moses

and this is what makes new terrorists when they see this

i dont know if anyone of u saw the gaza death, the whole family wiped out having a picnic in the gaza beach , wiped out by israel and only a lil girl left who woz screaming in the video and crying


the world looks on the western fecking leaders look on when the lil brown kids get massacred


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13593.htm

can u imagine if a muslim country done that to anyone white or jew, the world will come down on them like a tonne of bricks

the hypocrisy and they want iran to give away their nuclear ambitions,too right, i wish iran gets so much nuclear arsenal that the enemies will think twice of fecking with the middle east

Petem95

I dont agree with whats happening in the middle east right now, but I think you'll find that Israel is coming down on Hezbolla (sp?) like a tonne of bricks because of the atrocities they have commited against Israeli's....

moses

pete as usual

trust me if it continues like this, doesnt matter what israel has, lebanon will be their graveyard

when the mujahideen come from all over the arab world and all other countries, israel is gonna get a pounding

God willing

Petem95

Not going to happen Moses, Israel has by far the most powerful military in the Middle East - and its backed up the country with the most powerful military in the World (the US), and Britain. The Arab countries are just too weak to stand up against that.

Mujahideen from all over the world will do nothing - they are only ever going to be poorly trained, poorly equiped and poorly organised - despite what the "come and fight with your bruvs" propaganda video at the mosque may have suggested

I just wish Hezbolla would give up the captured soldiers, so Israel can pull out and stop the bombings.

Adam M

I think both we and israel know that the soldiers are already dead.

This conflict will be ended when israel releases 2000 living prisoners in exchange for the whereabouts of the bodies of the two dead soliders. It has happened before only then it was 5000 live for 5 dead, such is the importance to the israelis of burying its dead on home soil.

The world is becoming one seriously fcuked up place!

Moses, for all your rantings, you ave to understand that the zionist hatred you you have is replicated on the other side by people who were born on the other side of the fence and the other side of the propganda war.

Your hatred is based on your upbringing and what you have learned or rather been taught.

Its the same for me, Ihave been taught from day one that the arabs hate the jews and want us all dead, regardless of land, something to do with betraying mohammed back in the day. I don't hate arabs, and I dont hate muslims.

Some of the greatest people I have known over the last 10 years have been muslims (from bradford) and we dont hate each other, if anything we are proud that we can stand as testimony to the mutual respect that can exist between our religions. After all we value the same forefather and stemmed from brothers.

It saddens me what is constantly done in the name of religion, but I wish from your position of hatred and advocation of suicide bobings you could step back and understand that as much as you think you israel is evil, israel thinks that the arab world wont rest until it is destroyed. If both sides could truly believe that both sides wanted genuine peace, then it could be possible.

try to see both sides of the argument and leave your emotions at the door and you might think twice about wishing anyone dead.

moses

pete u forget the mighty empire of consantine, monghols , romans and persians woz defeated by a handful of muslims in history and the crusades

u r joking right,mujahideen yes they dont have the israeli weapons and might, they live to be martyrs , they dont fear death, they accept it as a friend, thats the difference between the mujahideen and the israeli cowards


and adam i do look at both sides of the fence and saddened to hear your words that i have been brought up this way, makes me sick i am what i am today coz of israel not my parents or anyone

my views were nothing like this till i touched the age of 18 or so , to see the israelis commit a genocide and holocaust against the palestinians and to see them shape the foreign policy to suit themselves turned me against them and my hatred started


and also u r saying the jews r taught arabs hate them, well the jews r brought up to hate the arabs and goyim and treat them like scum and do what they want, for 50 yrs the israeli jews and world jewry sat back and saw the holocaust of the arabs and massacres in sabra and chatila and lebanon the first time and said nothing and u r still playing the victim my friend

look at the zionist media and rupert murdoch an ardent zionist enemy of islam and see how they shape the world


brb just came home from work , dinner is ready


cheers

Adam M

I wasn't brought up to hate arabs, nor any other non-jews. I have respect for anyone who treats me as I would treat others. Many of the people I love most in the world are non jews. In fact I don't know of any others jewstaught to hate arabs.Taught that they hate the jews yes, but not to hate them.

and as for a handful of successful jews who control the media, well done to them for being successful, but don't believe for aminute they control the world, look at the bbc, the broadcasting corporation of england which is so blatantly anti israel it is a joke. If the jews control the media then why is it that the media is succeeding in making israel look as bad as hezbollah in this conflict?

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Its all a load of crap built up over the years, petty turf wars turned into massive wars that last years, Jewish, Muslim all the same to me, just people.

Who gives a flying **** what allegedly happened during the crusades, thats all stories and unless you can provide the news footage I will not be convinced otherwise, all that says to me is this **** has been going on too long, year in, year out, trouble in the middle east that goes quiet and then flares up again like a bad rash.

