Adam M

who said anything about chosen?

I just said different.

By the above reckoning, all humans have the same genes. That is nonsense and we know it. Genetic differences cause different appearances, so why is it so inconceivable?

There is no question that tay-sachs diseases is about 100000 times more likely to occur in jews than other people, and all propensity toward diabetes is also much higher. Why is that?

It also is somewhat disconcerting, that simply by stating these observations it has been decided that I think I am "chosen"

wtf are you talking about? please tell me how being more likely to have children who die young and being more likely to need insulin injections makes me "chosen", "special" or "better" in any way.

Luan Pra bang

To be honest Adam I do find some of the comments against yourself and your religon a bit personal and anti-semetic even though I have strong opinions about Israel that differ greatly from yours.

KiwiGTI

See there you go spouting falsehoods again.

The chances of you being a TSD carrier are higher if you are of Eastern European descent, of which many Ashkenazi Jews are. It's not exclusive to Jews from that area.

There is also a high incidence of TSD in the Cajun population in Louisiana and non-Jewish French Canadians.

Sephardic Jews have the same rate as the general population.

You inferred "chosen" by the fact you were saying a gene in jewish populations could be traced back to Moses, obviuosly a strong religious figure that has had direct contact with God as one of his chosen messengers.

Playing the victim again I see.

Ted Maul

couple of points, after being on the beach for a week.

jews are a religion, not a race. (they happen to have shared genes cos the come from the same areas originally)

a lot of jews do not support israel, even to the extent of its existance. (what happened to the instruction to wait for the messiah before being delivered to the promised land eh?)

the big holocaust museum in israel certainly makes sure you know its not only jews that were killed in the holocaust.

when hezbollah 'fighters' move in to a home that has lots of women and kids in it, then fires a crappy rocket in to an israeli home with kids in it, then clear off and leave the family to hit by a precision guided missile, then what can the israelis do?? I reckon the lebanese family should not let them fire rockets from their house?

jews are hated in history because as everyone knows we are the the chosen poeple of god, so all muslim, christians etc are jealeous

as I read various peoples responses, not many seem very intelligent (including mine), a lot you just scan down and think '****' or 'no idea' etc but some are just hilarious. kiwigti - do your friends know you're such a ****?

if you want a very anti israel news channel, watch the bbc. if you want a very pro israel news channel, watch fox news, sky. if you want somewhere in the middle watch channel 4, or some of the european channels. what you watch will heavily influence your views

but most importantly - welcome Moses! hope the family is well, good to see all is ok with you.

Ted Maul
(oh and just like melanie i'm jewish and incapable of balanced thought)

Suresh

So murdering 34 children is justified then?


The Israelis will reap their whirlwind in due course I'm sure and there'll be quite a few retorts of 'good they deserved it' when it happens.

Ted Maul

[quote=Suresh]So murdering 34 children is justified then?

quote]

what's your definition of justified?

Is it right that Lebanese and Israeli children are being killed - NO
Is it right that Hezbollah are not interested in targeting the IDF but instead fire indiscriminately into the suburbs of Haifa - NO
Is it right that Israel fire bombs into civilian sites because they know hezbollah are using them to fire rockets - NO

I was suggesting that the Lebanese should refuse to house terrorists and allow the terrorists to put the Lebanese families under threat by allowing them to use the own home as a rocket launching base.

KiwiGTI

Another person who can't handle the truth and has to resort to personal name calling.

Ted Maul

I don't know what 'the truth' is and I'm certain someone like you most definately has no idea. I find rational discussion with someone, who appears from many of your posts across many threads to clearly be a ****, a waste of my time, and a good old personal name calling session the only worthy response.

Although of course I know you will read my reply, please don't bother to respond. I'm not interested in any reply of yours, and I'm certain no-one of note here has any interest either.

KiwiGTI

Another one of 'their' traits showing through - arrogance.

BTW, my opinions are usually more reflective of the general population, only I'll be direct about it.

Steve vRS

Might be tricky to stop a load of mad, heavily armed fighters entering your home in the first place, whether you support them or not.

Steve

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Just what is the point of this post? You have shown you are capable of rational and coherent paraphrasing when you have the discretion to do so. Why you choose to belittle yourself in such demeaning fashion is an utter perplexity.

Maz.

