Sbradley

Of course that also means the BNP could muzzle the Church of England, Christian Aid, Oxfam or indeed any other organisation which it might deem to be a religious organisation supporting an overt political agenda.

Whether that's any different from what B.Liar and his cronies will do in the name of national security is another matter entirely. But one bunch of power crazed loonies is not better than another...

SB

moses

hi mate, mate u didnt read my post properly, i said beheading the enemy as in occupiers and invaders, killing innocents is a crime for sure, even ken bigley, he woz a civilian even if he shouldnt have been their

mate also abu musab told the other lads to let margarrete the aid worker go, he said she woz an innocent the but the other lads he didnt know killed her when the americans bombed fallujah again, u mind and alot of innocent folk were killed, that woz a sin and also a sin woz when the scumbag terrorists killed margarrete

thats not allowed mate

mate we were on a subject , me and jasey if he had got caught what he would have done and i gave him my view of what i would have done, also if God chooses me to be a martyr , i dont know whats written in my fate, as they say, life is like a box of chocolates, u dont know what u r gonna get

if God chooses me to be a martyr or not, thats his choice and yes if i woz in that choice i would have loved to be a martyr, mate, imprisoned and humiliated aint a good thing mate, i rather be a martyr than that, just the thought of what the lads went through in abu ghraib and gitmo, makes me sick, i wish death upon those evil regimes who did that and condoned it



see bradley, here is a scumbag called socio who condones bnp= nazism but if a muslim stands up for the truth , they get called terrorists or fanatics

i actually cant wait for the day when the war will be taken onto the bnp's doorstep, enuff of their ****e and crap, its time the red white and blue bnp and evil nick and his stormtroopers were took on and slaughtered
that will be a just war

moses

mate have u seen v for vendetta, i luv that film, it sums it all up, whats gonna happen in the future


and also the bnp will be beaten as the nf woz in southall, their scum cowards, we arent

sociopath

moses

ok u wanna hear something from the bible then

http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm


stay on subject, u aint on subject

DCI Gene Hunt

Here he goes again! what a ****, one minute it's 'peace and love' the next it's a load of pro-terrorist slaughtering ****e........

Loony tunes cornershop owner................

dharbige

The BNP are a bunch of idiots. Saying all Muslims should be banned from flying because some sick people to claim to be Muslims plot to blow up planes is like suggesting that all football fans are hooligans because some people go to games in order to make trouble.
I and also object to their implication that all football hooligans are white working class men.

The people who planned to blow up planes were not Muslims - they were terrorists claiming to be Muslims.
The people banned from travelling during the world cup were not football fans - they were hooligans claiming to be football fans.

Ted Maul

so no trolls on this thread yet eh Moses...

Iwan

Sorry mate I'd have to disagree with you there. I've had the misfortune of watching some of the videos showing the western hostages (inc. Bigley) being beheaded in Iraq and there's nothing merciful about it. IMO there's nothing merciful about tieing someone up, kneeling on them so they can't move, then sawing their head off with a carving knife while they're screaming in pain/terror.

As to the question in your thread. I think people should be allowed to support what they believe in. But for example British muslims should understand they're British first and muslims second. If they want to go overseas to help their brothers fight injustice then that's fine, with two conditions.

1. They aren't fighting against UK/UN troops.
2. They don't expect to get any kind of help from the UK when it all goes pear shaped and they get captured/killed by the enemy. They put themselves in harms way knowingly, therefore it's their problem.

davegtt

honestly moses, they have a point when they say your a crack pot.

Martin_Aimless

Combining stupidity and delusion with brainwashing and psychopathic behaviour and you have the perfect profile for the 'enemy within'. The sooner this guy is removed from circulation the more secure I will feel.

TelBoy

Hold on, hold on. Let's get one thing absolutely clear. The people planning to blow up the planes WERE Muslim, very much so. I know what you're trying to say, but no way would they have attempted to do this if they weren't Muslims. There's a huge difference between the examples you've used.

sociopath

I've just grassed up moses here:

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/Page6.html

I suggest everyone does the same as he is clearly a security threat!

Sbradley

I think what dharbige means is that while the terrorists were undoubtably muslims, they were behaving in an unislamic manner.

