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11 July 2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sgcooby
No you actually said you would struggle to beat a VXR etc in a Ver 8 STI not a WRX. That is utter rubbish. I expected the VXR to pull away from my WRX but alas they couldnt have been closer and that was from a rolling start on a dual carrigeway. My main point was that just because other cars have caught up does not meen a subaru is crap as they are the same price as these hot hatches yet still match or outperform them so they are still good cars.
BUT I never said the scoobs are rubbish as i'm currently own a scoob. (Had 4 of them). I have driven a vxr at the time I had a WRXPPP and i didn't notice any difference between the two in gear. Yes the VXR was poor off the line due to it wheelspinning everywhere. I just think hot hatches have caught up with the scoobs compared to 10 or so years ago when scoobs were running 200+bhp standard compared to hot hatches running 100+ bhp?
11 July 2006, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by alwong
So have you never come across a hot hatch or bm (excl. M range) and struggled??
But truth where its due - after 60, or to be more accurate, after third gear the engine does start to fade . . .So how long do you think till i start craving more BHP????
11 July 2006, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
cos they just shifted down and went past.
Your 265bhp is not the be all and end all you know.
Your 4wd is a bonus off the line but in every other aspect of on road driving it is a hinderence.
All of the cars I mention would quite happily **** over you on a track or a reasonable section of hger majesty's finest tarmac.
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Your 265bhp is not the be all and end all you know.
Your 4wd is a bonus off the line but in every other aspect of on road driving it is a hinderence.
All of the cars I mention would quite happily **** over you on a track or a reasonable section of hger majesty's finest tarmac.
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Once again misguided . . .
. .Agreed, the 265 is not the be all and end all, . .However, it still makes for a competent ride....But hot hatches are the way backward from a Scooby . .Not the way forward . .There's just something very adolescent about them . . . . .Its been nice talking . . .Peanut!
11 July 2006, 09:35 PM
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Hot hatches moved on a very long way from a few years ago. As said 200 bhp seems to be the norm now as opposed to 120/130bhp. Scoobys were already doing 280bhp and sub 5 secound 0-60s back then. Realistically how much further can you move on from that. You are into supercar territory from then on.
I have a lightly modified STI V5 Type R and have had the privilege of driving many 400-500 BHP supercars and hand on heart the difference in performance is barely noticeable.
I have a lightly modified STI V5 Type R and have had the privilege of driving many 400-500 BHP supercars and hand on heart the difference in performance is barely noticeable.
11 July 2006, 11:57 PM
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Why has anyone brought "Hot-Hatches" into the thread ? Never had a car that handles like my scoob, purely because of the 4wd not only off the line but being actually able to put your footdown mid corner. Try that in a 200BHP fwd!!!!. As for the evolution of the scoob, WRX JDM imports kick out about 240BHP which for a 13-14 yr old car is amazing when hot hatches were 150BHP. Subaru have failed to move with the times, if hot hatches are touching 200BHP+ then you'd expect your scooby to be base model 300BHP+ as standard, keeping equidistant from the burberry baseball cap's as they were in previous years.
As i said previously Bug-eyes are ugly, and when you consider cars like the VXR aren't far off (may even be quicker) than a WRX.
Subaru need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a base model 300BHP thats pleasing on the eye to keep old loyal customers as well as attract the next generation after they've got bored fitting strobes to their VXR's.
As i said previously Bug-eyes are ugly, and when you consider cars like the VXR aren't far off (may even be quicker) than a WRX.
Subaru need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a base model 300BHP thats pleasing on the eye to keep old loyal customers as well as attract the next generation after they've got bored fitting strobes to their VXR's.
12 July 2006, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
Subaru need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a base model 300BHP thats pleasing on the eye to keep old loyal customers as well as attract the next generation after they've got bored fitting strobes to their VXR's.
12 July 2006, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by WRX300MAN
Never really had the pleasure . . The only time I had some trouble is with a Burke in Merc . . .The diesel had sheds of torque (E320 was it???). . .But the said coffin dodger was left behind in third . . .
But truth where its due - after 60, or to be more accurate, after third gear the engine does start to fade . . .So how long do you think till i start craving more BHP????
But truth where its due - after 60, or to be more accurate, after third gear the engine does start to fade . . .So how long do you think till i start craving more BHP????
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