AudiLover

because im fookin bored and your the first of the baited baiters

Maz

iTrader: (34)

What are you achieving by this so called baiting? You have posted a comment which is deeply offensive to a lot of people. May I have the temerity to suggest you switch off the PC and do something less boring. Maybe a 'bukkake' session with your better half?

AudiLover

Your right

Maz

iTrader: (34)

You're right!

KiwiGTI

That'll go down well with the catholics on this board.

moses

salamun alaikum ted bros and thanks , hope u and your family r well, im a bit stressed and depressed today so i aint gonna argue, coz my hatred for israel is so severe and the zionist **** jews , if i open my mouth it will spew with filth against them


but so nice to see u again bros, God bless u and your family, just the one thing i wanted to say, christians massacred the jews coz they called them christ killers and its coz of the muslims the jewish race still exists otherwise u would only hear of them in the musuem, coz the christians would have cleansed them from the face of the earth and the muslims saved them and took them to the muslim lands and even gave them their jewish quarters to live in peace and their rabbi's to judge them by the torah and talmud

muslims have never been jealous, rather the israelis took over their land and commited a holocaust and made the usa their puppet to apply their evil laws.

thats all my bros

and this lil baby, she woz alive in the early hours of the day in lebanon and it made me cry, i have a wee girl myself and when i saw this pic and the lil dummy hanging from her neck, i wanted to slay all the zionist ****'s i see and cursed the end of israel

Brendan Hughes

BTW, I didn't say hi moses, or Andy. Nice to see you both back (albeit briefly)

moses

also my bros, Allah didnt make the jews a chosen race, but chosen for the message and to enlight mankind as he did with the muslims and true followers of christ, but jews didnt fullfill the promise, rather they become disobediant and God punished them in the bible and in history and God forgave them and sent them messengers and prophets who some they mocked and the rest they killed.

and Allah says the jews say we r the chosen people and christians say we r, if that woz the case why does Allah punish them for their sins

Gods chosen r the ones who believe in him and obey his commandments and believe inthe last day , jews, christians or muslims and anyone who doesnt associate partners with him.

what happened to the jews in history, is something not to gloat about, it woz sickening and evil, its sad to hear people condoning the past

all the best bros ted, your a good man

moses

hi brendan hows u mate, nice to see u bud, salamun alaikum bros zuby and everyone , luan and all and sj skyline so nice to hear from u bud


all the best all

moses

just for u bros ted

the surah heifer , the story of the children of israel in the bible and jew is a race and not a religion, jewish religion aint in the torah it woz created after prophet moses, peace


111. And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."

112. Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

113. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

114. And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for the worship of Allah, Allah.s name should be celebrated?-whose zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment.

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135. They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."

136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

137. So if they believe as ye believe, they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back, it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

warrenm2

***** NEWS FLASH ******

THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE OR ACCURATE!


*****END FLASH *******

Reality

Wrong. It refers to members of the congregation as sheep (Flock 0f) - which they are .

Well - it's either Sheep or seagulls

warrenm2

P.S. You dont have a big friend in the sky either

HTH

Hoppy

Moses, you are a good example of the problem. You see a tragic picture of a dead Lebanese girl, and your reaction is: "i wanted to slay all the zionist ****'s i see and cursed the end of israel". That is not an acceptable statement. It is just shows your blind hatred and desire for bloody revenge. It is highly inflamatory, it takes the debate nowhere and it does you no personal credit either.

What is your reaction to images of dead Israeli children? Honestly?

Maybe this is where we get to see the heart of the matter. Mutual hatred - an utterly destructive emotion.

Richard.

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

*sigh*

I just hope in 3000 years time (at a guess) that knowledge, information, education and everything central to human enrichment and enchancement will finally disperse these 'religion' tales that are presently banded about today.

Once there was a time when people thought the gods lived in the clouds above Mount Olympus.

C'mon you humans, you can do it!

Before the dirty bombs start would be handy

moses

when i see dead israeli children i feel the same and u r so blind u dont even know over the 50 yrs the palestinian and lebanese children outnumber then by hundreds and thousands, u narrow minded zionist

and yes im honest, i HATE ISRAEL AND ITS **** SUPREMISCT REGIME

at least im honest

and for the sake of my friend ted, i aint gonna say no more


cheers

Martin_Aimless

warrenm2

You are a moronic oxygen thief, do everyone a favour and leave again

At least Im honest!

moses

and your a c;unt and at least im honest


lol martin aimless that woz funny

cheers