I guess you could say Hitler was a christian (indeed, apparently he was a very devout christian) but he behaved in a somewhat unchristian way when he had 6-8 million civilians murdered...

But it's an interesting point you raise. Why is suicide bombing essentially a muslim only career choice? There are plenty of other repressed (in their own minds at least) groups in other countries who don't go down that road, even when they have chosen violence as a means of expression. After all, how many IRA suicide bombers were there? Discounting those too bloody stupid to set a fuse or mix paxo properly, of course...

SB

Martin_Aimless

Here's the clincher IMO -

How much more of a clear warning does it need?

TelBoy

Because it's their ultimate honour, sbradley. For them, dying in this way is the ultimate expression of devotion to Allah. It's all but incomprehensible to the Western psyche.

KiwiGTI

I'm concerned that people take the BNP seriously though, they are some of the worst scum this country has produced. They try to put on a nice facade but it is all lies and they are just fuelled by unjustified hatred and stupidity.

Look at some of the forums like Stormfront to get an idea of what the average BNP member or supporter really thinks.

TelBoy

But many people see them as the only option with which to speak out against immigration.

KiwiGTI

That's because there isn't a decent party out there with common sense policies for the majority. Vote for a party of thugs and race-haters or a bunch of PC losers who please the minority.

dharbige

I think we disagree.

IMHO, the fact that they SAY they were Muslims (despite the fact that what they were attempting to do goes against everything Islam teaches) is irrelevant. They were plotting to blow up a plane, therefore they are terrorists. Nothing more.
It's like the IRA saying they were Catholics. Er, no. Terrorists, nothing more.

Trying to associate their actions with a religion is an attempt (by them) to give their actions a veneer of legitimacy.
Calling them Muslims is an insult to Islam.

They aren't Muslims. They aren't even Muslim Terrorists.
They are just Terrorists.

(All the above is MHO.)

moses

lol sorry to bother u, they cant do nothing about what i wrote above, theirs a difference between martyrdom and terrorism

moses

thanks dude, couldnt have said it better . cheers

and also tel is a troll , he just baits , thats all dude

cheers

TelBoy

Exactly, Kiwi. They know they'd incite civil war if they were ever to take a meaningful stand against immigration, so all they can do is try and plug the dam and insist they're doing something. Many British people don't just want a stemming of the tide, they want a reversal. Not going to happen though, is it?

moses

my friend u need to read a book called dying to win by robert pape

and also suicide is not a middle eastern or islamic phenomenon, it started from the hindu tamil tigers against the evil regime of sri lanka

the buddhists of sri lanka oppressed the hindu aka tamil tigers alot and the tamil fought back with suicide bombers, thats were islamic jihad and hamas and the lebanese learned it from

did u know the first proper suicide bombing female woz an lebanese christian, who killed 12 israeli soldiers, God bless her, she woz cool a proper martyr

TelBoy

dharbige, we certainly will have to disagree then. Unless you're suggesting that 21 random blokes just undertook a bit of freelance terrorism. Come on. They're fundamentalist Muslims. They're the ones who want Islam GB. Please don't be under any illusion.

Martin_Aimless

This isn't about immigration though. Like the 'thing' that started this thread who believes he is above the law of the land, they are born here.

The Polish immigrant who cut my hair today was a thoroughly nice chap and is far more welcome to live in my country than these arrogant trouble making muslims.

dsmith

Whilst he was away (hopefully over in Iraq explaining to the various different factions that they really shouldnt be killing fellow muslim brothers) I thought Moses might have taken the trouble to read some articles on "Grammar" or "Use of Punctuation in Modern English".

For somone who claims to read so much he really doesnt take very much in.

davegtt

God Bless her?

dsmith

I'll do it the Moses way and just paste the results of various searches. Needless to say I haven't actually read any of this myself of course.

1. The uses of punctuation

Punctuation is an art, not a science, and a sentence can often be punctuated correctly in more than one way. It may also vary according to style: formal academic prose, for instance, might make more use of colons, semicolons, and brackets and less of full stops, commas, and dashes than conversational or journalistic prose. But there are some conventions you will need to follow if you are to write clear and elegant English.

