Should Muslim community spokesmen be apologising?
10 August 2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
...why should the majority 75% be punished for the sins of the 25%?
But what I am asking is that the majority of peacful British Muslims publicly and demonstrably reject the terrorists among them, and their extremist beliefs. The Muslim community knows who these people are, and being passive or turning a blind eye is not good enough.
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10 August 2006, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
If we move onto the question is it legitimate to have as an aim the creation of a British Muslim state then I have to say if that's achieved by democratic means then surely we all have to accept it?
It may take some time but I believe that one day we will see Islam having a stronger influence over the political state rather than christianity.
It may take some time but I believe that one day we will see Islam having a stronger influence over the political state rather than christianity.
You might, unfortunately in my view, be right. Your language seems to suggest that you'd embrace the change you've described. Can i ask why, if that's the case?
10 August 2006, 03:42 PM
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Interesting what you say there Rabid, and yes if 'the creation of a british muslim state is achived by democratic means' then we will have to accept it. Speaking as a christian it just means that the majority christian population should start taking an interest in the politics of their own country, becasue i dont agree that any country should be run by a minority, be it religious or otherwise.
How many people here (british, white, christian, whatever) would support suicide bombings by young christain men, to try and bring down the Islamic govnt of britain ( democratically elected dont forget ) ?
Because that is essentially what the argument is here, you cannot blame musilms for supporting their extremists if you would do the same ( ok so its not a great argument, and not really that similar, but it did raise that idea in my head)
How many people here (british, white, christian, whatever) would support suicide bombings by young christain men, to try and bring down the Islamic govnt of britain ( democratically elected dont forget ) ?
Because that is essentially what the argument is here, you cannot blame musilms for supporting their extremists if you would do the same ( ok so its not a great argument, and not really that similar, but it did raise that idea in my head)
10 August 2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
You're nothing but a scabby old racist with some muslim hate issues probably related to your malfunctioning ***** or similar.
My apologies for taking you in any way seriously. lol
10 August 2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
You might, unfortunately in my view, be right. Your language seems to suggest that you'd embrace the change you've described. Can i ask why, if that's the case?
For that reason alone I think it would be a good thing to see a Muslim led Great Britain.
10 August 2006, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
My apologies for taking you in any way seriously. lol
How about one for being a bigot now before you crawl back under your rock?
10 August 2006, 04:03 PM
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Here's an idea for you...
Originally Posted by Rabid
It makes no difference to me what religious interests run our state. The failure of christianity though means that a Muslim state may at least have some energy and impetus for change.
For that reason alone I think it would be a good thing to see a Muslim led Great Britain.
For that reason alone I think it would be a good thing to see a Muslim led Great Britain.
10 August 2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
I would also be interested to hear from several ScoobyNetters who have been very vocal on this BBS in condemning Israel over recent weeks. Some have also expressed clear support for 9/11 and the London Bombings
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10 August 2006, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
It makes no difference to me what religious interests run our state.
The failure of christianity
a Muslim state may at least have some energy and impetus for change.
For that reason alone I think it would be a good thing to see a Muslim led Great Britain.
10 August 2006, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
You really haven't got a clue have you? Most muslims don't want to see death, destruction or terrorism. Get a grip you sound like a rabid old racist hatemonger.
muslims only chirp up against israel or the USA or even Britain for killing muslim brothers...never against their own
this is why i cant understand muslims....they are riddled with contradictions
Lord Shrek....a muslim brother can kill a fellow muslim brother no problemo
10 August 2006, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
I think you'll find there are several Muslim led states in the world. I suggest you move to one, if you think they have "energy and impetus"
10 August 2006, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
It makes no difference to me what religious interests run our state. The failure of christianity though means that a Muslim state may at least have some energy and impetus for change.
For that reason alone I think it would be a good thing to see a Muslim led Great Britain.
For that reason alone I think it would be a good thing to see a Muslim led Great Britain.
The failure of Christianty compared to Islam? You are off you fcking rocker mate. If you want to go back to the middle ages, why don't you move to Iran, Islamabad, Afganistan or Achea or someother 3rd world sh1thole where they have the "energy and impetus for change" that you so desire?
10 August 2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by white
What I love is the way a Muslim spokesman will say that 'Not Muslim's are terrorists'. Well how come all terrosists are Muslim's???
10 August 2006, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
The failure of Christianty compared to Islam? You are off you fcking rocker mate. If you want to go back to the middle ages, why don't you move to Iran, Islamabad, Afganistan or Achea or someother 3rd world sh1thole where they have the "energy and impetus for change" that you so desire?
