Israel, right or wrong?
14 July 2006, 08:33 PM
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Why is it when the ********* with taches and AK47s get busy it costs me more to get to work ?
Just blow each other up, once and for all or start getting on, its all getting a bit f*cking old this trouble in the middle east ****, even the IRA have given it a rest nowadays so why cant the sand people stop killing each other, daft *******s, dont understand why in Pakistan, India, Afganistan, Iraq etc that the USA p1ss them off so they blow each other up even more (quite an acheivement). Why fight for territory, one sandy sh1thole is much like another ?
They say its all about territory and religion, I reckon it just because life is ****, short, hot and dusty, I mean look at the regimes, no fun that is it, no football, no ********, no beer, no Pork products, no comedy, just sand, aggro, religion and guns and the west supplying them with the latter, so just to feel part of something they get on a team and give the kids an AK47, they grow a tache and shoot each other, its all blokes doing the butchering and suicide bombing, the women just do wailing duty when the all their kids get blown up in the street, no wonder they get p1ssed off, what an existence.
Just give the Yanks the oil, theres loads of it, just trade it for something useful, knock the religous war on the head, in fact knock the religion on the head, no good comes of it and its all f*cking mumbo jumbo, all these different religions fighting, I mean somebody must be wrong !! stop the infighting and do clever things to annoy the yanks like sanctions, to be honest blowing stuff up is a bit boring nowadays, you need a new gimmick, the airliners thing was impressive but you aint going to get away with that again, just chill keep out of the sun, have a beer, get the women to get their face out for the lads and have a bit of fun.
Sorry if I sound a bit of an **** but I have spent 4 hours searching for a Spaniel, have had two cans of Stella and am really pissed off, especially as due to some **** in the middle east getting arsy means I will have to put sixty quids worth of juice in my car just to get to work next week.
Just blow each other up, once and for all or start getting on, its all getting a bit f*cking old this trouble in the middle east ****, even the IRA have given it a rest nowadays so why cant the sand people stop killing each other, daft *******s, dont understand why in Pakistan, India, Afganistan, Iraq etc that the USA p1ss them off so they blow each other up even more (quite an acheivement). Why fight for territory, one sandy sh1thole is much like another ?
They say its all about territory and religion, I reckon it just because life is ****, short, hot and dusty, I mean look at the regimes, no fun that is it, no football, no ********, no beer, no Pork products, no comedy, just sand, aggro, religion and guns and the west supplying them with the latter, so just to feel part of something they get on a team and give the kids an AK47, they grow a tache and shoot each other, its all blokes doing the butchering and suicide bombing, the women just do wailing duty when the all their kids get blown up in the street, no wonder they get p1ssed off, what an existence.
Just give the Yanks the oil, theres loads of it, just trade it for something useful, knock the religous war on the head, in fact knock the religion on the head, no good comes of it and its all f*cking mumbo jumbo, all these different religions fighting, I mean somebody must be wrong !! stop the infighting and do clever things to annoy the yanks like sanctions, to be honest blowing stuff up is a bit boring nowadays, you need a new gimmick, the airliners thing was impressive but you aint going to get away with that again, just chill keep out of the sun, have a beer, get the women to get their face out for the lads and have a bit of fun.
Sorry if I sound a bit of an **** but I have spent 4 hours searching for a Spaniel, have had two cans of Stella and am really pissed off, especially as due to some **** in the middle east getting arsy means I will have to put sixty quids worth of juice in my car just to get to work next week.
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Why is it when the ********* with taches and AK47s get busy it costs me more to get to work ?
Just blow each other up, once and for all or start getting on, its all getting a bit f*cking old this trouble in the middle east ****, even the IRA have given it a rest nowadays so why cant the sand people stop killing each other, daft *******s, dont understand why in Pakistan, India, Afganistan, Iraq etc that the USA p1ss them off so they blow each other up even more (quite an acheivement). Why fight for territory, one sandy sh1thole is much like another ?
They say its all about territory and religion, I reckon it just because life is ****, short, hot and dusty, I mean look at the regimes, no fun that is it, no football, no ********, no beer, no Pork products, no comedy, just sand, aggro, religion and guns and the west supplying them with the latter, so just to feel part of something they get on a team and give the kids an AK47, they grow a tache and shoot each other, its all blokes doing the butchering and suicide bombing, the women just do wailing duty when the all their kids get blown up in the street, no wonder they get p1ssed off, what an existence.
