The Zohan

Only in 'Lewis Land' - its a bit like Disneyland but without the fun or amusements.
It has just one ride on which one elderly visitor sat in a a pink MX5 drives around in circles yelling at the top of his voice "Labour is great - what are you all complaining about?!?"
Funny and interesting for all of five seconds

Sadly for him no-one listens to his rantings anymore and have gone elsewhere!

Leslie

There goes PSL making yet another particularly biased and inaccurate statement about these self seeking and incompetent tossers who are pretending to run the country when in truth it is all falling about their ears!

The Conservatives turned the economy around after a deep world recession, which was not their fault of course. Flash inherited a strong economy which he has proceeded to **** against the wall for useless causes helped by the creation of a vast and useless bureaucracy which is costing us the earth and achieving nothing. Why did he sell off half our gold reserves at a knockdown price PSL? What will he do when the IMF refuses to lend him any more money as happened in Callaghan's time?

This load of control freaks are more interested in their own obscene salaries and enormous allowances and laying the foundations for repressive government and a police state. They do nothing of note for the electorate preferring to extract heavy taxation by stealth methods and give the money away to people who have done nothing to improve the economy of this country. They also allow the lefty PC plonkers into positions of power so that they can drag this country down the tubes with their totally irrational behaviour.

You can bluster and tell the opposite to the truth all you like PSL, but the fact is, the majority of the people are now wise to the lies and smoke and mirrors we have had to endure for the last nine years.

I wonder if you are able to respond without the childish and unpleasant insults you alwasy resort to when someone disagrees with you!

Suresh,

Disappointing to see your patronising remarks.

Les

Suresh

Les, I left the UK in 1993 when unemployment was 10%+ under the Tories. It was their fault actually, as was the housing market crash, black monday and negative equity. Just as the superior strength of the economy is NL's 'fault'. Take off your rise-tinteds - the Tory years were absolutely shocking and should never be repeated.

Just stating the obvious Les - there are exceptions to my generalisation, of course!

Leslie

Suresh,

Yes I fully agree that "Black Monday" was down to a serious mistake. I cannot say whether the unemployment at the time was down to Conservative policies or to greedy actions by the Unions. I well remember the strikes which were being called for the most ridiculous and grasping reasons which cost the country dear and generated the loss of jobs as well.

The economy was turned around however during the later Conservative Government and I certainly don't believe it is as strong at the moment. This country is living on credit at now which makes the economy look better than it really is. It looks great because of all the things people are buying on credit cards but if there is a recession, watch out! There will be negative equity in Spades! We are more heavily taxed than ever now and you only have to look at the things that this country really needs and which Flash will not pay for to be deeply suspicious of what is really happening.

Yes we are not all eligible to join Mensa, but I thought it was bad manners to mention it

Les

hedgehog

I have seen some interesting analysis of markets and economics which would indicate that the government of the day have no control at all over them and they merely thrash about trying to deal with the hand they have been given. Of course the various governments still get to decide how they spend any cash they have and it is decisions in this area that can impact upon us directly.

It will certainly be interesting to observe the Labour Party thrashing itself to death. I believe lots of questions are currently being asked about how Tony pays for all his houses. I also believe that the Hinduja brothers, who came to the UK in search of British passports, continue to maintain that they didn't give any money to the Labour Party but that this particular little episode may not be quite over yet. The inquiry also found, as I recall, that they didn't give any money to the Labour Party.

pslewis

For the THICK on SN:-

Election 2005

Final results:

LAB majority: 66

Labour 35.3%
Seats +/-
356 -45

Conservative 32.4%
Seats +/-
198 +35

Lib Dem 22.0%
Seats +/-
62 +8

Others 10.4%
Seats +/-
30 +2

Still to declare: 0

A HIGHER % voted FOR Labour ................. END OF STORY!!!!

And we have a long time until the next failure of the Tories ..... led by Blair MK2!!

Ha Ha Ha Ha - Haven't a HOPE IN HELL!!!

Pete

pslewis

YOU clearly DO!!

Pete

pslewis

Since starting work at 15 I have NEVER been out of work - you are a lazy git!!!

Oh, yes, and you talk absolute rubbish!!

Pete

Petem95

So you've been doing your paper-round a full year now then?

I dont care if its "crash" Gordon or BLiar at the helm of Labour - I just want Labour out and anyone else in who can put some sustainable policies in place.

Selling houses to each other for ever-increasing amounts of borrowed money, and then borrowing against these inflated values to spend on cars on holidays is really not a sustainable way to prop up the economy.

