Maz

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Yup 'Shock and Awe', as countless innocent men, women and children die.

Vegescoob

This interests me, for Blair is, in effect, condoning a death sentence in this case.
Something he, I suspect, would never condone in the UK.
Harold Shipman, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West, Ian Huntley, the list goes on.
If I, in this country, beheaded a number of people I would not receive a death sentence. I would have numerous lawyers and professionals attempting to explain my actions.
Is Blair therefore a hypocrite?

jonc

My point exactly!! not to mention all the other "accidents"!!

unclebuck

Do Bears sh*t in the woods?


Good point BTW Prepare for the first UK muslim beheadings where those responsible are freed from prison on 'human rights' grounds.

lordretsudo

Surprised no-one else has picked up on this typically inane comment. Iraq maybe, but Afghanistan?! So you wouldn't consider the 9/11 attacks, not to mention various other al-qaeda attacks around the world, fair grounds for invading Afghanistan and removing the Taliban? You are presumably aware that the Taliban were shielding/sponsoring Bin Laden and al-Qaeda at the time of these attacks? Never mind that fact that they were completely nuts, wanted to take the world back to the stone age and were generally completely deserving of what happened to them.

I just wish that rather than the Iraq debacle, we had maintained a proper military presence in Afghanistan and sorted out its problems once and for all. It would have done the US/UK a lot of good in the eyes of other moderate muslim countries I think, instead of the harm Iraq has done.

judgejules

The current sh*t going on in the world today has nothing, zero, zippo to do with religion. Religion is just being used by those with power and influence to manipulate the weak minded sheep that do the dirty work.

Mr Bin Lid was "created" (paid for, funded, whatever you want to call it) by the US and its allies during the cold war back in the 70's to p*ss off the Russians in, wait for it, Afghanistan *gasp*. Mr Lid set up the mujahadeen back then as a resistance group to do the dirty work for the US in return for $$$. Iraq p*ssed off the world by invading Kuwait back in 1990 which really was a silly thing to do but the US/Allies probably worked that one out in their favour as an excuse to use up all its aging stockpiles of bombs & DU rounds (depleted uranium) that were close to their kill/use by date.

Sooooo, US/Allies stick their flag up in Kuwait, and p*ss Bin Lid off. Bin Lid claims its to do with the US/Allies camping out in the mother land but I think he's just lost the plot. He's lost all his assets in Saudi ($250m+), been stripped of his titles (problems with saudi monarchy) and is probably thinking, screw this, Im going to bite the hand that fed me as I've nothing else to lose. So he decides to cause problems in Afganistan where if you remember the US/Allies paid for him to camp out. Ohh the irony, now the US/Allies have to sort out another fine mess, the old war machine rolls out and everyone is happy (read as, war = win for economy).

I could go on and on about this and bring it right up to date adding in Al-Queers, but honestly I cant be arsed. I hope you've got the point here, the current situation with Bin Lid, Al-Queers and the rest of them has allllllll been caused by the US/Allies, and now its coming back to haunt them. Needless to say, religion doesnt cause war any more, money/oil/power does.

Jules

PS. I'm not anti-american, anti-uk, anti-war, anti-xyz race, I just hate politicians & corrupt government and I pray to whatever God you choose that they'd just sort it the f*ck out.

r32

Sad in a way, as deep down he was probably a real nice bloke. He may have suffered as a child or been molested in some way.
Had he turned up here he could have had asylum.

MJW

So you accuse me of posting an inane comment, yet agree with half of it ? No, I don't think the 9/11 atrocities were a good enough reason to install a puppet government in a country whose rule doesn't extend beyond the boundaries of Kabul. Afghanistan is now nearer to the stone age than it ever was before - local warlords rule the outlying regions and opium production is at an all time high. There is still a large military presence in Afghanistan and it is not getting the problems sorted, just exacerbating them, as the recent upsurge in violence has proved.

Geezer

The Americans have a habit of creating monsters that haunt the world.

After Mussolini had effectively got rid of the Mafia during the 20s & 30s, they were re-instated by the US after Italy's liberation to help keep law and order.

They have continually backed Israel no matter what they do, alienating much of the middle east in the process.

As previously stated, Bin Liner was shored up by the US in the 80s.

Hussein was their love child when he was fighting Iran in the 80s.

The US is to blame for alot of the troubles in the world, and people wonder why terrorist fly planes in to them and cut off their citizens heads??!?!?!?

I don't condone the actions of Al Qaeda, but it's easy to see why we are in this state. It's simply a war between various factions and the US, just not a traditional war where battles between large armies are fought. The 'innocents' are fair game, don't forget the allied carpet bombing of Germany in 1945. They were already defeated, but we killed the population in their thousands to teach them that they would pay a terrible price if they ever did it again. This is not conjecture either, this has been admitted in records released about war policy and diaries of Bomber Harris.

Al Qaeda is simply doing the same thing, it's telling us to force our leaders to stop, or we pay a price. Unpleasant, but there it is.

Geezer

jonc

Typical of western media and government propaganda, an Islamic fundamentalist blows up a building, all of Islam gets tarred as terrorists. A Christian blows up a building and that terrorists belongs to a "cult", either that or religion is not even mentioned, eg Waco, Oklahoma bombing.

Is the world a safer and more stable place since the war? IMO a big NO. Bush and Blair were hoping to go in, remove Sadam, secure the oil pipeline and then move out (very generalistic I know), but things have spiralled out of control. What they didn't expect is the current situation the countries are now in and finding it increasingly difficult to pull their forces out. The installation of a new government has not as "smoothly" as in Afganistan. Its been over 3 years since bush declared "mission accomplished!" and officially ended "major military operation" in Iraq.

Brendan Hughes

130 000 troops in Iraq, but they still can't find the person responsible for the 9/11 bombings in Afghanistan. Wonder why?

wez_sti

I think if they'd of protested because of the bombings we'd of known about it.

What non-Muslims find hard to understand is why Muslims will protest in their thousands because of something like a cartoon but not when thousands of innocent people are murdered in the name of Islam....??

seem to have their priorities all back to front

Fuzz

Who cares about all th Islam chit chat...

Where's the dam video.


Andy

Chip Sengravy

Halal pig's ****, yes?

Fuzz

They've all been going on about it at work today and were all and then at the second bomb.

for two 500lb bombs he cleaned up rather well by all accounts :
Looked like he'd been in a fight


Nothing on google video


Andy

Leslie

I congratulate both Einstein and judgejules for their posts which are what I reckon to be an accurate description of the facts.

Of course Billy will take the credit, he is hanging on by his fingertips anyway!

Les

New_scooby_04

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Sorry Andy, Mum taped over it with Eastenders!!

Ns04