Just give the Yanks the oil, theres loads of it, just trade it for something useful, knock the religous war on the head, in fact knock the religion on the head, no good comes of it and its all f*cking mumbo jumbo, all these different religions fighting, I mean somebody must be wrong !! stop the infighting and do clever things to annoy the yanks like sanctions, to be honest blowing stuff up is a bit boring nowadays, you need a new gimmick, the airliners thing was impressive but you aint going to get away with that again, just chill keep out of the sun, have a beer, get the women to get their face out for the lads and have a bit of fun.
Sorry if I sound a bit of an **** but I have spent 4 hours searching for a Spaniel, have had two cans of Stella and am really pissed off, especially as due to some **** in the middle east getting arsy means I will have to put sixty quids worth of juice in my car just to get to work next week.
Just blow each other up, once and for all or start getting on, its all getting a bit f*cking old this trouble in the middle east ****, even the IRA have given it a rest nowadays so why cant the sand people stop killing each other, daft *******s, dont understand why in Pakistan, India, Afganistan, Iraq etc that the USA p1ss them off so they blow each other up even more (quite an acheivement). Why fight for territory, one sandy sh1thole is much like another ?
They say its all about territory and religion, I reckon it just because life is ****, short, hot and dusty, I mean look at the regimes, no fun that is it, no football, no ********, no beer, no Pork products, no comedy, just sand, aggro, religion and guns and the west supplying them with the latter, so just to feel part of something they get on a team and give the kids an AK47, they grow a tache and shoot each other, its all blokes doing the butchering and suicide bombing, the women just do wailing duty when the all their kids get blown up in the street, no wonder they get p1ssed off, what an existence.
Just give the Yanks the oil, theres loads of it, just trade it for something useful, knock the religous war on the head, in fact knock the religion on the head, no good comes of it and its all f*cking mumbo jumbo, all these different religions fighting, I mean somebody must be wrong !! stop the infighting and do clever things to annoy the yanks like sanctions, to be honest blowing stuff up is a bit boring nowadays, you need a new gimmick, the airliners thing was impressive but you aint going to get away with that again, just chill keep out of the sun, have a beer, get the women to get their face out for the lads and have a bit of fun.
Sorry if I sound a bit of an **** but I have spent 4 hours searching for a Spaniel, have had two cans of Stella and am really pissed off, especially as due to some **** in the middle east getting arsy means I will have to put sixty quids worth of juice in my car just to get to work next week.
Quality mate, could not have said it better, bet a lot of punters are thinking the same, two cans of stella and you think of that, Imagine what a few more could create- keep drinking LOL.
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14 July 2006, 08:57 PM
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What is certain is that the current situation cannot be allowed to continue. It just provides an excuse for the hardliners/extremists in the Arab/Muslim world to continue to foment trouble in the name of the Palestinians.
The Palestinians have never really had a homeland, but they were allowed to live in relative peace and prosperity by previous occupiers of the area. Before Israel the occupiers were Jordan in the West Bank and Egypt in Gaza. And before that there was the Palestine Mandate administered by the British after WW1. And before that it was all part of the Ottoman Empire.
However the occupation after the 1967 6 Day War displaced a large number of Palestinians, who have since had to survive in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. They have nothing, and so have nothing to lose by continuing to cause the Israelis problems by whatever means they can.
Ultimately there will be no settlement until the Israelis return to something like the pre 1967 borders. And that means most of the settlements being dismantled or handed over to the Palestinians. This is what was meant by UN resolution 242.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_un_242.php
It is absolutely in the interest of the West, which includes the US to resolve this. It would remove the main grievance of the Muslim world to the West. It would isolate the extremists from moderate Muslim opinion.
Before this the Muslim world, apart from Saudi was pretty tolerant to other religions. Most muslim cities/countries had large Jewish and Christian minorities, and had done so for centuries.
