Should Muslim community spokesmen be apologising?
10 August 2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
Why are you so determined that they should apologise when you've admitted it won't make any difference to your views? 
What do you believe will be achieved with this apology?
What do you believe will be achieved with this apology?
Granted that in today's society people are rarely capable of admitting being in the wrong, they are more interested in their rights not their responsibilities you it comes as no surprise to me if you can't understand the concept.
10 August 2006, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Let's put it this way. if you make a f*ck up in your everyday life (not that you ever do of course) one that causes a great deal of problems for other people you should say sorry and admit your at fault.
Granted that in today's society people are rarely capable of admitting being in the wrong, they are more interested in their rights not their responsibilities you it comes as no surprise to me if you can't understand the concept.
Granted that in today's society people are rarely capable of admitting being in the wrong, they are more interested in their rights not their responsibilities you it comes as no surprise to me if you can't understand the concept.
But if some mad Scotsman decides to run amock and kill people, I'm not going to apologise for his actions by association of nationality.
Your point is hugely flawed
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10 August 2006, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Let's put it this way. if you make a f*ck up in your everyday life (not that you ever do of course) one that causes a great deal of problems for other people you should say sorry and admit your at fault.
Granted that in today's society people are rarely capable of admitting being in the wrong, they are more interested in their rights not their responsibilities you it comes as no surprise to me if you can't understand the concept.
Granted that in today's society people are rarely capable of admitting being in the wrong, they are more interested in their rights not their responsibilities you it comes as no surprise to me if you can't understand the concept.
I don't expect anyone to do anything for the sake of it - that's just a waste of everyone's time and energy.
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10 August 2006, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
I'm also a great believer that change, radical change is usually only for the better.
10 August 2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
I'm not a Muslim and they aren't my community.
10 August 2006, 04:44 PM
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I'm also a great believer that change, radical change is usually only for the better.
Shame on you.
10 August 2006, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
That's irrelevant. You clearly share the same views and, in connection with your comments on Israel at least, also condone violence.
Sadly, due to the maniacs running israel, I fear violence will be the only solution.
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Originally Posted by Diablo
But if some mad Scotsman decides to run amock and kill people, I'm not going to apologise for his actions by association of nationality.
10 August 2006, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
So expelling all muslims through democratic means would be fine by you then?
Shame on you.
Shame on you.
10 August 2006, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
No, but if the whole country was pointing an accusing finger in your direction for whatever reason, silence would be interpreted as guilt.
Richard, if the whole country was pointing an accusing finger in my direction for whatever reason they would be politely invited to **** off
They could interpret that as they wanted - their issue, not mine.
10 August 2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
No I don't condone violence, what I said was that when I see the war crimes of israel I wish they could taste some of their own medicine. I also said that this wasn't a serious wish or aim of mine.
Sadly, due to the maniacs running israel, I fear violence will be the only solution.
Sadly, due to the maniacs running israel, I fear violence will be the only solution.
"100% with Moses on this one, the world would be a better place if the state of Israel was wiped off the face of the earth."
That sounds very much like you condone violence, and it also reads as a "serious wish or aim" of yours.
I do understand that there are a lot of contradictory emotions inside all of us when stuff like this gets discussed, but you said what did just over a week ago.
Richard.
10 August 2006, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
Rabid, this is what you actually said on the Israel thread:
"100% with Moses on this one, the world would be a better place if the state of Israel was wiped off the face of the earth."
That sounds very much like you condone violence, and it also reads as a "serious wish or aim" of yours.
I do understand that there are a lot of contradictory emotions inside all of us when stuff like this gets discussed, but you said what did just over a week ago.
Richard.
"100% with Moses on this one, the world would be a better place if the state of Israel was wiped off the face of the earth."
That sounds very much like you condone violence, and it also reads as a "serious wish or aim" of yours.
I do understand that there are a lot of contradictory emotions inside all of us when stuff like this gets discussed, but you said what did just over a week ago.
Richard.
It might come to that though.
10 August 2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Because?
10 August 2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
You contributed to this thread re Israel. Perhaps you should also have read it.
https://www.scoobynet.com/israel-rig...g-t529762.html
Richard
https://www.scoobynet.com/israel-rig...g-t529762.html
Richard
I have read it and don't remember anyone saying they supported terrorist action in the UK or the 7/7 so I would suggest that you are a liar a ****-stirrer and an idiot.
10 August 2006, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid
because there would be no majority in favour of it.......I do beieve though that God willing the Muslim community might gather enough numbers and support to achieve 'Islamic GB' and good luck to them.
10 August 2006, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Nope, he's at least as bad. But that's not the point of this thread.
two totally separate issues
10 August 2006, 06:54 PM
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UB just because you watched the Muslim documentary on TV recently it doesn't make you an expert. Anyway anybody can make up stats to show whaatever they want and I'm sure Tony Blair has everyone in fear of our Muslims communities to keep as all feeling like we need this fascist government.