People seem to forget Brown has stolen billions from pension funds, which as a result will shaft a hell of a lot of peoples retirement. Hes also sold off over half of the UK's gold reserves - the price of gold has more than doubled since - great move there GB

I would liken Labours governing to someone either borrowing £20k a year, or spending their savings to live a lifestyle they cant really afford. It might look impressive for a short while, but is it sustainable?...

pslewis

And used them to lift children out of poverty! Hmmmm, nasty man - taking from the loaded to give to the needy .... wicked, evil, man!!

usual garbage spoken by the usual people

Pete

SD

My point still stands. That article comes from nearly two weeks after the last general election, about changes happening in the future.

douglasb

For the thick of pslewis -

On the figures you've given (which I am quite happy to believe are true and are not a "pslewis says that Tony is wonderful and that the sun shines out of his ****") Labour got 356 seats with 35.3% of the vote and the Tories got 198 seats with 32.4%.

There are 646 seats up for grabs. 35.3% of the vote implies 228 seats (therefore Labour have 128 seats more than the share of the vote that they have). 32.4% of the vote suggests 209 seats (therefore the Tories have 11 seats less than their share of the vote suggests). I'm not disagreeing that Labour got more votes at the last General Election than any other individual party (although a majority of those who voted - 64.7% - did not vote Labour) but there seems to be a bit of a pro-Labour bias in how the constituency boundaries are framed.

Please explain this (and if you use any phrases such as "It doesn't matter because we have the greatest leader of all time" or "My tongue is stuck so far up Billy Liar's **** that I can't see the truth for a couple of cheeks", we all know exactly how seriously to take your contribution - but we do that anyway.)

pslewis

A higher % voted FOR Labour than did Tory is my point ..... that, to me, is a majority.

You, in the minority, shut up!!!

Pete

Leslie

As I said, all PSL can do is either to insult those who do not agree with him, or to state a bunch of meaningless figures which signify nothing as far as NL's ability to run a country is concerned.

I notice that he is completely unable to refute the facts which have been stated about the inablity of this sorry bunch of self seeking incompetents to actually do anything significant for the electorate.!

Les

SJ_Skyline

The have done significant things to the electorate - they have taxed them from here to the moon and back!

With regards the poll, No I don't want to see Gordon Brown as the next prime minister. I would rather see him chainsawed in half live on TV for his multiple sins.

pslewis

Here's 50 reasons why Labour are more than able to run a country!!

As You CONSTANTLY IGNORE!!

50 achievements since being elected in 1997:

1. Lowest inflation since the 60s
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage
4. Record police numbers in England and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties
11. 77,500 more nurses
12. 19,300 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Banned anti-personnel mines
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice at any time
18. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms
20. Equalised the age of consent for gay men
21. Free entry to all national museums and galleries
22. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
23. Restored city-wide government to London
24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
25. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
26. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways
29. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
30. Over 28,000 more teachers in England schools
31. Implemented the Freedom of Information Act
32. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
33. Record rises in the state pension
34. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
35. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
36. Banned handguns
37. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
38. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
39. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
40. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
41. Record police numbers in Scotland
42. Implemented the Human Rights Act
43. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
44. Free TV licences for over-75s
45. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
46. Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations
47. Free local bus travel for the over-60s and the disabled in Wales and Scotland
48. Record number of students in higher education
49. Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality
50. Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less

FANTASTIC compared to the very poor Tories!!

And why they will win again, and again, and again!!!!

Pete

shaunywrx

And if you actually believe all thats true Pete, you are as stupid as some people on here say you are!

douglasb

35.3% voted Labour, therefore 64.7% didn't. As I didn't vote Labour I reckon that that puts me in the majority.

You, in the minority, shut up!!!

SD

OK Lewis:

