Racism and the law
16 June 2006, 12:31 PM
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I slept soundly too 
What you still havent answered is wether Englishman is offensive or racist ?
I would like to know, perhaps you could find out and let us all know if we are still allowed to say Englishman, Irishman etc
I certainly dont know, like I didnt know about chinaman, a quick google shows it is terminology for some things (cricket I believe) also there are books called Chinaman etc etc etc
Yes they are not in the context I used it in
My last name rhymes with an offensive word (to some, mostly women) I get called it a lot, it doesnt bother me as it is all done in the context it is meant (very poor humour)
You have your opinions, and are entitled them, as am I, like you said, I did apolgise, as my uneducated naivety has shown that I was incorrect in the poor attempt at humour based on a person's nationality, and for that and any offence caused I apologise for
Steve
What you still havent answered is wether Englishman is offensive or racist ?
I would like to know, perhaps you could find out and let us all know if we are still allowed to say Englishman, Irishman etc
I certainly dont know, like I didnt know about chinaman, a quick google shows it is terminology for some things (cricket I believe) also there are books called Chinaman etc etc etc
Yes they are not in the context I used it in
My last name rhymes with an offensive word (to some, mostly women) I get called it a lot, it doesnt bother me as it is all done in the context it is meant (very poor humour)
You have your opinions, and are entitled them, as am I, like you said, I did apolgise, as my uneducated naivety has shown that I was incorrect in the poor attempt at humour based on a person's nationality, and for that and any offence caused I apologise for
Steve
16 June 2006, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
You directed this at me in Policy on a thread that had nothing to do with the thread that got vaped
That to me was completly unjustified, but you chose to get on your high horse and have a go at me about it
Like I have said in the PM, which you havent responded to, Im happy to give you my personal details so we can discuss this court appearance further
Steve
That to me was completly unjustified, but you chose to get on your high horse and have a go at me about it
Like I have said in the PM, which you havent responded to, Im happy to give you my personal details so we can discuss this court appearance further
Steve
My misunderstanding by posting on an old thread resulted in you saying you had no idea what I was talking about. My response was to invite you to 'join' me in court to see that racist language was all of the things I have described which can be seen in court as cases are prosecuted.
16 June 2006, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
You have your opinions, and are entitled them, as am I, like you said, I did apolgise, as my uneducated naivety has shown that I was incorrect in the poor attempt at humour based on a person's nationality, and for that and any offence caused I apologise for
Steve
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.Me - I aim to offend and only ever apologise if the "offended" person is really really upset
16 June 2006, 12:36 PM
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That wasnt how I read it last night, maybe I was too tired, maybe I was annoyed at your posts on something entirely different
I didnt see the thread this morning that has subsequently been removed, so if you had responded on it, I never saw it
Anyway im off to have some real life now, for the next few weeks
have a good day
I didnt see the thread this morning that has subsequently been removed, so if you had responded on it, I never saw it
Anyway im off to have some real life now, for the next few weeks
have a good day
16 June 2006, 12:43 PM
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Technically, if you're doing a comparison using the term Englishman, you ought to use Chineseman.
And I'm not offended by the Nottingham greeting, btw... more worried about the strange folk with white-wheeled cars, that live there
And I'm not offended by the Nottingham greeting, btw... more worried about the strange folk with white-wheeled cars, that live there
16 June 2006, 12:47 PM
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I am chinese and recently I mentioned that calling me a ***** wasn't a favourable word because the meaning of slit only referred to Chinese people because of their eyes.
I did it by PM the other user but I knew the person didn't mean it offensively. Basically they didn't know it as being offensive.
If someone was to call me it in a threatening manner then I wouldn't find it hard to tolerate.
I think the law behind it a little over the top for a forum but racial name calling or anything which offends someone should be stopped on respect to the other party if it bothers them so much.
I did it by PM the other user but I knew the person didn't mean it offensively. Basically they didn't know it as being offensive.
If someone was to call me it in a threatening manner then I wouldn't find it hard to tolerate.
I think the law behind it a little over the top for a forum but racial name calling or anything which offends someone should be stopped on respect to the other party if it bothers them so much.
16 June 2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
What you still havent answered is wether Englishman is offensive or racist ?
The difference I would suggest is that the derogoratory nature of the use of 'chinaman' is well documented as it has a specific historical context. This dates back to the 19th century. This is reflected in most definitions as you will know if you have been searching on Google.
I am not sure that Englishman has a similar history and so the burden of proof would be greater.
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16 June 2006, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
By strict definition if you found someone (of another race) calling you an Englishman exclusive or offensive then by the definition of the law it could be tested for being offensive or racist.
The difference I would suggest is that the derogoratory nature of the use of 'chinaman' is well documented as it has a specific historical context. This dates back to the 19th century. This is reflected in most definitions as you will know if you have been searching on Google.
I am not sure that Englishman has a similar history and so the burden of proof would be greater.
Rannoch
The difference I would suggest is that the derogoratory nature of the use of 'chinaman' is well documented as it has a specific historical context. This dates back to the 19th century. This is reflected in most definitions as you will know if you have been searching on Google.
I am not sure that Englishman has a similar history and so the burden of proof would be greater.
Rannoch
16 June 2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck_Pond
And I'm not offended by the Nottingham greeting, btw... more worried about the strange folk with white-wheeled cars, that live there
16 June 2006, 12:53 PM
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16 June 2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
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16 June 2006, 12:58 PM
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Rannoch, what is your ethnic background?
I've been in England all my life and racism was a big thing over 15 years ago but nowadays, i never hear it or get any abuse. I think things have change alot.
I've been in England all my life and racism was a big thing over 15 years ago but nowadays, i never hear it or get any abuse. I think things have change alot.
16 June 2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alwong
Rannoch, what is your ethnic background?
I've been in England all my life and racism was a big thing over 15 years ago but nowadays, i never hear it or get any abuse. I think things have change alot.
I've been in England all my life and racism was a big thing over 15 years ago but nowadays, i never hear it or get any abuse. I think things have change alot.
16 June 2006, 01:00 PM
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I am very light my dear friend. Maybe you should lighten up.
Whether I find something personally offensive and whether something is racist is not mutually inclusive.
I do think it is racist, I am not personally sensitive to it.
Rannoch
Whether I find something personally offensive and whether something is racist is not mutually inclusive.
I do think it is racist, I am not personally sensitive to it.
Rannoch
16 June 2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
I am very light my dear friend. Maybe you should lighten up.
Whether I find something personally offensive and whether something is racist is not mutually inclusive.
I do think it is racist, I am not personally sensitive to it.
Rannoch
Whether I find something personally offensive and whether something is racist is not mutually inclusive.
I do think it is racist, I am not personally sensitive to it.
Rannoch
16 June 2006, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
I am very light my dear friend. Maybe you should lighten up.
Whether I find something personally offensive and whether something is racist is not mutually inclusive.
I do think it is racist, I am not personally sensitive to it.
Rannoch
Whether I find something personally offensive and whether something is racist is not mutually inclusive.
I do think it is racist, I am not personally sensitive to it.
Rannoch
