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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Exactly, Kiwi. They know they'd incite civil war if they were ever to take a meaningful stand against immigration, so all they can do is try and plug the dam and insist they're doing something. Many British people don't just want a stemming of the tide, they want a reversal. Not going to happen though, is it?
if their will be civil war, let me tell u, britain will burn to the ground and your *** and my *** and all asses will be finished and civilisation will crumble
trust me , i bet u cant wait
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
dharbige, we certainly will have to disagree then. Unless you're suggesting that 21 random blokes just undertook a bit of freelance terrorism. Come on. They're fundamentalist Muslims. They're the ones who want Islam GB. Please don't be under any illusion.
doesnt george w bush, blair and ann coulter wanted to convert the middle eas to christianity
soon as the invaders went to iraq, all the missionaries went with them and also to afghanistan,only to be sent packing lol
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Ask the builders and manual workers in the UK who now have to accept 50% less for their toils whether the Polish immigration situation has been welcome!!
16 August 2006, 04:49 PM
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I'll do it the Moses way and just paste the results of various searches. Needless to say I haven't actually read any of this myself of course.
1. The uses of punctuation
Punctuation is an art, not a science, and a sentence can often be punctuated correctly in more than one way. It may also vary according to style: formal academic prose, for instance, might make more use of colons, semicolons, and brackets and less of full stops, commas, and dashes than conversational or journalistic prose. But there are some conventions you will need to follow if you are to write clear and elegant English.
In earlier periods of English, punctuation was often used rhetorically - that is, to represent the rhythms of the speaking voice. The main function of modern English punctuation, however, is logical: it is used to make clear the grammatical structure of the sentence, linking or separating groups of ideas and distinguishing what is important in the sentence from what is subordinate. It can also be used to break up a long sentence into more manageable units, but this may only be done where a logical break occurs; Jane Austen's sentence
"No one who had ever seen Catherine Morland in her infancy, would ever have supposed her born to be a heroine"
would now lose its comma, since there is no logical break between subject and verb (compare: "No one would have supposed . . . ").
2. The main stops and their functions
The full stop, exclamation mark, and question mark are used to mark off separate sentences. Within the sentence, the colon ( and semicolon ( are stronger marks of division than the comma, brackets, and the dash. Properly used, the stops can be a very effective method of marking off the divisions and subdivisions of your argument; misused, they can make it barely intelligible, as in this example:
"Donne starts the poem by poking fun at the Petrarchan convention; the belief that one's mistress's scorn could make one physically ill, he carries this one step further..."
(Here the comma and semicolon should change places.)
2.1. The full stop
Use it to separate sentences. Be careful not to use it to separate parts of the same sentence, as in this letter to the Southampton Advertiser:
"[Mr Smith] is too much concerned with verbs, adverbs, commas and full stops. Many of the local teachers I have heard of don't know much about them either. If the final results of their teaching means anything."
(Here the full stop before "if" (which introduces a subordinate clause) should be a comma.)
2.2. The exclamation mark
Considered rather vulgar in academic prose. Avoid.
2.3. The question mark
Use only for direct questions:
"What is happening?"
but
"He asked what was happening."
2.4. The colon
A rather formal stop, to be used sparingly. Its main uses are:
1. To introduce lists:
"The following features characterise the landscape of Milton's Hell: rocks, caves, lakes, fens, bogs, dens, and shades of death."
2. To explain or enlarge on what has been said in the earlier part of the sentence:
"Spenser inherited the Platonic and Christian dualism: heaven was set over against earth, being against becoming, eternity against time."
This use is often equivalent to a verbal pointer like "that is" or "namely". Simon Hoggart says in his Guardian diary, 'These people [the Tories] have a very clear view of recent history: they governed wisely and well.' The colon here makes it clear that Hoggart isn't vouching for the truth of the second part of the sentence; it simply explains the Tories' own view more fully.
2.5 The semicolon
Its main use is to link two sentences which are grammatically independent but closely related in meaning:
"Riding was an indulgence which she allowed herself in spite of conscientious qualms; she felt that she enjoyed it in a pagan, sensuous way, and always looked forward to renouncing it."
The semicolon can also be used to mark a major division in a long sentence, especially where there are subordinate elements marked off by commas:
"Much in all Milton's controversial writings is bitterly expressed, perhaps as bitterly felt; but Milton always kept in mind his conception of himself as the celebrant of great deeds, and a man akin to the Hebrew prophets, with a divine (though perhaps unwelcome) message to the English people."