10 August 2006, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
First of all I don't believe that 25% of British Muslims support terrorist actions. It's nothing more than a very small minority although I'd imagine hate crimes of the type the racist pig who started this thread no doubt supports are only going to polarise views further.
As it's a minority I'd say the problem isn't one that cannot be solved. We've seen a major plot stopped today and that's good news. What we need to do now is build on that and get the mainly peaceful Muslim community to support the efforts of the police to stop this happening.
If we move onto the question is it legitimate to have as an aim the creation of a British Muslim state then I have to say if that's achieved by democratic means then surely we all have to accept it?
It may take some time but I believe that one day we will see Islam having a stronger influence over the political state rather than christianity.
As it's a minority I'd say the problem isn't one that cannot be solved. We've seen a major plot stopped today and that's good news. What we need to do now is build on that and get the mainly peaceful Muslim community to support the efforts of the police to stop this happening.
If we move onto the question is it legitimate to have as an aim the creation of a British Muslim state then I have to say if that's achieved by democratic means then surely we all have to accept it?
It may take some time but I believe that one day we will see Islam having a stronger influence over the political state rather than christianity.
Then you round it off with: "It may take some time but I believe that one day we will see Islam having a stronger influence over the political state rather than christianity." Given that this is by definition impossible by democratic means without the majority population becoming Muslims, how is that ever going to happen? In your other recent posts we've read about your hatred for Israel and how you would like it to be wiped from the face of the earth. By violence, or is that also going to be achieved democratically?
I think your true colours are showing through the ****** in your argument.Richard.
10 August 2006, 04:16 PM
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That'll be because I'm British.
10 August 2006, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
...as were all the 7/7 terrorists and probably the bunch they just picked up - Brits of Pakistani heritage. So what's your point?
It's a perfectly legitimate aim to make the British Isles a Muslim state, through peaceful and democratic means.
Neither do I accept that Islam and democracy are mutually exclusive.
10 August 2006, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
Apology accepted.
We, the honest and decent people of this country, are still waiting.....
10 August 2006, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Good, now where is the apology from your leaders - you know the one's who tell you what you are and are not allowed to think - for all the trouble your community has caused everyone today? We're still waiting.....
10 August 2006, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
Who on here claimed to support 9/11 over recent weeks then ?
https://www.scoobynet.com/israel-rig...g-t529762.html
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10 August 2006, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Good, now where is the apology from your leaders - you know the one's who tell you what you are and are not allowed to think - for all the trouble your community has caused everyone today? We're still waiting.....
I'm not a Muslim and they aren't my community.
To my eternal shame 'my community' is most probably people like you, fat *** stupid racist white cracker-jackers.
10 August 2006, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
My leaders? My community?
I'm not a Muslim and they aren't my community.
To my eternal shame 'my community' is most probably people like you, fat *** stupid racist white cracker-jackers.
I'm not a Muslim and they aren't my community.
To my eternal shame 'my community' is most probably people like you, fat *** stupid racist white cracker-jackers.
10 August 2006, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
My point is that I'm British so I wouldn't need to move anywhere.
It's a perfectly legitimate aim to make the British Isles a Muslim state, through peaceful and democratic means.
Neither do I accept that Islam and democracy are mutually exclusive.
It's a perfectly legitimate aim to make the British Isles a Muslim state, through peaceful and democratic means.
Neither do I accept that Islam and democracy are mutually exclusive.
10 August 2006, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Hey, dogman how are you? 
I'm particularly good, thank you. Watching you take a "kicking" for your somewhat misguided and ill informed viewpoint just adds to my sense of wellbeing this afternoon
10 August 2006, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Good, now where is the apology from your leaders - you know the one's who tell you what you are and are not allowed to think - for all the trouble your community has caused everyone today?
We, the honest and decent people of this country, are still waiting.....
We, the honest and decent people of this country, are still waiting.....
What do you believe will be achieved with this apology?
10 August 2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
To my eternal shame 'my community' is most probably people like you
Now, on your bike sonny - there are lots of car doors for you to kick and innocent drivers to intimidate - you angry young man you...
10 August 2006, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Why wouldn't you want to move to one of the hell holes I mentionned to first get an idea of 'paradise' before you naiievely (sp.) try to implement it?
What I do believe is that it's a perfectly legitimate aspiration of British Muslims to create such a state.
I'm also a great believer that change, radical change is usually only for the better.
10 August 2006, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
That sentiment is quite easily and readily reversed.
Now, on your bike sonny - there are lots of car doors for you to kick and innocent drivers to intimidate - you angry young man you...
Now, on your bike sonny - there are lots of car doors for you to kick and innocent drivers to intimidate - you angry young man you...
Does that make you feel "hard" ladyboy? (God forbid it probably gets you hard
)