Fact is most of the problems in the Middle East were caused by the UK at the turn of the century when we shafted the Arab nations when working with them to overcome the Ottoman empire. We then broke our promises causing some resetment but generally we were respected for working with them. Then after the current farcical wars for oil and the backing of Isreal we have aligned ourself, foolishly, as the puup/ biatch of the US.
It is about time this country behaved like a major power and made some decisins that come from the UK not the US.
The longer we back Isreal the longer we become a target and our presence in Muslim countries and the co-alitions inability to create order makes us a target as people lives are destroyed daily.
I'm not for one second condoning the actions of the nutters but to suggest the whole community knows who these peple are is utter rubbish.
If we treat our Muslim neighbours with the contempt that some people show on here we will never integrate and these problems will remain continually. If you take the time to understand people its much easier to see thier ppoint of view and get yours across.
Short sighted, biggotted views do nothing for the debate apart from show how many poorly educated morons of British origin we have here already.
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Fact is most of the problems in the Middle East were caused by the UK at the turn of the century when we shafted the Arab nations when working with them to overcome the Ottoman empire. We then broke our promises causing some resetment but generally we were respected for working with them. Then after the current farcical wars for oil and the backing of Isreal we have aligned ourself, foolishly, as the puup/ biatch of the US.
It is about time this country behaved like a major power and made some decisins that come from the UK not the US.
The longer we back Isreal the longer we become a target and our presence in Muslim countries and the co-alitions inability to create order makes us a target as people lives are destroyed daily.
I'm not for one second condoning the actions of the nutters but to suggest the whole community knows who these peple are is utter rubbish.
If we treat our Muslim neighbours with the contempt that some people show on here we will never integrate and these problems will remain continually. If you take the time to understand people its much easier to see thier ppoint of view and get yours across.
Short sighted, biggotted views do nothing for the debate apart from show how many poorly educated morons of British origin we have here already.
AllanB
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10 August 2006, 06:55 PM
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Oh an no they should be appologising its not like they organised it. Do you hear the G8 leaders appologising for raping Africa and sucking it dry of resources and paying them peanuts for thier products ? Nope !
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10 August 2006, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
I as a muslim hereby do offer my apologies for the actions of a few misguided idiots.
Maz
Maz
Lord Shrek...but i still wont watch the kumars at no42
10 August 2006, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I have read it and don't remember anyone saying they supported terrorist action in the UK or the 7/7 so I would suggest that you are a liar a ****-stirrer and an idiot.
They are all Islamic acts of terror. To argue anything different is to admit that there is as much conflict and chaos within Islam, as there is between Islam and The West. Probably there is
10 August 2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
Read it again. Bomb the Pentagon? Slay the Zionists? That's Islamic Al Qaeda metality, same as 9/11, London Bombings, Madrid, same as terrorist action prevented today. Muslims can't pick and choose which particular atrocities are conducted in their name as some being okay, but some not.
10 August 2006, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
1 Person, moses said that to bomb the pentagon was OK as it is a military target in a war against the USA which the USA started. He used that to contrast with Killing Civilians which he said is clearly wrong as they are not military targets so why don't YOU read the thread again.
bros sorry i aint been on for a day
and thanks bros for defending me while i woz away
see bros. hoppy is a zionist leach and he wants the fire aff the zionists back and jumps on the bandwagon to condemn muslims when in fact, the majority of the wars muslims via christians is coz of the zionist jews and zionists as a whole who pushed the usa for war against the muslim nations and mr blair jumps in the bandwagon too
and they think u can slay the muslims and oppress them and they will just sit back waiting to be slaughtered, shows the blinkers and stupidity of the western bigot and behind all this r these so called hoppy style snidey zionist *******s
no one even knows yet if these plots about the american airlines r true and already we have the usual bull**** from ub the **** stirrrer stealing woprds from a national front site who play the part of the british national party now
its a joke lol
and the c;unts who condone words like hitler should come back etc etc, here
makes u sad, when someone condones what osama does, **** hits the fan but when someone mentions hitler or a genocide against a community coz of what a few boys had done, they all tolerate it
its sickness in their minds which r fecked up
i cant compete with a cancer of the minds of folk like ub and hoppy
i say let them burn in their rage and God willing, they will get their just desserts like hitler, ****'s and arial sharon did
10 August 2006, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
I as a muslim hereby do offer my apologies for the actions of a few misguided idiots.
Maz
Maz
Thats the whole problem, "multiculturalism" doesnt work on a large scale. If immigrants adopt the values of the culture they are join (and become absorbed into the host society), then that seems to work ok - and small groups of immigrants who stick together and dont cause problems also seem fine (Chinese/Hindu for example), but large numbers of people with very different values to the rest of society (ie muslims in western countries) clearly doesnt work, and isnt going to suddenly work ffs!!
How long do we have to pretend that it does?