It is the combination of the Israeli/Palestinian problem and the export of extreme/fundamentalist Wahabbi views from Saudi that have led to the current situation. It is Saudi money that has funded all the madrassas all over the Muslim world. Strange that they have not funded much charity for the displaced Palestinians.
The Palestinians have never really had a homeland, but they were allowed to live in relative peace and prosperity by previous occupiers of the area. Before Israel the occupiers were Jordan in the West Bank and Egypt in Gaza. And before that there was the Palestine Mandate administered by the British after WW1. And before that it was all part of the Ottoman Empire.
However the occupation after the 1967 6 Day War displaced a large number of Palestinians, who have since had to survive in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. They have nothing, and so have nothing to lose by continuing to cause the Israelis problems by whatever means they can.
Ultimately there will be no settlement until the Israelis return to something like the pre 1967 borders. And that means most of the settlements being dismantled or handed over to the Palestinians. This is what was meant by UN resolution 242.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_un_242.php
It is absolutely in the interest of the West, which includes the US to resolve this. It would remove the main grievance of the Muslim world to the West. It would isolate the extremists from moderate Muslim opinion.
Before this the Muslim world, apart from Saudi was pretty tolerant to other religions. Most muslim cities/countries had large Jewish and Christian minorities, and had done so for centuries.
It is the combination of the Israeli/Palestinian problem and the export of extreme/fundamentalist Wahabbi views from Saudi that have led to the current situation. It is Saudi money that has funded all the madrassas all over the Muslim world. Strange that they have not funded much charity for the displaced Palestinians.
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14 July 2006, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
due to some **** in the middle east getting arsy means I will have to put sixty quids worth of juice in my car just to get to work next week.
They are succeeding.
The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
14 July 2006, 09:13 PM
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I think old Blairs crew have the right idea, Nuclear energy so we can generate our own so we dont have to worry about the perpetual 'situation in the Middle East'
UB, cant pin all this on the Muslims, they aint all *****, there's plenty of ***** on all sides plus a lot of misguided non ***** who go along with it.
UB, cant pin all this on the Muslims, they aint all *****, there's plenty of ***** on all sides plus a lot of misguided non ***** who go along with it.
14 July 2006, 09:24 PM
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islamic plan - too right, i have a islamic friend as his firiends also say, one day the UK WILL be a islamic state.
as for the Middle East, here a idea, drop a BIG NUKE on that part of the world, just think how peaceful the world would be.
as for the Middle East, here a idea, drop a BIG NUKE on that part of the world, just think how peaceful the world would be.
14 July 2006, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlesW
It is the combination of the Israeli/Palestinian problem and the export of extreme/fundamentalist Wahabbi views from Saudi that have led to the current situation. It is Saudi money that has funded all the madrassas all over the Muslim world. Strange that they have not funded much charity for the displaced Palestinians.
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Originally Posted by sparky300
islamic plan - too right, i have a islamic friend as his firiends also say, one day the UK WILL be a islamic state.
15 July 2006, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Don't forget this is the islamic plan. They want to destroy our society and our way of life.
They are succeeding.
The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
They are succeeding.
The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
15 July 2006, 01:14 PM
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Your fish and chips and Friday night p*ss ups are safe for now.
It'd be great if you could replace fish and chips with compulsory multiple servings of karai gohst accompanied by heaps of freshly made nan bread.
15 July 2006, 01:32 PM
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Right or wrong? If only it was so simple.
Hezbollah knew what the likely reaction would be if it started kidnapping Isaeli soldiers. No doubt precedents had been set previously by mutual exchange of prisoners, but they still knew they were playing with fire.
However you have got to question what the hell Israel was doing by bombing powerstations and the like in Gaza. Can you imagine what living conditions are like there right now? No power for airconditioning, little or no power for the water supply or sewerage systems. What sort of living conditions are hundreds of thousands in Gaza living in right now? To me it's collective punishment and it is unacceptable for Israel to be acting in that way.
Hezbollah knew what the likely reaction would be if it started kidnapping Isaeli soldiers. No doubt precedents had been set previously by mutual exchange of prisoners, but they still knew they were playing with fire.
However you have got to question what the hell Israel was doing by bombing powerstations and the like in Gaza. Can you imagine what living conditions are like there right now? No power for airconditioning, little or no power for the water supply or sewerage systems. What sort of living conditions are hundreds of thousands in Gaza living in right now? To me it's collective punishment and it is unacceptable for Israel to be acting in that way.
