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10 August 2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
I'm not Musilm but I do have a good mix of friends and follow the news (BBC/Reuters) and don't rely on SN or News of the World, but this is my take on things.
1. It has nothing to do with British Muslims wanting an Islamic state.
2. It has everything to do with things that are going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and now Lebanon.
3. The double standards re Nuclear weapons - Iraq, Iran etc cant have nuclear weapons yet they have the worlds most valuable resources to protect. And guess what?.....the only country to use Nuclear weapons on another country? Yep.....the USA.
4. It makes many peoples blood boil (inc non-musilms, like myself) and people get fed up protesting. Unfortunately there are Musilm radicals that will assist/manipulate these people into taking the only action they see will have any impact.
5. The US has so much blood on their hands. Bush is just a war monger. Unfortunatley we are dragged into it because Blair is Bush's lapdog.
6. We would not be attacked if we did not get involved with Bush's wars. Other countries are wise enough to stay clear and as a result dont get attacked.
1. It has nothing to do with British Muslims wanting an Islamic state.
2. It has everything to do with things that are going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and now Lebanon.
3. The double standards re Nuclear weapons - Iraq, Iran etc cant have nuclear weapons yet they have the worlds most valuable resources to protect. And guess what?.....the only country to use Nuclear weapons on another country? Yep.....the USA.
4. It makes many peoples blood boil (inc non-musilms, like myself) and people get fed up protesting. Unfortunately there are Musilm radicals that will assist/manipulate these people into taking the only action they see will have any impact.
5. The US has so much blood on their hands. Bush is just a war monger. Unfortunatley we are dragged into it because Blair is Bush's lapdog.
6. We would not be attacked if we did not get involved with Bush's wars. Other countries are wise enough to stay clear and as a result dont get attacked.
Bob, I think you are mistaken. The basic problem is Muslim extremists whose faith is incompatible with our Western values and it is their duty to over-throw them. Listen to what extreme Muslim supporters have said on ScoobyNet recently (although they have been very quiet today so far). Yes, they are not only in Britain, they are on ScoobyNet too
Start with this thread and you'll soon get an idea of the problem: https://www.scoobynet.com/israel-rig...g-t529762.html
Iraq/Israel etc helps to fuel the fires, but that's not at the heart of it. Check your history. Just google something like Muslim Terror Attacks and see what comes up. Islamic terror is global - we and the US just happen to be top of the list.
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10 August 2006, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
No. The poll demonstates how many naive people there are on SN which aren't in touch with reality.
Can I remind you that shortly before 7/7 you were scoffing at Government suggestions that there were terrorist cells operating in the country. I'll dig out the thread and bump it later, just for you.
10 August 2006, 02:18 PM
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For anybody that thinks Islamic terror is something new, something to do with the invasion of Iraq or the present Israel/Hezbollah conflict, scroll down this link for a list of events going back several decades:
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp
[i]"...The current violence is part of the Islamic radicalism espoused by groups like al Qaeda. The objective is the expulsion of infidels (non-Moslems) from Islamic areas (as defined by Islamic radicals) and the eventual conversion of all infidels to Islam. This religion based terrorism has killed over half a million infidels (mostly Christians) in the past two decades.
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Do you still think if we pull out of Iraq that Muslim terror campaigns will stop?
Richard.
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp
[i]"...The current violence is part of the Islamic radicalism espoused by groups like al Qaeda. The objective is the expulsion of infidels (non-Moslems) from Islamic areas (as defined by Islamic radicals) and the eventual conversion of all infidels to Islam. This religion based terrorism has killed over half a million infidels (mostly Christians) in the past two decades.
"[i/]
Do you still think if we pull out of Iraq that Muslim terror campaigns will stop?
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10 August 2006, 02:25 PM
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And Richard, how much of that do you think is due to the US sponsorship of Israel? Something ELSE we've signed up to do just to be America's bum chum.
10 August 2006, 03:10 PM
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Tel/Bob,
All I have done is a bit of google to show that modern Ismalic Terror goes back several decades and is global, not just restricted to the US, the UK or to Israel. Try it yourself
The situation in Israel doesn't help but historically, the Jews have as much right to claim that territorry as anybody else (it goes back about 3,000 years) and, perhaps more pertinently, it was Britain and the US that establsihed the state of Israel after WW2. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we did it, it's not going away, we have have a national responibility to try and sort out on-going problems.
I wish it was otherwise, but you can't just walk away from obligations when it suits you.
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All I have done is a bit of google to show that modern Ismalic Terror goes back several decades and is global, not just restricted to the US, the UK or to Israel. Try it yourself
The situation in Israel doesn't help but historically, the Jews have as much right to claim that territorry as anybody else (it goes back about 3,000 years) and, perhaps more pertinently, it was Britain and the US that establsihed the state of Israel after WW2. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we did it, it's not going away, we have have a national responibility to try and sort out on-going problems.