In earlier periods of English, punctuation was often used rhetorically - that is, to represent the rhythms of the speaking voice. The main function of modern English punctuation, however, is logical: it is used to make clear the grammatical structure of the sentence, linking or separating groups of ideas and distinguishing what is important in the sentence from what is subordinate. It can also be used to break up a long sentence into more manageable units, but this may only be done where a logical break occurs; Jane Austen's sentence
"No one who had ever seen Catherine Morland in her infancy, would ever have supposed her born to be a heroine"
would now lose its comma, since there is no logical break between subject and verb (compare: "No one would have supposed . . . ").

2. The main stops and their functions

The full stop, exclamation mark, and question mark are used to mark off separate sentences. Within the sentence, the colon ( and semicolon ( are stronger marks of division than the comma, brackets, and the dash. Properly used, the stops can be a very effective method of marking off the divisions and subdivisions of your argument; misused, they can make it barely intelligible, as in this example:
"Donne starts the poem by poking fun at the Petrarchan convention; the belief that one's mistress's scorn could make one physically ill, he carries this one step further..."
(Here the comma and semicolon should change places.)

2.1. The full stop
Use it to separate sentences. Be careful not to use it to separate parts of the same sentence, as in this letter to the Southampton Advertiser:
"[Mr Smith] is too much concerned with verbs, adverbs, commas and full stops. Many of the local teachers I have heard of don't know much about them either. If the final results of their teaching means anything."
(Here the full stop before "if" (which introduces a subordinate clause) should be a comma.)

2.2. The exclamation mark
Considered rather vulgar in academic prose. Avoid.

2.3. The question mark
Use only for direct questions:
"What is happening?"
but
"He asked what was happening."

2.4. The colon
A rather formal stop, to be used sparingly. Its main uses are:
1. To introduce lists:
"The following features characterise the landscape of Milton's Hell: rocks, caves, lakes, fens, bogs, dens, and shades of death."
2. To explain or enlarge on what has been said in the earlier part of the sentence:
"Spenser inherited the Platonic and Christian dualism: heaven was set over against earth, being against becoming, eternity against time."
This use is often equivalent to a verbal pointer like "that is" or "namely". Simon Hoggart says in his Guardian diary, 'These people [the Tories] have a very clear view of recent history: they governed wisely and well.' The colon here makes it clear that Hoggart isn't vouching for the truth of the second part of the sentence; it simply explains the Tories' own view more fully.

2.5 The semicolon
Its main use is to link two sentences which are grammatically independent but closely related in meaning:
"Riding was an indulgence which she allowed herself in spite of conscientious qualms; she felt that she enjoyed it in a pagan, sensuous way, and always looked forward to renouncing it."
The semicolon can also be used to mark a major division in a long sentence, especially where there are subordinate elements marked off by commas:
"Much in all Milton's controversial writings is bitterly expressed, perhaps as bitterly felt; but Milton always kept in mind his conception of himself as the celebrant of great deeds, and a man akin to the Hebrew prophets, with a divine (though perhaps unwelcome) message to the English people."

2.6 The comma
Perhaps the most difficult stop to use correctly.
Not to be used for all-purpose punctuation; sentences like the following must be avoided at all costs:
"This narration by Milton shows the paradox of Satan, he can be admired for encouraging his followers, yet his words only appear worthy, close examination would reveal their shallowness."
Don't use commas to link grammatically independent sentences (as in the previous example). Use semicolons or full stops as appropriate.
Don't separate a subject from its verb, or a verb from its object, by a comma, however lengthy the subject or object may be. There should be no comma in the following examples:
"That Troilus can be so easily converted to the service of love, shows love's overwhelming power."
"Chaucer shows in the Tale, the Wife's insatiable thirst for story-telling."