15 July 2006, 02:03 PM
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This situation wouldn't be so worrying if it wasn't for the fact the Iranians are being dragged into it. Israel are trying to prove the Iranians are helping Hezbollah and that just opens the gates of a major International conflict if they start firing missiles into Iran. Iran would like nothing more than to fight back and hit Israel hard. As soon as Iran get drawn in the USA will be involved and the whole thing escalates from what is a fairly localised conflict and low intensity.
The thought of having a go at Iran after the Iraq conflict has always been on the USA's mind with having all the military hardware already in place. Why would they bring everyone home only to have to sort Iran out a few years down the line after they have improved their nuclear capabilities and ignored all International warnings? Getting rid of the Iranian leadership now would suit the USA and Israel.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
The thought of having a go at Iran after the Iraq conflict has always been on the USA's mind with having all the military hardware already in place. Why would they bring everyone home only to have to sort Iran out a few years down the line after they have improved their nuclear capabilities and ignored all International warnings? Getting rid of the Iranian leadership now would suit the USA and Israel.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
15 July 2006, 02:23 PM
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This situation wouldn't be so worrying if it wasn't for the fact the Iranians are being dragged into it. Israel are trying to prove the Iranians are helping Hezbollah and that just opens the gates of a major International conflict if they start firing missiles into Iran. Iran would like nothing more than to fight back and hit Israel hard. As soon as Iran get drawn in the USA will be involved and the whole thing escalates from what is a fairly localised conflict and low intensity.
The thought of having a go at Iran after the Iraq conflict has always been on the USA's mind with having all the military hardware already in place. Why would they bring everyone home only to have to sort Iran out a few years down the line after they have improved their nuclear capabilities and ignored all International warnings? Getting rid of the Iranian leadership now would suit the USA and Israel.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
The thought of having a go at Iran after the Iraq conflict has always been on the USA's mind with having all the military hardware already in place. Why would they bring everyone home only to have to sort Iran out a few years down the line after they have improved their nuclear capabilities and ignored all International warnings? Getting rid of the Iranian leadership now would suit the USA and Israel.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
15 July 2006, 02:25 PM
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That's a shame.
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15 July 2006, 02:44 PM
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How long before Iran jumps into this conflict? After all they have stated that "the destruciton of Israel" is one of their aims...
I wouldnt surprised if their armed forces were being readied. If that were to happen, and things started to really get serious, would the US/UK step in?...
I wouldnt surprised if their armed forces were being readied. If that were to happen, and things started to really get serious, would the US/UK step in?...
15 July 2006, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Don't forget this is the islamic plan. They want to destroy our society and our way of life.
They are succeeding.
The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
They are succeeding.
The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
15 July 2006, 04:38 PM
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The Hamas and Hizbollah situation are two different issues. IMHO Hizbollah have used the disruption in the Gaza as an excuse to rattle Israel over the long standing north israel/southern lebanon border dispute. Israel hasn't shown any military retaliation in this area, dispite provocation, for six years and Hizbollah crossing the border and kidnapping the israeli soldiers, and then firing rockets into Israel, is the reason for the latest escalation. What did they expect to happen, that Israel would just sit back and be attacked?
I'm am entirely neutral here, it just seems to me that Hizbollah and Hamas will never learn that if they attack Israel, they will feel the might of probably the most battle hardened combat troops in the modern world. It has always been that way.
On the news today it stated that Hizbollah were actually launching their missiles from the windows of lebanese civilians houses - is this the way to fight a war? And they then wonder why civilians are being killed when the rockets are being launched in this way.
The israeli response has been heavy handed but not at all unexpected.
Just my two pennies worth...
Dave
I'm am entirely neutral here, it just seems to me that Hizbollah and Hamas will never learn that if they attack Israel, they will feel the might of probably the most battle hardened combat troops in the modern world. It has always been that way.
On the news today it stated that Hizbollah were actually launching their missiles from the windows of lebanese civilians houses - is this the way to fight a war? And they then wonder why civilians are being killed when the rockets are being launched in this way.