Is there any religion that Islam isnt battling with at the moment ?, the Jews in the Middle East, all us infidels in the west, Holy War Jihad, oh get over yourselves, all that Muslim brothers stuff, I have seen what some Muslim lads I know will do to each other for a few quid so when money is involved from my point of view the brotherhood and honour stuff goes out of the window.

I dont want to be Jewish, I dont want to be a Muslim, I dont want to be a Buddhist, I dont even want to be Church of England and thats what I was christened, I dont beleive in religion yet have to listen what the Jews are doing to the Muslims and what the Muslims are doing to each other, from my limited understanding (I dont really give a f*ck about religion) Muslims are killing other Muslims, different denominations, am I correct (put me straight here Moses if I am wrong) but to me its like the United reform church up the road blowing up the Baptist church round the corner, do they get together to battle the Israelis and then revert to battering each other when its over ?

Its like in Iraq, every single day when I check out the news on my phone it says 43 killed in Baghdad Market blast, now I know the occasional soldier gets killed but that gets a proper story but something on the scale of the London bombings is almost a footnote.

37 kids killed the other day and still it continues, I need some help comprehending this, those crap cartoons a few months back, the artist survived yet lots of Muslims died, seems a bit daft to me.

I personally regard all religion as a collect delusional obsessive compulsive disorder, thats my personal belief, religous people beleive what they want so why cant I have a view without fear of reprisal, you may think I am deluded but it is my right to be deluded.

What we need is a good alien invasion, a common enemy to fight against !

moses

jacko u know the answers , oppress muslims and invade their lands= u get it back and get a fight back from the muslims they aint sitting ducks, u know the answers already, seems u dont follow the reality of the world

moses

well adam, check out the fox news and american media and sky news , express, mail and the bbc at times, u got it all

and a handful of jews dont own the media they own alot of media and also have zionist back up

and also adam i wasnt brought to hate the jews , i hate the zionists and only started hating them when i saw what they do. u seen in the zionist media and this mad melanie philips stirring up trouble and hatred coz of their own evil agenda's , talking about muslims hatings jews when in fact the jewish existence in this world is coz of the muslims, i hate zionists who deny the truth about history.

hatred for jews in the muslim world started after the broader plans from late 1800 to take over palestine and jews buying land of arabs , paying them good prices and little did they know the evil zionists were planning to buy the land and create it into a country along with what britain woz gonna hand them on a plate and the creation of israel

u must be kidding dude if u didnt know the truth, zionists do control and sit back the massacres of christians vs muslims in the world ,to see the middle east crippled and controlled by pathetic corrupt dictators in the pockets of the west

they talk about israel the only democracy in the middle east, bo-l-l-ocks, they r an evil apartheid state and a terrorist state

speak to u later


cheers

moses

one more thing

u always hear in the media, the palestinians dont wanna recognise israel etc etc when in fact israel dont recognise palestine and their right to live , rather they take over their land , build walls on them and bulldoze their homes and crop and kill their family members and contaminate their water and been in the papers many times to decrease the sperm in men so they cant even create more children with their wives etc etc and use sonic booms in a daily basis's, which an israeli judge a righteous man condemned that.

they say the muslims want israeli pushed to the sea while the jewish public as a whole in israel want to see the arabs destroyed and see their kids as cannon fodder goyim.

when in fact their pure semites more than the contaminated jew

it makes me sad really

and when palestinians in history voted someone not corrupted by money and power and the evil corrupt fatah and pa authority, rather they voted for hamas and they got crippled by sanctions and stopping aid to the palestinians a collective punishment by israel and the EU AND THE USA ONLY COZ THEY voted hamas in coz they were sick of corruption of the PA and fatah and in return they get a genocide commited against them by not just israel but the EU and the usa by sanctions and abolishing of aid, a whole nation crippled coz of them voting for their country


sick *******, israel needs to be finished for good

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Mate, I have not invaded anybodies land or oppressed anybody, the uk government has sided with the American government and stuck its nose in around the world which is I assume what you are talking about, but guess what I didnt ask them to, they kind of just did it and I am a bit cross about it.

So I think you and I are in the same position-ish, we are not in control of the government and we did not ask them to go poking around but it was kind of ineviatable that all hell would break out when planes started mysteriously plunging into buildings, again I know that wasnt me and I am pretty sure you didnt sanction it personally, I am sure there was a reason for it and in turn a reason for that reason etc etc but it always seems to be the average punter that cops for the exploding planes and cars, very rarely the men that actually plan or execute it. Like it or not mate but this is your contry and your government as much as it is mine.

