Ban ALL MUSLIMS from flying?
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Originally Posted by brickboy
All surveys are bull****, and it doesn't matter who does them -- Mori, YouGov, ICM, or you down the pub on the back of a beermat.
All the "respected agencies" do is take the money, ask the demographic sample they are instructed to talk to the questions that they are given by the client, and compile the results.
I've commissioned enough of them for the work I do.
All the "respected agencies" do is take the money, ask the demographic sample they are instructed to talk to the questions that they are given by the client, and compile the results.
I've commissioned enough of them for the work I do.
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Surveys have a role, especially if you're trying to get money out of someone or influence public opinion.
The way you ask the questions and the questions you ask are hugely influential. For example (and it's made up, obviously), suppose you asked "Do you feel that a mandatory 50mph speed limit across the country is preferable to the deaths of 11,000 children a year from Mosquito borne infection?" You would then be able to publish the 'fact' that a recent nationwide survey showed the public to be overwhelmingly in favour of a blanket 50mph speed limit...
It's not quite that blatant, as there are rules about how these things are supposed to be done, but that's the general principle.
So you commission a survey and load it to give the answer you want - yes, the public support your invading a foreign country, yes this advertising campaign is effective, no, we don't feel our civil rights are being eroded etc...
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The way you ask the questions and the questions you ask are hugely influential. For example (and it's made up, obviously), suppose you asked "Do you feel that a mandatory 50mph speed limit across the country is preferable to the deaths of 11,000 children a year from Mosquito borne infection?" You would then be able to publish the 'fact' that a recent nationwide survey showed the public to be overwhelmingly in favour of a blanket 50mph speed limit...
It's not quite that blatant, as there are rules about how these things are supposed to be done, but that's the general principle.
So you commission a survey and load it to give the answer you want - yes, the public support your invading a foreign country, yes this advertising campaign is effective, no, we don't feel our civil rights are being eroded etc...
Simple really.
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Saved me the trouble of typing all that, SB, ta ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
We commission them because they work. I should have said survey FINDINGS are bull****.
Journalists will tell you they are deeply suspicious of surveys but they work as a PR tool to create "news". Note the use of inverted commas.
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We commission them because they work. I should have said survey FINDINGS are bull****.
Journalists will tell you they are deeply suspicious of surveys but they work as a PR tool to create "news". Note the use of inverted commas.
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Only problem if you banned terrorists from flying is that I am sure they could find a way to get the bombs in the hold baggage to operate on a time or altitude switch for the detonator.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Only problem if you banned terrorists from flying is that I am sure they could find a way to get the bombs in the hold baggage to operate on a time or altitude switch for the detonator.
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Of course we will hardly ever be able to do anything about corrupt workers.
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But hasnt it already been discussed that even if a bomb went off in the baggage hold it wouldnt effect the structure of the plane? Bomb proof if you like?
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Originally Posted by brickboy
Saved me the trouble of typing all that, SB, ta ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
We commission them because they work. I should have said survey FINDINGS are bull****.
Journalists will tell you they are deeply suspicious of surveys but they work as a PR tool to create "news". Note the use of inverted commas.
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We commission them because they work. I should have said survey FINDINGS are bull****.
Journalists will tell you they are deeply suspicious of surveys but they work as a PR tool to create "news". Note the use of inverted commas.
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It's not a case of believing your own findings or not, because that's a moot point.
It's a case of your target audience believing the findings. And if they're too gullible/ill informed/plain stupid to understand how these things work then you're onto a winner...
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It's a case of your target audience believing the findings. And if they're too gullible/ill informed/plain stupid to understand how these things work then you're onto a winner...
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After reading this thread its my turn to chip in. Sorry '200T london' but your the reason why this country is going down the pan. An out of touch fool who preaches from the grand of US of A. Go and join Tony benn
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Originally Posted by Lord Shrek
exactly son of quatto!
too many of these 2000tlondon 'but fred west did get abused as a child' species plague this country and make it weak
they all have one thing in common when conversing with someone in the real world...they play the 'race card' and 'lack of intelligence' argument to feel superior
Lord Shrek......god help the 8th army if 2000tlondon had of been in charge of the desert rats at El Alamein![Thumb](images/smilies/thumb.gif)
too many of these 2000tlondon 'but fred west did get abused as a child' species plague this country and make it weak
they all have one thing in common when conversing with someone in the real world...they play the 'race card' and 'lack of intelligence' argument to feel superior
Lord Shrek......god help the 8th army if 2000tlondon had of been in charge of the desert rats at El Alamein
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Turns out several of the suspects were Christians, and converted to Islam.... Do we now have to consider a blanket ban on Christians flying? Can we now label all Christians as potential Islamic fundamentalists? There must be some sort of extreme generalisation we can use with Christians, too.....
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
It's not a case of believing your own findings or not, because that's a moot point.
It's a case of your target audience believing the findings. And if they're too gullible/ill informed/plain stupid to understand how these things work then you're onto a winner...
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It's a case of your target audience believing the findings. And if they're too gullible/ill informed/plain stupid to understand how these things work then you're onto a winner...
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It sounds like you're trying to develop opinion based on your findings.
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What has a Christian got to do with a Christian converted to Muslim, 200T? I'm confused. Unless you're talking about the faint chance of onboard conversion?? In my mind it's probably the converted Christians that you really DO have to keep a watchful eye on, after all they're going to be the ones brainwashed by the whole Islamic ideology.
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
I think we're talking about completely different forms of surveys. For marketing purposes we need them to be as accurate as possible, otherwise they'll completely muck up your branding/positioning or whatever you're trying to achieve as a result of the survey.
It sounds like you're trying to develop opinion based on your findings.
It sounds like you're trying to develop opinion based on your findings.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
What has a Christian got to do with a Christian converted to Muslim, 200T? I'm confused. Unless you're talking about the faint chance of onboard conversion?? In my mind it's probably the converted Christians that you really DO have to keep a watchful eye on, after all they're going to be the ones brainwashed by the whole Islamic ideology.
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
Ban anybody with a beard from flying..... never trust a person with a beard! Especially women!!
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