2.6 The comma
Perhaps the most difficult stop to use correctly.
Not to be used for all-purpose punctuation; sentences like the following must be avoided at all costs:
"This narration by Milton shows the paradox of Satan, he can be admired for encouraging his followers, yet his words only appear worthy, close examination would reveal their shallowness."
Don't use commas to link grammatically independent sentences (as in the previous example). Use semicolons or full stops as appropriate.
Don't separate a subject from its verb, or a verb from its object, by a comma, however lengthy the subject or object may be. There should be no comma in the following examples:
"That Troilus can be so easily converted to the service of love, shows love's overwhelming power."
"Chaucer shows in the Tale, the Wife's insatiable thirst for story-telling."
Commas are used for two main purposes: to group ideas more clearly within the sentence, and to indicate subordination.
a) Sentence-division: A comma is often used before "and" and "or", and usually before "but", when these words are used to link sentences together (where the sentences are long, semicolons can be used instead; see 2.5).
It is advisable to insert a comma before "and" when it introduces the last item of a list:
"My true love sent to me three French hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree."
Failure to do this can lead to ambiguity, as in the following example:
"As a prelude to the still-distant silly season, newspapers print features on one or more of the following topics: plans to revive the Channel tunnel, England's chances of regaining the Ashes, new sightings of Lord Lucan, how to make a town garden out of ten feet of concrete and Shirley Williams."
b) Subordination: Commas are regularly used to mark off material which is not essential to the main sense of the sentence:
"Olivia's steward, Malvolio, is 'sick of self-love'."
"Donne uses the dove, a symbol of peace, for his mistress."
Make sure that this material is marked off by commas on both sides; avoid sentences like the following:
"Unlike the knight however, she is an individual."
"Nicholas, the lover of Alison is punished."
Commas are sometimes used to mark off subordinate clauses; it is difficult to lay down hard-and-fast rules here, but one distinction which must be noted is that between defining and non-defining relative clauses:
i) Defining:
"The verse which concludes the poem is longer than the others"
(the clause could not be dropped without affecting the main sense; no commas).
ii) Non-defining:
"The third verse, which concludes the poem, is longer than the others"
(the clause could be dropped without affecting the main sense; commas).
Note the misuse of commas in the following example:
"The appointment of a priest, who is a supporter of homosexual equality, to a senior post on the Church of England Board of Education has upset some clergymen" (Telegraph).
(The clergymen are upset not because a priest has been appointed, but because he is a priest who supports homosexual equality; the clause is essential to the main sense and should not be marked off by commas.)
2.7 The dash
A relatively informal stop. Used mainly to indicate a parenthesis rather more emphatically than the comma. If the parenthesis is in the middle of a sentence, remember that it should be concluded as well as introduced by a dash:
"A man's mind -- what there is of it -- has always the advantage of being masculine."
2.8 Brackets
Round brackets indicate a parenthesis slightly more emphatically than the comma and more formally than the dash:
"But for the event of my introduction to you (which, let me again say, I trust not to be superficially coincident with foreshadowing needs, but providentially related thereto as stages towards the completion of life's plan) I should presumably have gone on to the last without any attempt to lighten my solitariness by a matrimonial union."
Square brackets are not an affected alternative to round brackets but the normal way of indicating your own interpolations in quoted material:
"Now, as some of you know, I come from a city notorious for its bars and nightclubs featuring topless dancers . . . I have not personally patronised these places, but I am told on the authority of no less a person than your host at this conference, my old friend Philip Swallow, who has patronised them [here several members of the audience turned in their seats to stare and grin at Philip Swallow, who blushed to the roots of his silver-grey hair] that the girls take off all their clothes before they commence dancing in front of the customers."
NB don't put marks of punctuation before brackets used within a sentence or a bibliographical reference; they should always come after the brackets, as in the following examples:
James A. Brundage, Law, Sex, and Christian Society in Medieval Europe (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987).
'The problem with using manuscripts to establish social context is that by their nature they tell us about the readers of works (whether private readers or readers-aloud), not their hearers.'
3. The apostrophe
An endangered species. Keith Waterhouse's theory is that this is the result of a Marxist conspiracy to deprive large capitalist concerns of their apostrophes (e.g. "Lloyds Bank") and redistribute them to small back-street groceries (e.g. "Tomatoe's").