1. Lowest inflation since the 60s - Using bodged figures and an unrealistic basket. Doesn't take into account house price inflation...
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years - But record unaffordable mortgage repayments due to high house prices. In some areas _average_ house prices are 10 times the national average wage!
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage - Faie enough
4. Record police numbers in England and Wales - To fill out all that lovely paperwork and red tape
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent - Recorded crime maybe? Lots of crime goes unreported (I speak from experience) because you know the police will do bugger all about it.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools - That's easy. Just lower the benchmarks.
7. Best-ever primary school results - Ditto
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08 - OK
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years - Pah. Don't tell me you really swallow this bollocks? Those who don't 'officially' make it on to the unemployed figures are many many more...
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties - So lovely corrupt dictatorships can buy more gold played limos. Not the best way to tackle the core issue here at all.
11. 77,500 more nurses - Hmmm.
12. 19,300 more doctors - Again, hmmm.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards - OK.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament - So what? Not necesarily a good thing.
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly - Ditto.
16. Banned anti-personnel mines - Best thing on the list
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice at any time - Had to use them a few times. Felt more comfotable with the advice I subsequently gleaned from the internet...
18. New Deal - helped over a million people into work - For a week, at which point they disappear from the unemployment figures for 6 months. How convenient. Loads of 'new deal' people then quit soon after...
19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms - Absolute bullcrap. Else the council tax wouldn't have doubled in real terms since '97!
20. Equalised the age of consent for gay men - OK.
21. Free entry to all national museums and galleries - Fine.
22. Overseas aid budget more than doubled - I refer you to point 10
23. Restored city-wide government to London - Ooh, whoppee. Ken Livingstone.
24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997 - Children are a lifestyle choice. If you can't afford them, don't have them.
25. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households - Sounds like something I'd spray on my damp ignition leads.
26. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission - Who's job it is to ensure that the home I'm building for ME and MY FAMILY to live in has power sockets 3 feet of the floor and light switches on the skirting board FFS.
27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s - Because of guilt over the incease in council tax caused by the labour government
28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways - Privately funded though isn't it?
29. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland - Historic for some.
30. Over 28,000 more teachers in England schools - OK
31. Implemented the Freedom of Information Act - Which works great appart from when it doesn't suit the government department that you're applying for information from
32. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday - Ok
33. Record rises in the state pension - Fine
34. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty - Define 'relative poverty'. Oh look, the government set the targets and then clap themselves when they hit it. There's a surprise.
35. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents - Point 10
36. Banned handguns - Good.
37. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent - By sticking in the New Deal, which doesn't work for many and they disappear from the radar for 6 months
38. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales - Point 10
39. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school - Big deal
40. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales - Big deal
41. Record police numbers in Scotland - Gone up from 5 to 7 police, and two of those are part time.
42. Implemented the Human Rights Act - And presided over criminals walking free as the colour of their cell contradicted their 'human rights'.
43. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution - At which point it was better than now.
44. Free TV licences for over-75s - Try not raising it over and above inflation in the first place
45. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals - OK
46. Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations - <cough>bull****<cough> And how long is it to GET ONTO the waiting list?????
47. Free local bus travel for the over-60s and the disabled in Wales and Scotland - So the buses are more difficult to get on for the commuters who pay for them.
48. Record number of students in higher education - Doing degrees in 'media studies' and 'carpet management'
49. Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality - Just ask the Hinduji brothers
50. Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less - Not everywhere it's not.

unclebuck

Interest rates are going to start to rise on Thursday. Then we'll see who's so fabulously wealthy.

Tony's party is over (he'll be off after the World Cup) and the country is about to go to hell in a hand cart under Brown's 'rule'.

unclebuck

Far more stupid than you can begin to imagine.

Leslie

Thanks for saving me the trouble SD

PSL is all smoke and mirrors!

Les

watto52

is psl tony blair?

SD

No probs Leslie. You seem to be a fountain of common sense and reason on here. I wonder where PSL copy and pasted that list from...

Suresh

No.
The UK inflation measure is according to an international standard. Which means comparisons between countries and different financial periods are possible. If I can remind you that our friends the Tories altered the measurement method 18 times in as many years. Labour altered it once - to switch to the standardised method. Given your first point is based on nonsense I will not be bothering with the rest of your uninformed rant.

pslewis

I really hope so ..... I WANT 10% Interest Rates!!!

Not only will my savings increase nicely .... I will be able to buy up some more housing stock - then in 10 years when the cycle returns I shall sell and make a million or more

Oh YES!!! Bring it ON!!

Pete

SD

Not really the preachings of a socialist there Pete...? Oh, I forgot, more in line with a New Labour socialist. Bet you had a private school education and play croquet on the weekends don't you ...

And Suresh, just because the inflation figure is based on some international standard DOES NOT counter any of my argument. It is still not seen by many as a realistic true indicator of inflation, and as it ignores house price inflation (people's largest expense) is largely useless. Try again. I'll give you time for Pete to e-mail you your next response of course.

Vegescoob

I doubt that.
He might be a certain Norman Barrett or at least see himself as of that ilk.

shaunywrx

11. 77,500 more nurses - Hmmm.
Hmmm, indeed, that's why some hospital trust's are now making nurse's redundant, like theres not enough work for them.

Leslie

So it is greed that drives you then PSL!

Les