Commas are used for two main purposes: to group ideas more clearly within the sentence, and to indicate subordination.
a) Sentence-division: A comma is often used before "and" and "or", and usually before "but", when these words are used to link sentences together (where the sentences are long, semicolons can be used instead; see 2.5).
It is advisable to insert a comma before "and" when it introduces the last item of a list:
"My true love sent to me three French hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree."
Failure to do this can lead to ambiguity, as in the following example:
"As a prelude to the still-distant silly season, newspapers print features on one or more of the following topics: plans to revive the Channel tunnel, England's chances of regaining the Ashes, new sightings of Lord Lucan, how to make a town garden out of ten feet of concrete and Shirley Williams."
b) Subordination: Commas are regularly used to mark off material which is not essential to the main sense of the sentence:
"Olivia's steward, Malvolio, is 'sick of self-love'."
"Donne uses the dove, a symbol of peace, for his mistress."
Make sure that this material is marked off by commas on both sides; avoid sentences like the following:
"Unlike the knight however, she is an individual."
"Nicholas, the lover of Alison is punished."
Commas are sometimes used to mark off subordinate clauses; it is difficult to lay down hard-and-fast rules here, but one distinction which must be noted is that between defining and non-defining relative clauses:
i) Defining:
"The verse which concludes the poem is longer than the others"
(the clause could not be dropped without affecting the main sense; no commas).
ii) Non-defining:
"The third verse, which concludes the poem, is longer than the others"
(the clause could be dropped without affecting the main sense; commas).
Note the misuse of commas in the following example:
"The appointment of a priest, who is a supporter of homosexual equality, to a senior post on the Church of England Board of Education has upset some clergymen" (Telegraph).
(The clergymen are upset not because a priest has been appointed, but because he is a priest who supports homosexual equality; the clause is essential to the main sense and should not be marked off by commas.)

2.7 The dash
A relatively informal stop. Used mainly to indicate a parenthesis rather more emphatically than the comma. If the parenthesis is in the middle of a sentence, remember that it should be concluded as well as introduced by a dash:
"A man's mind -- what there is of it -- has always the advantage of being masculine."

2.8 Brackets
Round brackets indicate a parenthesis slightly more emphatically than the comma and more formally than the dash:
"But for the event of my introduction to you (which, let me again say, I trust not to be superficially coincident with foreshadowing needs, but providentially related thereto as stages towards the completion of life's plan) I should presumably have gone on to the last without any attempt to lighten my solitariness by a matrimonial union."
Square brackets are not an affected alternative to round brackets but the normal way of indicating your own interpolations in quoted material:
"Now, as some of you know, I come from a city notorious for its bars and nightclubs featuring topless dancers . . . I have not personally patronised these places, but I am told on the authority of no less a person than your host at this conference, my old friend Philip Swallow, who has patronised them [here several members of the audience turned in their seats to stare and grin at Philip Swallow, who blushed to the roots of his silver-grey hair] that the girls take off all their clothes before they commence dancing in front of the customers."
NB don't put marks of punctuation before brackets used within a sentence or a bibliographical reference; they should always come after the brackets, as in the following examples:
James A. Brundage, Law, Sex, and Christian Society in Medieval Europe (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987).
'The problem with using manuscripts to establish social context is that by their nature they tell us about the readers of works (whether private readers or readers-aloud), not their hearers.'

3. The apostrophe

An endangered species. Keith Waterhouse's theory is that this is the result of a Marxist conspiracy to deprive large capitalist concerns of their apostrophes (e.g. "Lloyds Bank") and redistribute them to small back-street groceries (e.g. "Tomatoe's").
The apostrophe is used for two main purposes: to indicate the possessive of nouns (e.g. John's book, the boy's hat) and the omission of letters in contractions (don't, can't).

1. Noun possessive: if you are at all shaky on this, memorise the rules summarised in the table below:
Singular Plural
the boy the boys
Possessive the boy's friend the boys' friend

Note 1: Nouns ending in -s usually take the regular 's in the singular (St. James's Square); but classical and biblical names in -s add only the apostrophe (Troilus' love; Moses' staff).
Note 2: Where the plural of a noun does not end in -s, the possessive ending is 's (the men's room).

2. Omitted letters: as in don't, can't, who's (= who is), it's (= it is). The last two often get confused with the similar forms whose (= of whom) and its (= of it); remember that the possessive pronouns his, hers, its, yours, theirs and whose don't have an apostrophe.

4. The hyphen

This is used to form compound words (sub-plot, reading-room), but not all compound words have hyphens (microfiche, paperback), so check your dictionary when in doubt. Note particularly the way that hyphens are used to form compound adjectives: "the eighteenth century" but "an eighteenth-century poem", "this is well known" but "a well-known fact".

TelBoy

Ask the builders and manual workers in the UK who now have to accept 50% less for their toils whether the Polish immigration situation has been welcome!!