The apostrophe is used for two main purposes: to indicate the possessive of nouns (e.g. John's book, the boy's hat) and the omission of letters in contractions (don't, can't).
1. Noun possessive: if you are at all shaky on this, memorise the rules summarised in the table below:
Singular Plural
the boy the boys
Possessive the boy's friend the boys' friend
Note 1: Nouns ending in -s usually take the regular 's in the singular (St. James's Square); but classical and biblical names in -s add only the apostrophe (Troilus' love; Moses' staff).
Note 2: Where the plural of a noun does not end in -s, the possessive ending is 's (the men's room).
2. Omitted letters: as in don't, can't, who's (= who is), it's (= it is). The last two often get confused with the similar forms whose (= of whom) and its (= of it); remember that the possessive pronouns his, hers, its, yours, theirs and whose don't have an apostrophe.
4. The hyphen
This is used to form compound words (sub-plot, reading-room), but not all compound words have hyphens (microfiche, paperback), so check your dictionary when in doubt. Note particularly the way that hyphens are used to form compound adjectives: "the eighteenth century" but "an eighteenth-century poem", "this is well known" but "a well-known fact".
1. The uses of punctuation
Punctuation is an art, not a science, and a sentence can often be punctuated correctly in more than one way. It may also vary according to style: formal academic prose, for instance, might make more use of colons, semicolons, and brackets and less of full stops, commas, and dashes than conversational or journalistic prose. But there are some conventions you will need to follow if you are to write clear and elegant English.
In earlier periods of English, punctuation was often used rhetorically - that is, to represent the rhythms of the speaking voice. The main function of modern English punctuation, however, is logical: it is used to make clear the grammatical structure of the sentence, linking or separating groups of ideas and distinguishing what is important in the sentence from what is subordinate. It can also be used to break up a long sentence into more manageable units, but this may only be done where a logical break occurs; Jane Austen's sentence
"No one who had ever seen Catherine Morland in her infancy, would ever have supposed her born to be a heroine"
would now lose its comma, since there is no logical break between subject and verb (compare: "No one would have supposed . . . ").
2. The main stops and their functions
The full stop, exclamation mark, and question mark are used to mark off separate sentences. Within the sentence, the colon (
and semicolon ( are stronger marks of division than the comma, brackets, and the dash. Properly used, the stops can be a very effective method of marking off the divisions and subdivisions of your argument; misused, they can make it barely intelligible, as in this example:"Donne starts the poem by poking fun at the Petrarchan convention; the belief that one's mistress's scorn could make one physically ill, he carries this one step further..."
(Here the comma and semicolon should change places.)
2.1. The full stop
Use it to separate sentences. Be careful not to use it to separate parts of the same sentence, as in this letter to the Southampton Advertiser:
"[Mr Smith] is too much concerned with verbs, adverbs, commas and full stops. Many of the local teachers I have heard of don't know much about them either. If the final results of their teaching means anything."
(Here the full stop before "if" (which introduces a subordinate clause) should be a comma.)
2.2. The exclamation mark
Considered rather vulgar in academic prose. Avoid.
2.3. The question mark
Use only for direct questions:
"What is happening?"
but
"He asked what was happening."
2.4. The colon
A rather formal stop, to be used sparingly. Its main uses are:
1. To introduce lists:
"The following features characterise the landscape of Milton's Hell: rocks, caves, lakes, fens, bogs, dens, and shades of death."
2. To explain or enlarge on what has been said in the earlier part of the sentence:
"Spenser inherited the Platonic and Christian dualism: heaven was set over against earth, being against becoming, eternity against time."
This use is often equivalent to a verbal pointer like "that is" or "namely". Simon Hoggart says in his Guardian diary, 'These people [the Tories] have a very clear view of recent history: they governed wisely and well.' The colon here makes it clear that Hoggart isn't vouching for the truth of the second part of the sentence; it simply explains the Tories' own view more fully.
2.5 The semicolon
Its main use is to link two sentences which are grammatically independent but closely related in meaning:
"Riding was an indulgence which she allowed herself in spite of conscientious qualms; she felt that she enjoyed it in a pagan, sensuous way, and always looked forward to renouncing it."
