Adam M

they are not unrelated, not on this website at least.

We have impreza owners tarring the image of the car when it can be shown they have relatively no taste themselves, their opinion is therefore less valuable!

I have had imprezas for over 7 years, I have been on this site since the old old old shape was out, I am not anti impreza, but I think its a bit rich to make a joke of the TTs image and use it as a deciding factor in buying a car when those casting dispersions were immune to the image their own car has.

By stating to these same people that their own opinion on image is in question, I am defending it against the statements made on this same thread.

You clearly don't appreciate that image is subjective, therefore the impreza or TT having their own thread on a subaru website when most of the readers are subaru owners/fans is fairly pointless.

JTaylor

Just called her. She said you were a very good listener and great around the house. She said the "lack of intimacy" was frustrating, but put this down to you "just being a gentleman".

Anyway, enjoy the car.

Adam M

guys, to answer the question, i think I am one of the only people who has driven over 5000 miles in both cars, therefore when the question comes up I can give an answer for genuine experience.

diablo, thanks for the info on the fwd/rwd thing, was hoping they would address that and it sounds as though they havent.

Haven't seen any reviews on the new one yet to learn.

As for the 3.2, it is a weight thing, and the fact that the 1.8t is such a great engine, I just can't justify the lack of tunability and performance and in the increase in weight of the NA versus the FI.

Marky9074

I cant believe you made me go and sort through all my Subaru nostalga from the last ten years....

'AutoCar 29 July 1998'

The Great Debate - What makes the best handling car

Five cars tested - BMW M3 / Lotus Elise / Peugeot 306 GTi-6 / Porche 911 / Subaru Impreza

CONCLUSION - Fascinating line-up produced fasciniating set of results: Elise and 911 ended up in the dog house, M3 and 306 results predictable, Subaru ruled supreme

.......Mark

Apologies for the mistake it was the 911 not the Boxter, which makes the classic even better IMHO

JTaylor

Well Autocar were wrong. The Elise et al handle, the Impreza grips.

Marky9074

Arent you deviating from my original point that other marques have moved forward and the Impreza hasnt?

JTaylor

Possibly, but that doesn't detract from the accuracy of my riposte.

Rabid

There's some sort of logic there but damned if I can find it.

Comparative argument:-

Just because I'm a serial killer doesn't mean I can't recognise a murder scene when I see one.

If you could be realistic for just one second then you'd realise that these stereotypes exist for a reason. Largely because they are true in many people's minds.

As it happens 2 or 3 cars ago I thought about buying a TT and the comments I got from a range of people with varying levels of car 'nouse' were these.

"what do you want one of those for, they are for estate agents"

"that's a girls car"

"they were allright, when they came out, now everyone's got one"

etc etc

Of course I didn't let that put me off buying one, what put me off was the fact I didn't feel it offered enough fun for the other compromises it demanded.

Adam M

flawed logic once again!

bmw drivers are generally regarded as w@nkers, by your reckoning, where there is smoke there is fire so in general you must be a w@nker to drive one.

Same goes for a ferrari.

It seems the consensus fits you into a mould and an image forms for that car.

Tell me, how many people of the people that form these stereo types know anything about cars? the answer is very few.

I faced a lot of criticism for driving an mx5 but anyone who knows anything about cars will confirm it is one of the finest handling and best value cars money can buy.

These same people will tell you what they do about the TT.

The fact remains a question is being asked about a car popular because of its mould braking styling on a website dedicated to people who make a point of not choosing a car for its styling.

It is then hypocritical to hear it brandished a hair dressers car because of its styling.

I repeat, I would rather be a hairdresser with an appreciation of style and quality, than a low rent low class chav with a burberry hat, lexus lights and neons.

Duck_Pond

Not all Lexus drivers are chavs though

Rabid

I don't drive a BMW anymore, it went back when the lease ran out. I would though agree the stereotype of the prattish, selfish, ******* of a BMW driver does seem to generally apply. Particularly when they are behind the wheel of an X5.