I wish it was otherwise, but you can't just walk away from obligations when it suits you.
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10 August 2006, 03:18 PM
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Richard i still maintain that the majority of UK-directed aggression is due to our involvement in the Middle East. Our tacit support of Israel's recent actions just adds fuel to their fire. Sod historical obligations, let's have a referendum on whether we should be putting out own civilians at risk as a result of our policies abroad, and take it from there.
10 August 2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Richard: Thats a load of tosh.
Show me the figures for the 500,000+ people killed by Islamic 'Terrorists' over the last 20 years.
Then show me the figures for how many people have been killed by Christian 'armies'
Show me the figures for the 500,000+ people killed by Islamic 'Terrorists' over the last 20 years.
Then show me the figures for how many people have been killed by Christian 'armies'
10 August 2006, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
Islamic terror is global - we and the US just happen to be top of the list.
Originally Posted by Hoppy
Do you still think if we pull out of Iraq that Muslim terror campaigns will stop?
Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety
10 August 2006, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by D.K.1
I think they are brainwashed and have mental disorders to do such a thing. Nobody right in their head would blow themselves up for anything IMO
10 August 2006, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
Tel/Bob,
A, the Jews have as much right to claim that territorry as anybody else (
Richard.
A, the Jews have as much right to claim that territorry as anybody else (
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10 August 2006, 06:36 PM
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Love how its all this Muslim brothers ****, different countries but because they all beleive the same thing, they are all mates, yeah right, they want to blow us up, each other, they just dont want to be Muslims, suicide is a way out and they think they may come back as something they enjoy ?
10 August 2006, 06:48 PM
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everything to do with world events... and perceptionis of injustices towards Islamic world so they trying to fight back obviously.
Got $h1t to do with trying to convert GB to Islamic GB.
Just btw... the religion itself does not promote suicide.. that is like supposed to be the last resort.
A dude in the middle of a squatter camp in Gaza with nothing, no firearms or anything..facing up to a tank and soldiers with firearms and flak jackets you sort of see that he feels blowing himself up is last resort. Just i.m.o.
But a dude blowing himself up in built up London to achieve something just don't seem on the same level. But this is purely from the point of consideringn what goes on in their minds. The real truth only they know i guess..but what is more probable
Got $h1t to do with trying to convert GB to Islamic GB.
Just btw... the religion itself does not promote suicide.. that is like supposed to be the last resort.
A dude in the middle of a squatter camp in Gaza with nothing, no firearms or anything..facing up to a tank and soldiers with firearms and flak jackets you sort of see that he feels blowing himself up is last resort. Just i.m.o.
But a dude blowing himself up in built up London to achieve something just don't seem on the same level. But this is purely from the point of consideringn what goes on in their minds. The real truth only they know i guess..but what is more probable
10 August 2006, 07:24 PM
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It is interesting to observe that many religions have some requirement for personal sacrifice. Most recently we see this with the middle class suburban religion of man made global warming which is rife in the UK. The first requirement is that is based upon faith rather than facts and so the published facts, this for example:
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/a...Mletter06.html
are ignored as being the work of some form of evil spirit which seeks to misdirect the true believer.
Then it is necessary to make sacrifice to cement one's position within the cult and in the case of the man made global warming true believer these sacrifices come in giving up your car, or avoiding other lifestyle choices which are temptations placed by satan.
While this may seem like a strange thing to say under the current circumstances it is easy to see the parallels and it is easy to see how the more extreme members of each religious group can be directed to carry out acts that to others seem strange. So, I would argue that the potential for irrational behaviour in search of some "religious" goal is in some way hard wired into all of us and this opens us all to the potential for doing silly things to follow our chosen religion. Blowing up planes is, perhaps, the most dramatic way to exhibit this human trait but it is little different, at least in any abstract consideration of motive and what part of human nature drives it, than what a man made global warming true believer does each day by way of sacrifice and I suspect that the mental and social mechanisms are exactly the same in each case.
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/a...Mletter06.html
are ignored as being the work of some form of evil spirit which seeks to misdirect the true believer.
Then it is necessary to make sacrifice to cement one's position within the cult and in the case of the man made global warming true believer these sacrifices come in giving up your car, or avoiding other lifestyle choices which are temptations placed by satan.
While this may seem like a strange thing to say under the current circumstances it is easy to see the parallels and it is easy to see how the more extreme members of each religious group can be directed to carry out acts that to others seem strange. So, I would argue that the potential for irrational behaviour in search of some "religious" goal is in some way hard wired into all of us and this opens us all to the potential for doing silly things to follow our chosen religion. Blowing up planes is, perhaps, the most dramatic way to exhibit this human trait but it is little different, at least in any abstract consideration of motive and what part of human nature drives it, than what a man made global warming true believer does each day by way of sacrifice and I suspect that the mental and social mechanisms are exactly the same in each case.
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