fudpucker

Well if it makes you feel any better?

I wouldn't buy either

ALi-B

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I think the reason is the P1 essentially was JDM car modified for use in the UK and on UK fuel. Yet the measures taken wasn't enough to address the problem, which obviously makes people question on why did they bother if it needs to have remaps and kn(c)ocklinks like the JDM equivelent to be 100% safe?

The problem was not with the car, moreso with Prodrive and International Motors not doing enough homework (or did they?...out of warrantee now ). Shame really.

One thing nobody can deny is they are prone to problems. P1woc will confirm this so it's hardly P1 bashing, thankfully owner's pride has not gone to their head about defending the marque. Although I bet some avid fans will completely deny there is anything wrong at all.

I tried telling somebody the other day there is technically nothing wrong with the Triumph stag engine....but they weren't having it. (actually, being honest - in this modern age of coolant and antifreeze, electronic ignition, fuel and modern engine tuning tools, it can be perfectly ok as long as no cooling system corrosion exists ).

Davey P

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Which has the same engine (depending on version) with an even worse map

THOMO

BUY ONE THERE THE BEST LOOKING CAR ON THE ROAD

BUT GET IT MAPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bubba po

<turns hearing aid down>

Stealth

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Most of the stuff that gets posted on there slatting the P1 is posted by people that have heard idle tittle tattle somewhere and are not shouting off about it, they have never owned one.......... at the end of the Day the P1 is no worse than an Import STI V or VI for mapping infact it's a little safer, but the P1 has better handling, it's unique style which just makes her so much better than the others and to top it off they are ltd!

All P1's should be mapped properly because, yes, prodrive were very lazy with this aspect of the car but they can be forgiven, they did everything else right

All scoobs have the same design floor..... (poo poo) intercoolers/bonnet design thus meaning high end speeds cause high charge temps as the air gets flung over the intercooler scoop, I mean who puts an intercooler on top of a hot engine and red hot turbo anyway ! :Roll:

This is the best Impreza that was ever released for purchase, don't miss out on a chance to own one !

ELV1S

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Have to say guys, I have had my P1 for nearly two years now, just coming up to 53k. And I have never had any probs what so ever.

I have it serviced every six months, use it everyday and it is totally standard, apart from a set of Defi's and a straight through centre section with a back box.

I think it is all down to how they are treated and driven, mostly I molly coddle mine, but push it from time to time, but know where near it's capability.

One thing's for sure, where ever I am, be it displaying her at a show with LADS, or driving down the street, there is no other car that gets as much attention !!

So go and buy one, but look at a few like I did and check them out !!

DazW

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Probably because a Type R & a rebuild is still considerably cheaper than most P1's

slagmagnet69

How much is a type r rebuild????

Iwan

I think he means the total cost of buying a Type R and having the engine rebuilt is less than just buying a P1 outright, due to higher P1 residuals. Depends what you want really, for 90% of real world driving the P1 is better and nicer to drive than an STI5 Type R, the STI5 Type R is better on those rare occasions you can really let rip on the road or preferably on the track.

If I was doing mostly road driving I'd choose the P1, the suspension and diff setup are a lot nicer to live with day to day. In an ideal world I'd have a P1 for the road and an STI5 Type R for trackdays.

Gary C

Ha, try driving an EVO 5 then !

had people jumping into the road to take pictures, constant swarms of lads in fwd hatches giving thumbs up. Stand out a lot more than a P1.

though that was when all EVO's were a lot rarer sight.

CyprusScooby

....well for a start all the STi extras and DCCD etc that you don't get on the P1!!!!!

CyprusScooby

You can't beat a 2 door Scoob for attention though! Even my mates in there Ecsort Cossie and Evo 6 get jealous with the fact that my STi5 Type-R gets more attention and turns more heads than there cars do!.....plus chicks love it!

Moley

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Shhh, don't say that on here, that makes your car a chav-car apparently!!!

Hepy

The thing about P1 threads is that they usually end up in a "My Type-R is better than your P1" or vice versa. That's the only reason I was "Yawning" at another P1 thread.
I've had a P1 for over 3 years and it's not missed a beat, touch wood
I always ran it on Optimax, and NF up until I got a remap. I still use NF sometimes if going for a spirited drive, which is very rare btw.

matt P1

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Boy
Same engine, same ecu except with even less knock protection so don't understand your point really....

And what does that with the engine

CyprusScooby

Nothing! But the Type-R comes out the box with more power!

Davey P

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How does that work then? Both cars have the same engines.

CyprusScooby

Apparently there are some things different. Somebody else will be able to tell you more than me. P1's came out the box with 275bhp (I'm led to believe) whilst the Type-R STi's are realistically anywhere between 300-315bhp (official figures were 280bhp). I had mine rolling road tested on 100octane and was running 330bhp standard.

CyprusScooby

I did read an official Prodrive article that said they downtuned the engine in some way. Something to do with the fueling issues I think.

Daniel-S

what a *******

CyprusScooby

What the f*cks your problem???
Theres no need for that!
Im certainly not slagging off P1's. I love 'em.

Daniel-S

oh okay then mate just i thought you were

mates?

p1mark

I totally understand people buying a type R over a P1 because its cheaper/it has more toys/its more hardcore etc.

Conversely buying a P1 cos its a UK car/it looks better/its a better day to day driver over a type R are all valid reasons.

If you buy a type R over a P1 because it has more power or its more reliable then you are away with the fairies

Its the same engine, ECU etc as confirmed by numerous mappers and Mike Wood on here recently.

CyprusScooby

The both look virtually the same anyway. I love the P1, but bought a Type-R cause it had more toys on it. Its just that little bit rarer. Mind you every normal person thinks its a P1 cause its a 2 door.

Stealth

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Sorry cyprus but there is no way on gods earth that a std STI V made 330bhp std, not a hope in hell!

PMSL @ Gary C........ Mate the Evo's look dated and square and they are god awful to drive!

All in all the P1 is the best EVER scoob, it has Everything that you would need and handles everything you put it through, you get the better car and it's worth the etc ££ over the type-R and a rebuild costs the same so there is no contest

All of these cars are going to fail sooner or later, tis the nature of the beast and the way they make people drive them, the only ways to prolong the life of any of these cars is :

Regular servicing
Proper warm up and cool down
No terminal velocity run..... keep her under 100mph and you are laughing or add a front mount !

CyprusScooby

[quote=Stealth]Sorry cyprus but there is no way on gods earth that a std STI V made 330bhp std, not a hope in hell!
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Sorry my mistake. My mates just reminded me that mine had a Cusco straight through exhaust when it was rolling road tested. Mind you Top Gear tested one way back on UK fuel that produced 318bhp STANDARD!