The israeli response has been heavy handed but not at all unexpected.
Just my two pennies worth...
Dave
Originally Posted by Geezer
It really seems to be kicking off in the middle east right now, not sure where it will lead.
IMO, Israel have overstepped the mark, they are a menace and always have been. The Palestinians have been extremely hard done to over the years, it's no surprise that Hamas and Hezbollah attack them.
It's time something was done about Israel.
Geezer
IMO, Israel have overstepped the mark, they are a menace and always have been. The Palestinians have been extremely hard done to over the years, it's no surprise that Hamas and Hezbollah attack them.
It's time something was done about Israel.
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15 July 2006, 07:03 PM
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I'm am entirely neutral here, it just seems to me that Hizbollah and Hamas will never learn that if they attack Israel, they will feel the might of probably the most battle hardened combat troops in the modern world. It has always been that way.
This is one factor why a relatively minor Palestinian/Israeli squabble over territory has esacalated into a much wider Jews vs Arabs-and-anybody-else-with-a-Western-grudge conflict with potentially serious global repercussions.
For example, why has Iran declared that it wants to wipe out Israel? That's not a mere territorial dispute, is it. It goes much, much deeper. And don't dwell too long on what Iran's motivation might be as the answer is truly terrifying.
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15 July 2006, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Uncle****, you really are a racist, bigotted, ignorant *******.
and you're just a rude thicko - btw, islam is not a 'race'
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Originally Posted by **************
This situation wouldn't be so worrying if it wasn't for the fact the Iranians are being dragged into it. Israel are trying to prove the Iranians are helping Hezbollah and that just opens the gates of a major International conflict if they start firing missiles into Iran. Iran would like nothing more than to fight back and hit Israel hard. As soon as Iran get drawn in the USA will be involved and the whole thing escalates from what is a fairly localised conflict and low intensity.
The thought of having a go at Iran after the Iraq conflict has always been on the USA's mind with having all the military hardware already in place. Why would they bring everyone home only to have to sort Iran out a few years down the line after they have improved their nuclear capabilities and ignored all International warnings? Getting rid of the Iranian leadership now would suit the USA and Israel.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
The thought of having a go at Iran after the Iraq conflict has always been on the USA's mind with having all the military hardware already in place. Why would they bring everyone home only to have to sort Iran out a few years down the line after they have improved their nuclear capabilities and ignored all International warnings? Getting rid of the Iranian leadership now would suit the USA and Israel.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
Absolutely spot on.
When the IRA bomed England I don't remember us indiscrminately killing hundreds of people in northen Ireland. Terrorist groups are trying to escalate the violence as Israels totally over the top reaction feeds the likes of Hamas and Hiz Bollah with money and recruits. The USA as Bravo said is fanning the flames to try and force Iran into the conflict which gives them an excuse to Bomb The hell out of Iran before they can develop a nuclear program.
16 July 2006, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
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The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
The muslims are c*nts. Sorry, but it's true.
16 July 2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
This situation wouldn't be so worrying if it wasn't for the fact the Iranians are being dragged into it. ......
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
Its all a bit too convenient for me that this has escalated from a couple of soldiers being kidnapped to the brink of all out war. The USA should have reigned the Israelis in straight away but they haven't.
Just a thought - we've seen all these suicide bombers recently and it alters one's perspective. I wonder if Iran may want to wipe out Israel knowing that they will be completely wiped out in response - they may see it as for the 'greater good'????? A suicide state so to speak?
16 July 2006, 11:23 AM
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You clearly have issues. Get over it, try to be less of a backwards bigoted monkey boy,
Call me what you want but Islam is the most evil thing on this planet, it's a disgusting cult (yes, it brainwashes people) that suppresses freedom, womens rights and encourage violence and hatred. There can never be true friendship between Muslim and non-Muslim.
And for you sad liberals that say "One of my best mates is a Muslim" etc, their mindset doesn't work like that, their loyalties are only to their Mosque and Muslim brothers. You need to wake up.