I just what to get on with my life and raise my kids in a moral but non religous manner without fear of stuff exploding all the time.

moses

one of my hero's the leader of gush shalom uri avnery

a righteous jew


http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/uavnery100.htm




u want the truth check here


http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en


also read the book by arthur neslen, a british jew , wrote an awesome book occupied minds

he interviewed some israelis and made up a book about them all and the israeli mindset

zionists r such evil doers they will go and bomb jews making it look like if arabs bombed them just to make them leave their homes in iraq and other muslim countries and go to israel, coz they ******* need bodies to make up the population and economy

and once the arab jews get their, they get treated like **** from these **** ashkenazi

moses

nice post dude i agree with u as its our country we can do something about blair and his evil regime coz he is doing good for only the usa and israel and betraying our country by hanging on to the coat tails of bush so tomorrow when he retires he and his woman and kids can enjoy the high life in the usa with bush's cronies and rupert murdoch to look after him, he aint serving his people, the power belongs to the people who voted for this cu;nt and he aint serving his people

we need to vote him out

and i agree bud, arguing about it here is only gonna coz bitterness, **** all we can do arguing and fighting , im sick of it already

so im aff and peace to u and all and adam, it woz nice talking to u mate, peace to u and your family and i mean it

dpb

Ahh so it is all about land then...?..

moses

lol never mind and long time no see

im aff to sleep now

nite

Hoppy

And here we have it - the Middle East Conflict in microcosm on ScoobyNet. What a ******* mess.

I am frightened to think that Moses is not alone within his ethnic community, and that his irrational views in support of terrorism and suicide bombers in the name of Islam, runs deeper and wider than we know.

Richard.

TelBoy

Don't get me started, Richard.

One other question that i don't know if it's been raised - is the fact that the US Secretary of State is a woman helping matters? I think not. It must rankle at the very heart of the Muslim leaders to have to welcome her and negotiate with her.

KiwiGTI

So we should bow down to them should we and adapt their medieval views on womens rights?

Maz

iTrader: (34)

What this puppet that the Bush administration brings out every now and again to parade around for everyone to say 'wow a black woman in such a high position'. In reality she has no power or influence. Colin Powell summed it up best, 'I'm like a carton of milk which is brought out of the fridge every now and again when it's needed'.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

It's early Kiwi but do you mean 'adopt' as opposed to 'adapt'.

TelBoy

Good God no, heaven (sic) forbid. But if the US really are serious about negotiating a peace settlement, even they cannot be so stupid as to realise this is a hindrance to the process, surely?

Brendan Hughes

It's the time you live in. Look at British/European history for 600 years; the crusades, the Inquisition, the Gunpowder Plot (Catholics trying to blow up a Protestant parliament), William of Orange, Mary queen of Scots, and in the recent times Northern Ireland.

People are all anti-Muslim at the moment as they ARE the common enemy - Christianity has certainly managed to keep its own population down during the second millenium. But no-one chooses to remember that at the moment, they prefer to go on about what a violent religion Islam is and aren't they a bunch of extremist loonies. Hmm, don't mention the White House' current occupants then...

Brendan Hughes

It's happened before, with Madeleine Albright surely?

Saw a clip of a Lebanese on TV the other night - "Whats the point of the Americans coming? They come to deliver aid to us and rockets to the Israelis." Ouch!!

TelBoy

That's true, Brendan, although she was never paraded in such a high profile way. But did it work then? No. Will it work this time? No.

Chris L

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been said before, but something has struck me over the last few days, as I have read the reports in the newspapers: Substitute Israel with Britain, Lebanon with Northern Ireland and Hamas with IRA. Think how the rest of the world would view our actions.

This whole ' well they started it first' attitude is just plain ridiculous. At some point, people have got to start talking. Bombing the hell out of civillians - no matter what justification Israel comes up with is just wrong.

Of all the people in the world, I would expect the Jews and Israel to understand persecution better than any one. It seems to me that they have a very short memory. Israel has to show that it is better than the 'terrorists' (or freedom fighters, depending on your point-of-view). I don't believe their current actions will bring anything other than more blood shed and just entrench the views and hatred that already exist.

I also find it abhorrent that we, as a nation (or certainly Blair) are prepared to blindly follow the US line on this. I am currently in France and the view over here is very different. We really do need to start thinking for ourselves.

TelBoy

One of the fundamental differences between the UK/NI situation is that you couldn't tell what religion somebody was just from looking at them. So as new generations grew up, they just couldn't maintain the same level of passion, it wasn't of their era. But with the Jews and Arabs that's different - you get indoctrination from an early age and you can tell in an instant who your enemy is. And they hate the sight of each other. Always have, always will.

moses

God bless u chris, u made me a happy man reading this post, nice to see a man with humanity in his heart

peace

moses

yes u would be frightened , your a zionist and likes to stir up ****, rather than condemn the root cause that is israel the zionist **** state

my views r honest and its the truth, any decent human being who knows the truth and can understand what it feels like to be persecuted will have a similiar view

i dont support terrorism, terrorism =israel

i support resistance , against the evil perpretators and oppressors if u call me a terrorist coz i wanna stand up for justice, i rather be called a terrorist then than a snide zionist like yourself a **** stirrer

TelBoy

How can YOU use a word like humanity when in the same breath you've used the word hatred at least a couple of times on this thread alone, and "god willing, Israel will get a pounding", moses. Listen to yourself. Jesus.