Stereotypes are formed by everyone, whatever their level of car knowledge.
For example if I see a black cab I automatically expect it to make sudden turns without indicating. When I see a down at heel looking white limo I expect to be flashed at by a gang of scabby looking women out on a hen night. When I see an Impreza I expect either some fat, balding git or an artless chav and of course when I see a TT I expect to see 'metrosexual' male or someone who wouldn't be out of place shopping in M&S for their clothes.
What I find particularly telling is the need of TT owners to resort to 'tit for tat- mines better than yours' schoolyard arguments. To my mind that indicates that they have a problem with the way they think others perceive them and feel the need to lash out to defend their position.
Personally if I owned a TT (which I seriously considered but was dismayed at what the overall package offered) then I wouldn't give a fig what anyone thought of me or it. Particularly not a bunch of people on a Subaru BBS.
As an experiment why not go around a few car forums dedicated to different marques and ask a few questions about people's opinions on the TT. I imagine whatever the forum you'll get the same stereotypes dredged up again and again whether it's a BBS dedicated to Porsches, Mondeos or SMART cars I reckon the answers will be the same. Like it or not the image outlined here is the zeitgeist.

BTW the styling was mould breaking and still looks fresh today but as I keep saying whatever impact it had is sadly diluted by the sheer number of them on the roads.

I'm glad though, you'd rather look like a homosexual male hairdresser with poor fashion sense than a scummy baseball cap wearing chav. Personally I'm not sure which I'd prefer.

caney

what a wonderful thread yet again i'm married with a daughter,don't workout and eat **** loads of junk food but apparently i'm a tosser and gay awesome i feel complete thanks guys btw my ****ty tt does 0-60 4.1secs,1/4 mile 12.4@115mph and weighs 1450kg! BYE

bobn3

Well I pick the car up this afternoon :-)

Many thanks for all your comments, some very help and other.... well let say, you need help ;-)

Oh j, say hi to your sister agian for me :-)

I forgot to mention earlier I'm in Ireland and there arent that many 225bhp TT around! so that was one of the reason I went with it and the other is simply I like how it looks and drivers :-)

So again thanks all, talk to you all soon

- Niall

JTaylor

Good luck with it Niall and nice one for taking the banter so well. I'd jump out of my classic and into a TT tomorrow FWIW; they're accomplished vehicles.

DCI Gene Hunt

Still a complete hair dressers car though, albeit a quick one............

Rabid

I think perhaps you've missed the point. Nobody is saying you are a homosexual male fashion victim who cuts hair. Merely that when you're driving your car they'll assume you're one.

Those times are simply awesome BTW I'm sure you get a great deal of personal satisfaction from mentioning them here.

IN THE STICKS

Hope you enjoy it remember to check out http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/ttforumbbs/ and http://www.wak-tt.com/links/links.htm
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Dave

bobn3

Hi

Thanks for the forum links.
Regards
Niall

Matt Classic

Check here as well

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/index.php

A few people been a bit dissapointed by AMD recently, I went with REVO and have been very pleased.

http://www.revotechnik.com/

Enjoy the build quality, and residuals

bobn3

Hi all,

Well I pick it up yesterday afternoon and I love it :-) acceleration is great and the handling is shape!

Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread. I think this is the must replies I ever got on a topic :-)

talk to you all soon

-Niall

Rabid

Good you're enjoying it, I love the 'I just got a new toy' feeling. Get it remapped and you won't believe the difference in how much more driveable it is.
Do you find visibility (particularly seeing the lights change) a problem? I'm well over 6 foot and found myself having to almost bend double to see the lights change in the TT.

JTaylor

Adam M

what does handling is shape mean?

rabid, fair comments.

Have to say that homosexual hairdressers, in fact homosexual men usually have excellent taste. That's why they created queer eye for the straight guy.

Having said that they have imho, questionable taste in sexual partners!

I don't understand what women see men, never minds homosexuals.

JTaylor

What does.....


......mean?

DCI Gene Hunt

Oh deary me, do you still live at home?

See my comment above, and do you live in a welsh village?

Please translate, then again please don't bother..................

Karl 227

There are about twenty new model TT's driving around here at the moment, now that looks like a very nice car

PS: I ain't gay

Karl 227

lightning101

DCI Gene Hunt

Are you sure Karl227?.......................................... .......

Karl 227

Well, my wife doesn't seem to think so