Torque 2 much

what makes someone british,any comments,religion,colour,etc etc

Turbohot

Dont they say something like that" While in Rome,do as Romans do"?
Yes,we should be embracing the culture and the way of life,of the country we live in.We must integrate and exchange.People can not just come here for financial benefit,talk about being a down-trodden minority and start bombing the place for their own gain
Absolutely disgusting!

Ethnic communities tend to stick to their own kind.There are psychological and cultural reasons for that.But times comes when they are to get out of their shell and integrate positively,rather than attacking every building they come across.

Minority in any country will be questioned and face some hardship.If you were in Pakistan or India,you will know.My partner( white,Welsh) had to go through stricter immigration checks at Indian airport due to his race.This can be called discrimination too!

stilover

Well, I don't think the police officer just shot the guy for nothing. They raided the house, and would have clearly shouted "Police". If this guy then decides to make a run for it, or went to pick something up, the officer would have had no choice but to open fire. He shot 1 round, and hit the guy in the shoulder. That's good shooting. He stopped the guy from A) running away or B) Producing a potential firearm, and shooting the office or his colleagues. What was he supposed to do? Let the guy escape? Let the guy produce a firearm and let himself get shot? He obviously took the action he deemed necessary in a split second decision. An American cop might have just shot him dead !!

How would you feel if they'd let him escape, and it turn out he is a terrorist? How would you feel if he then killed people by whatever means???

Before you start defending your Muslim Brothers for the sake of it, let the police do there job, and wait for the results of the investigation. I'm sure if proved they are not terrorists, they'll sue for all they can get.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Being born to native British parents makes you British, you can be born anywhere and still be British.

All these Muslims seem hard done by and get all defensive and arsey when criticised but the fact is most of the terrorist acts carried out are carried out by Muslims. (note I said most not all)

They complain about the way our police handle them but has anyone stopped to ask them how Muslim police in a Muslim country would handle a westerner if they decided to pop over to a Muslim country and blow it up?

I am sure they would not be treated under the Geneva Convention or anything similar, they will be beaten, tortured and ultimately executed at a rough guess.

Also has anyone bothered to ask why Muslims feel the need to come over to the UK and feel compeled to blow it up, if they don't like the way we live then don't live in the UK it is as simple as that.

As for that Brit woman, she converted to Islam and became a Muslim her family didn't.

Muslims seem to have problems living with each other in their own countries aswell, just look at all the chaos and killing going on in Iraq and Afganistan, they can't even decide on a government, someone gets elected then someone else blows them up so they need to start again, there will never be peace in these countries because it appears that they do not want peace or to just get on with each other, there will always be tit for tat revenge killings, the sooner they all kill each other the better.

Turbohot

I know.All muslims aren't terrorists.If the crimes are repeated from certain members of the race,the whole race comes into question.Specially, if there are religious beliefs involved behind such motive.Such cultures tend to breathe their religion.The mob support to such beliefs doesn't help.Neither does the media.I remember seeing that Muslim spokesman from some mosque down South,aroud London bombing.He said that the real Muslim will never support something like that and,the religion will never allow such barbaric act.
But that was only one clip!
Why not come forward as an activist and cover all the newspapers with your positive thoughts and co-operation to the UK police? I think that will be a brick in the foundation,to start re-building the trust!

AudiLover

stupid ****ing muslims. So she got kidnapped and indoctrinated by theyre bull****, stupid *****. Talk about being brainwashed.

Reality

Looks like we are soon to have two innocents shot (wait to see if they find anything at the recent shooting) and 4 actual terrorists being looked after at her Majesty's pleasure (remember the ones who where tazered when cornered - not SHOT).

The Police are shooting innocents and capturing terrorist (the ones that don't actually blow themselves up).

You're happy with this situation are you ?

Torque 2 much

Torque 2 much

Wurzel
situations in those countries are creatated by USA AND UK

stevencotton

You talk such crap. Turn your computer off.

messiah

Stockholm Syndrome maybe?

I dont mind Johnny Foreigner coming over when they're here to embrace our culture - its when they try to turn it into a mini-version of their orignal country that gets my goat.

If their original country was so great why leave it? Muslims seem to alienate themselves then blame everyone else for it - exactly who was it that set up a Muslim Boy Scout's unit a fe weeks ago? I doubt he was "British" - how the hell do they expect to achieve the integration they harp on about when they do things like that?

It's annoying that the police in some areas are now banning people from putting up england flags for the world cup in case it offends someone. In that case can all Americans take down their Star & Stripes before I visit New York In march please?

TheBigMan

"Mentality". That defines Bristish(ness).

Muslims by their very own definition are not British, you can wrap it up and be pedantic all you like with "British Muslim, with a hint of this and a hint that etc" but the cut and dry of it is they are not British.

I'm not saying they are any better nor any worse than non Muslims; however being a Muslim is not British. Though, in time the British culture of this country willl be watered down to the extent that British can be assigned to any race, colour, creed or religious leaning. Is this a good thing? No, as we are ALL losing our identity. Whites, non-whites, religious or not. EVERYBODY is losing their identity.

I'm all for integration and diversity however there should be some sort of limit. No particular race is to blame - it's a simple case that as in England, mass diversity causes major problems, hatred and issues just like in other contries with extermely high levels of ethnic diversity.........This thread, and many others like it are evidence enough.

We should have listened to Enoch Powell. whether he was racist or not, he was right.....weren't he.

KiwiGTI

I've seen you talk some rubbish on this site but that is one of the first things that I agree wholeheartedly with.

Muslims are stupid for believing in what they believe, but even stupider are the non-Muslims that stick up for them and make excuses. They are the ones that are brainwashed into believing that 2 cultures developed over thousands of years can suddenly live together in peace and harmony. And they are the ones that believe that Islam is just a peaceful religion with only a few nutters causing the problems.

