Alas

So you are saying there is no problem with the England support and just the press exaggerating a couple of arguments! Did'nt realise the English press had the power to take away passports from 3500 supporters and then ensure a very large police presence at all England games.
As said before it only spoils it for the normal supporters as these neanderthals don't care whether they see a game or not. You've got your opinion which is fair enough as I have mine.

MooseRacer

You're actually spot on - the reasonably well off amongst them drive Subarus too

davegtt

3500 passports taken off "football supporters" out of say 100,000 proper travelling fans, thats like saying the police took the licences of 3.5% of Subaru drivers for speeding and wreckless driving. Your point is very minor.

DCI Gene Hunt

... Only the chav'd up POS one's though......

mightyyid

In addition, over the past few weeks in Germany, there have been some 4,000 arrests made of all fans from all countries. When that statistic was made, 257 had been English. That is a pretty fair and decent proportion given the vast numbers of English fans there...

Unfortunately, people who quote cricket matches as comparable neglect to see the difference of a one day match versus 90 minutes of passion. The nature of the games are so different, comparisons are meaningless and irrelevant. Plus, for some reason, football creates more passion than most other sports. I do not know why, but it is.... I love the game. I was at Euro 2004, and Japan 2000 and saw not a hint of trouble. But naturally, 10,000 English fans drinking and then a few thousand German fans celebrating a win will always cause some trouble. Not agreeing with it - just saying it will happen.

DCI Gene Hunt

Grown men.... watching a bunch of complete '****' rounding around tripping over a ******* daisy for 90 minutes.... PASSION!!!! more like complete Gayness........

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

What complete tosh! I was one of the Scum in Stuttgart Schloßplatz yesterday along with 60,000 England fans all in Red and white, the atmpspheare was ******* awsome, there was partying before the match and after the match, and gues how many police were there????

I counted about 6 inside the Fan Arena and a handfull more outside.

I did not see any trouble, I spoke to a bloke whose brother was one of the 400 arrested the night before but released b4 the game, he said the majority were pre-emptively arrested or just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not all football supportes are chav scum hooligans, there were 60,000 very happy English people partying yesterday in the centre of Stuttgart, along with Germans, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish etc etc etc. I am not a football fan per se but just to be here for the world cup is an experience I will never forget.

DCI Gene Hunt

Well you should of stayed there..... you are a complete embarrassment to this country with your drinking and general agressive chavy attitude...... **** it.. close the borders NOW! we don't need the other 59,999 wnakers back either......

davegtt

He probably will considering he lives there

DCI Gene Hunt

Well that's a plus!..like I said one less chavy scumbag here then......

Diablo

Minor like when English clubs were BANNED from playing in Europe due to trouble with fans....?

Iwan

Not a great comparison for arguments sake. Look at rugby, very similar type of game (2 teams running around a field with a ball, for a similar amount of time, fans of both games are tribal). At rugby matches there are far less police, the crowd are mixed in the stands, and there's rarely any trouble.

Why so different? I can only think it's a diffence between the types of fans rather than a difference between the sports themselves.

davegtt

Diablo, the fans of the 80's were in a different footballing culture that today, thanks for bringing up something that happened 20 years ago though. Really strengthens the argument.

Iwan, Have you seen the stands at the world cup this year (or any other year in fact) they're completely mixed with say English, Ecuadorian (if thats what they are) Germans, Italians etc etc... All sorts of people sat next to each other.

Diablo

Were they really Dave?

No doubt the culture has improved, but its still a long way from being "fixed"

The point remains that its the only sporting event on the global calander where trouble is the norm, and not the exception.

davegtt

Yes they was, very organised trouble causers back in the 80's. Alot of this has fizzled out over the years and its completely different. You only ever hear the bad things, its almost like some people are satisfied they have seen the football related violence. Been waiting for the last 2 weeks for it too happen.

Iwan

No mate I didn't know that, I don't follow football at all to be honest. I assumed that fans were still segregated as I gather they were years ago?

I've been to rugby matches though where the fans were mixed together, I wrongly assumed football was different.

DCI Gene Hunt

That's mostly because of the ticket touts, rather than planning.............

davegtt

Exactly, England we're only given 6000 tickets, probably about the same for the opposing team. All the others are sponsor tickets, mainly Germans but all them tickets have been sold here there and everywhere. Technically they should be segregated and if FIFA handed out fair amounts of tickets then they would be segregated, its their own fault but everyone who attends the game are there purely for that reason, the game, not to cause trouble.

paul-s

How many fights do you see inside the game??

SamUK

iTrader: (1)

As you are being talked about in the GENERAL SECTION

Noticed your comment here....What is so special about Baghdad? Please Elaborate.... and wtf does it have to do with Football?

luke m

the problem is that football is so vastly superior to all other sports that it attracts the greatest number of fans. if duller sports like rugby and cricket attracted nearly as many passionate supporters, there would be similar problems. but that will never happen of course

Fuzz

Vastly superior.



PMSL

luke m

spot on, fuzzy

maybe we could ask the millions around the world who watch and play, see what they think

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

How the hell can you say rugby is a dull sport?

If any of these poncy footballers ever came up against a rugby team who could also play football they wouldn't know what hit em!!

luke m

i didn't say rugby was dull, i said it was duller.

anyway, most people only play rugby because they aren't co-ordinated enough to play football, so the above cannot happen.

but you are right, rugby players tend to be bigger and stronger than footballers. dunno what this proves though

DCI Gene Hunt

Both are games of skill though, why not enjoy them for what they are instead of arguing over them.....

Leslie

Quite right.

Les

Alas

If it's so minor how would you feel about them all turning up the next game you go to and being near you in the stadium. 3,500 anti-social yobs being aggressive, obnoxious and whatever else they get up to. I can't believe you could possibly say 3,500 nutters is minor
What brand are your rose-tinted spectacles

davegtt

3500 nutters is minor in the scale of it all just like 3500 drivers are nutters on the road, theyre a minority. WTF are you on? Just trying to bring the sport and its supporters down because you dont care about it yourself

Funkii Munkii

Remember he's a Scot he's had **** all to watch this summer