Maz

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Now now boys! You're both adults.

TimmyboyWRX

sure it was a pity that an innocent man had to die under those circumstances, but i dont agree that he was 'murdered' by british police.

What you have to take from this is that would you rather have Police that are afraid to use nessecary force to stop a criminal becasue they think they will be prosecuted if they get it wrong?
What if he had been a terrorist and they hadnt shot him and hed have blown up the train? then theyd still be in the wrong for not acting in a timely manner and 'taking him out' when they had the chance.
Its a lose lose situation for the policeman in that kind of situation and i am glad i dont find myself in their position.

daiscooby

Just faulty intel, **** happens.

Never would have happened on my shift, honest

kingofturds

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Saw his family on the news over here still, "campaigning for justice". Campaigning for a £ million+ compensation payout more like

daiscooby

On to every bandwagon these days the masses tumble.

Its the American 'Ambulance chaser where theres blame theres a claim' mentality

TimmyboyWRX

yes, i think its totally wrong in this case tho, as i said in previous post, the guys that shot him couldve been blamed whatever they did if hed been a real terrorist, i think his family will be 'campaigning for justice' for as long as they like, they will never get what they want, i.e an officer getting charged with murder or something, because there cannot be a precident set whereby a member of the countries police or security service is charged for using 'reasonable force' when he deems it needed, because it undermines the authority of the police and will result in special weapons teams being afraid to use weapons on terrorists, or bank robbers or nutters with guns incase its a fake gun or summit and they get charged with murder!

these things happen in the modern world dont they? someone made a mistake, but id personally rather that mistake resulted in one innocent life lost rather than potentially 100s of innocent lives lost becasue the policeman in question was afraid to use his weapon, and im sure alot of people would agree with me

daiscooby

They weren't Police, they were SRR What my old mob became

TimmyboyWRX

ah well i dunno who they are, but i was just making assumptions lol ( the worst thing to do no doubt lol)

daiscooby

No probs mate, its the press who paint it as the Police, so all follow the lead.

But its an offshot of the Royal Corps of Intelligence.

Its a follow on from the work I was in 20 years ago.

johnfelstead

He wasnt under suspicion, they followed the wrong person. The Police were surveying a diferent person in his building, one of his neibours, but the officer asigned to this task went for a toilet break and when he returned thought it was the real suspect who had just left the building. From then on it escalated into yet more misinformation and poor comunication, which ultimately led to him being shot.

It was a lucky break for the Government/police that the wrong guy they followed happened to be illegally here, that was pure chance, it could quite easily have been you or one of your family.

If you had any real concern, you would concentrate on the lack of competence of the Polices systems that should not be able to have such a catalogue of cockups all the way through this tragic case. Everything from the lack of cover to allow a Surveylance officer time to take a ****, all the way through the incompetance that allowed this then falsely suspect person to get onto a bus, twice, then inside a tubestation, when they thought he was a real threat, to him being killed and the Police then going on a media lieing spree.

The current state of the Polices IT and inteligence systems are a complete joke which leads to many false arrests and detentions, when it really goes **** up you end up with potential bombers (as they thought this suspect was post him being incorectly identified) getting to their targets.

But of course the real importance of this tragic story isnt being pursued by the Media, quite conveniently. The UK Media is a pathetic excuse for Journalism these days allowing us to sleep walk into a disasterous situation for our safety and liberties, there is no acountability for anything anymore.

Rabid

Getting upset because someone says you're a nonce expert?

Luckily threats from a cripple don't scare me.

The Zohan

Hi Suresh,

Not often this happens howwever, i concurr!

Leslie

I find it disappointing that so many on this thread have so liitle sympathy that the poor bloke lost his life for goodness sake. I understand that the police pumped 11 shots into him as was reported the other day. I personally feel that was certainly well over the top, as 7 shots would be, he was lying on the floor with coppers on top of him. Looks to me like some trigger happy individuals. It was a gross error by the police service as a whole and the efforts by the commissioner's office to cover up the fact that he was innocent and the attempts to stop the IPCC to attend immediately to investigate also paints the police in a poor light. I agree that the police have to act quickly if they think he is carrying a bomb and that it is a dangerous operation, but they should have been more careful before they killed him.

His stay in this country, illegal or whatever did not justify his death.

Les

Les

mad_dr

AHA! There we go! Daiscooby has admitted that this was all his fault!

lozgti

Certainly an odd case.I can't understand why (wrong suspect or not) they followed him all the way to the tube to shoot him in a flurry of panic.Why not just collar him as soon as he walked out the house?

Family are a bit odd though.What other justice can they receive or do they want apart from money?I see the two brothers arrested recently re chemical attack have joined up with them.

The menezes family are a stark contrast to the family that just lost their son in that fight at the weekend (the 'race' thing-allegedly).

Diablo

Actually Suresh that analogy is wrong.

In the UK, if the burglar got bitten to death, the dogs owners would be responsible - much like the police were on the point in question.

Not that I have an issue with shooting illegals on site, mind you

Fantom

Think its from "Friday"

danwrx1980

14 Int were saying years ago that they could do ALL the forward recce's for ALL of the forces, which is just bull****. All of their training was for Ireland which is a totally different scenario than war in the gulf or attacks in Sierra Leone.
So 14 Int get their wishes and just after that Bang an 'innocent' (depends which side of the fence you're sitting on) guy gets shot on the underground.

Now I understand all of the issue about if he wasn't there they couldn't have shot him, but the fact is he WAS there and he DID get shot.
We need to take away from this the fact that there are over 420 000 immigrants in this country that we have no tabs on whatsoever, and as mentioned the fat ba$tards sitting behind their desks at the Home Office on mega salaries are simply not delivering the goods.
If you want to take it a stage further if he had not run away from the police (or whoever you believe these guys were) he would not have been shot then. So who was in the wrong?

The Home Office and the government once again for not ensuring that their policies were being implemented in an efficient and effective manner. The guys at the sharp end (ie the cops) were just doing another impossible job given to them by the wildly expensive and incompetent Home Office / Immigration Service.

Dan.

Reality

I think it's been proved that no warnings were given and he didn't even run onto the train - that was Blair's (Ian) cover up