Leslie

Of course the Police were right to carry out the raid when they were given what was stated to be reliable information about a dangerous item being in existence.

We do not know how the man got shot but the IPPC was on the spot quicker than lightning of course, while the Police were still trying to investigate etc., and we will eventually find out the truth about that. Certainly wrong to criticise the Police at this stage.

All the fuss being made about the Police actions is misplaced at the moment.

Les

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Bring back the crusades

MJW

I read somewhere that apparantly the armed cop's weapon discharged due to him wearing thick NBC gloves - not really ideal considering how light the trigger is on a Heckler & Koch G36. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen ...

OllyK

Although I used to hate firing a weapon with any kind of gloves, a pair of black marigolds over thin cotton inners hardly constitutes "thick", and it certainly isn't a valid excuse for a ND.

wez_sti

I am tolerant of a beliefs and religions, and definitely am not a racist, but...

Why is it that a cartoon of their leader being published leads to riots across Europe, people being threatened, 100's of arrests & several buildings being burnt down....

But several members of THEIR faith killing more than 50 perfectly innocent civilians (including some Muslims) goes by without even a glimmer of protest from the more sensible Muslims in Europe???

Always ready to play the victim, don’t give a **** about anyone other than yourselves is the impression you give and you wonder why tolerance for your faith is shrinking fast??? I am actually surprised by the tolerance that has been shown thus far!

I don’t encourage it but it’s only a matter of time before others have had enough and all your precious Temples are burnt to the ground.


If their was a group of blonde terrorists going round blowing people up, I’m sure all blondes would be looked at a bit differently, its human nature.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Was thinking the same! thing NBC gloves eh! we used to just get the black marigolds and cotton inners aswell, even if he had NI gloves on they are not thick enough to cause an ND, also why did he not have his safety on? never fired an HK but all the weapons I did fire had the safety just a thumb click away, even in the aim you just flicked the safety off with your thumb.

lozgti

Thought his brother shot him accidently? Or should I not believe the News of the World

Duck_Pond

I have to agree with some of what wez_sti says.

For example, the Sept 11th attacks were horrific but while a number of Muslim leaders condemned them, there was no obvious reaction from the majority in a show of overall disapproval. One incident stuck in mind when 2 Muslim workers decided to throw some paper planes during the minute silence at the Land Rover plant, yet weren't allowed to be sacked, for fear of racist accusations.

Yet some (tbh) harmless cartoons give rise to riots, and ludicrously the loss of human liife.

It also concerns me that despite the fact that the state of Iraq is down to Bush's eagerness to retain cheap oil, (or did God tell him to go in?) there seems to be an awful lot of civil unrest there. Muslims killing fellow Muslims, with the "evil West" struggling to protect the public and themselves.

It does beg the question that in countries where Muslims are the majority, is the only effective way of retaining "peace" by means of a draconian tyranny?

As far as I'm concerned, in order to get respect, you need to demonstrate it towards the people you want it back from. At the moment, that's not going to happen without some serious changes in integration.

Edcase

Another ignorant comment.

90% of the daily violence in Iraq is sectarian - Sunni vs Shia, Muslim killing Muslim.

So much for being a peaceful religion

lordretsudo

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read. You think the shi'ite majority loved the sunni minority under Saddam? Of course not; they just didn't dare step out of line. The removal of Saddam by the US/UK precipitated the situation, but it would have happened eventually regardless. Perhaps you think what happened in Yugoslavia in the early 90's was down to the US/UK also, hmm?

There are *so* many countries that have the same problem with muslims not able to live alongside other cultures - former Soviet countries, Kashmir, Bangladesh, Sudan, Algeria, Nigeria, East Timor, etc, and that's without mentioning the countries where different types of muslim can't get along with each other, never mind other races/religions.

I'm not anti-muslim, but I am anti- anyone who doesn't like freedom of speech and who isn't prepared to embrace the culture of a country they choose to live in (and are usually more than happy to claim benefits from).

Torque 2 much

These same sunni,s and shia where living there before USA AND UK went in,they were not killing each other than ,now USA has devided them in groups,the day you understand politics you,ll be dangerous

Reality

Are you 10 or 12 years old ?

Edcase

Genius mate, well done. Someone call Paxman

AllanB

This just makes me laugh why the hell do you think a small percantage of the Muslim commuity resort to such means ot be heard. Is this not in any way similar the what has happened in the past where persecuted people have tried to be heard.

I think if you've ever been on the receiving end of bad police behaviour as I have then you would really know how much it would make you loathe and distrust the police.

Unfortunately labelling all Muslims as potential terrorists is no different to labelleing all Police thick, thuggish, racists. I'm sure its true in a tiny percentage of each community and drawing generalisations about someones behaviour by relation to another person is the very root of racism and prejudice, to pre judge.

Each person is a person so lets not generalise here. I certianly didn't see this kind of witch hunt against people with gingery hair and a Belfast accent when the IRA were trying to kill me and my family by blowing up various bits of London. Lets not delude ourselves here, the media is whipping up an undercurrent of prejudice against any culture we don't understand, thats new to us.


AllanB

Dracoro

Don't forget the Catholics too. And the protestants and so on.


And since when have muslims been a 'race'??? they are as much a 'race' as christians, athiests etc.

Anyway, stories like these are there to get stupid people up in arms (just see some people on this thread!). Stupid muslims and stupid non-muslims begin over vocal and not thinking and over-reacting to SN and tabloid headlines.

22BUK

During the seventies when the IRA bombings were happening in London, the government made plans to deport everybody of Irish descent.
Maybe they should start planning again...