16 July 2006, 11:30 AM
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It is a very difficult situation to sort out. We have to look at both sides. The Israelis are living in what used to be Palestine. It is a small country surrounded by Arab states who all hate them just for being there. When they are attacked by collaring and imprisoning their soldiers and also by rockets being fired by Hezbollah into Israel then it is not surprising that they feel they have to defend themselves vigorously in an effort to stop the attacks getting worse. They state that they are attacking Hezbollah targets-such as headquarters and weapon stores and do not wish to kill any Lebanese civilians. Some civilians have been killed but thankfully not as many in Iraq during the Bush/Billy illegal adventure.They want to destroy Hezbollah but we know that will not be possible. It is a shame that talks were going on with the Palestinian government before all this started, probably Hezbollah did not want to see the talks succeed.
There are two sides and it is a shame that as in the past, the differences seem to be insoluble. This has gone on for years of course. I also regret seeing the damage to Palestinian and Lebanese infrastructure.
Immature calls such as "kill them all" etc. are worse than useless as well as being inflammatory.
Les
There are two sides and it is a shame that as in the past, the differences seem to be insoluble. This has gone on for years of course. I also regret seeing the damage to Palestinian and Lebanese infrastructure.
Immature calls such as "kill them all" etc. are worse than useless as well as being inflammatory.
Les
16 July 2006, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlesW
What is certain is that the current situation cannot be allowed to continue. It just provides an excuse for the hardliners/extremists in the Arab/Muslim world to continue to foment trouble in the name of the Palestinians.
The Palestinians have never really had a homeland, but they were allowed to live in relative peace and prosperity by previous occupiers of the area. Before Israel the occupiers were Jordan in the West Bank and Egypt in Gaza. And before that there was the Palestine Mandate administered by the British after WW1. And before that it was all part of the Ottoman Empire.
However the occupation after the 1967 6 Day War displaced a large number of Palestinians, who have since had to survive in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. They have nothing, and so have nothing to lose by continuing to cause the Israelis problems by whatever means they can.
Ultimately there will be no settlement until the Israelis return to something like the pre 1967 borders. And that means most of the settlements being dismantled or handed over to the Palestinians. This is what was meant by UN resolution 242.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_un_242.php
It is absolutely in the interest of the West, which includes the US to resolve this. It would remove the main grievance of the Muslim world to the West. It would isolate the extremists from moderate Muslim opinion.
Before this the Muslim world, apart from Saudi was pretty tolerant to other religions. Most muslim cities/countries had large Jewish and Christian minorities, and had done so for centuries.
It is the combination of the Israeli/Palestinian problem and the export of extreme/fundamentalist Wahabbi views from Saudi that have led to the current situation. It is Saudi money that has funded all the madrassas all over the Muslim world. Strange that they have not funded much charity for the displaced Palestinians.
The Palestinians have never really had a homeland, but they were allowed to live in relative peace and prosperity by previous occupiers of the area. Before Israel the occupiers were Jordan in the West Bank and Egypt in Gaza. And before that there was the Palestine Mandate administered by the British after WW1. And before that it was all part of the Ottoman Empire.
However the occupation after the 1967 6 Day War displaced a large number of Palestinians, who have since had to survive in refugee camps in neighbouring countries. They have nothing, and so have nothing to lose by continuing to cause the Israelis problems by whatever means they can.
Ultimately there will be no settlement until the Israelis return to something like the pre 1967 borders. And that means most of the settlements being dismantled or handed over to the Palestinians. This is what was meant by UN resolution 242.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_un_242.php
It is absolutely in the interest of the West, which includes the US to resolve this. It would remove the main grievance of the Muslim world to the West. It would isolate the extremists from moderate Muslim opinion.
Before this the Muslim world, apart from Saudi was pretty tolerant to other religions. Most muslim cities/countries had large Jewish and Christian minorities, and had done so for centuries.
It is the combination of the Israeli/Palestinian problem and the export of extreme/fundamentalist Wahabbi views from Saudi that have led to the current situation. It is Saudi money that has funded all the madrassas all over the Muslim world. Strange that they have not funded much charity for the displaced Palestinians.
what a clear concise and truthful post.
That pretty much sums up the whole issue,
and utter morons like Kiwi gti and Uncle buck should educate themselves by reading it.
I occasionally drop in to this forum, but time and time again these two retards continue to make ill-formed dowright stupid comments about most issues they "contribute to".