The semicolon can also be used to mark a major division in a long sentence, especially where there are subordinate elements marked off by commas:
"Much in all Milton's controversial writings is bitterly expressed, perhaps as bitterly felt; but Milton always kept in mind his conception of himself as the celebrant of great deeds, and a man akin to the Hebrew prophets, with a divine (though perhaps unwelcome) message to the English people."
2.6 The comma
Perhaps the most difficult stop to use correctly.
Not to be used for all-purpose punctuation; sentences like the following must be avoided at all costs:
"This narration by Milton shows the paradox of Satan, he can be admired for encouraging his followers, yet his words only appear worthy, close examination would reveal their shallowness."
Don't use commas to link grammatically independent sentences (as in the previous example). Use semicolons or full stops as appropriate.
Don't separate a subject from its verb, or a verb from its object, by a comma, however lengthy the subject or object may be. There should be no comma in the following examples:
"That Troilus can be so easily converted to the service of love, shows love's overwhelming power."
"Chaucer shows in the Tale, the Wife's insatiable thirst for story-telling."
Commas are used for two main purposes: to group ideas more clearly within the sentence, and to indicate subordination.
a) Sentence-division: A comma is often used before "and" and "or", and usually before "but", when these words are used to link sentences together (where the sentences are long, semicolons can be used instead; see 2.5).
It is advisable to insert a comma before "and" when it introduces the last item of a list:
"My true love sent to me three French hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree."
Failure to do this can lead to ambiguity, as in the following example:
"As a prelude to the still-distant silly season, newspapers print features on one or more of the following topics: plans to revive the Channel tunnel, England's chances of regaining the Ashes, new sightings of Lord Lucan, how to make a town garden out of ten feet of concrete and Shirley Williams."
b) Subordination: Commas are regularly used to mark off material which is not essential to the main sense of the sentence:
"Olivia's steward, Malvolio, is 'sick of self-love'."
"Donne uses the dove, a symbol of peace, for his mistress."
Make sure that this material is marked off by commas on both sides; avoid sentences like the following:
"Unlike the knight however, she is an individual."
"Nicholas, the lover of Alison is punished."
Commas are sometimes used to mark off subordinate clauses; it is difficult to lay down hard-and-fast rules here, but one distinction which must be noted is that between defining and non-defining relative clauses:
i) Defining:
"The verse which concludes the poem is longer than the others"
(the clause could not be dropped without affecting the main sense; no commas).
ii) Non-defining:
"The third verse, which concludes the poem, is longer than the others"
(the clause could be dropped without affecting the main sense; commas).
Note the misuse of commas in the following example:
"The appointment of a priest, who is a supporter of homosexual equality, to a senior post on the Church of England Board of Education has upset some clergymen" (Telegraph).
(The clergymen are upset not because a priest has been appointed, but because he is a priest who supports homosexual equality; the clause is essential to the main sense and should not be marked off by commas.)
2.7 The dash
A relatively informal stop. Used mainly to indicate a parenthesis rather more emphatically than the comma. If the parenthesis is in the middle of a sentence, remember that it should be concluded as well as introduced by a dash:
"A man's mind -- what there is of it -- has always the advantage of being masculine."
2.8 Brackets
Round brackets indicate a parenthesis slightly more emphatically than the comma and more formally than the dash:
"But for the event of my introduction to you (which, let me again say, I trust not to be superficially coincident with foreshadowing needs, but providentially related thereto as stages towards the completion of life's plan) I should presumably have gone on to the last without any attempt to lighten my solitariness by a matrimonial union."
Square brackets are not an affected alternative to round brackets but the normal way of indicating your own interpolations in quoted material:
"Now, as some of you know, I come from a city notorious for its bars and nightclubs featuring topless dancers . . . I have not personally patronised these places, but I am told on the authority of no less a person than your host at this conference, my old friend Philip Swallow, who has patronised them [here several members of the audience turned in their seats to stare and grin at Philip Swallow, who blushed to the roots of his silver-grey hair] that the girls take off all their clothes before they commence dancing in front of the customers."
NB don't put marks of punctuation before brackets used within a sentence or a bibliographical reference; they should always come after the brackets, as in the following examples:
James A. Brundage, Law, Sex, and Christian Society in Medieval Europe (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987).
'The problem with using manuscripts to establish social context is that by their nature they tell us about the readers of works (whether private readers or readers-aloud), not their hearers.'
3. The apostrophe
An endangered species. Keith Waterhouse's theory is that this is the result of a Marxist conspiracy to deprive large capitalist concerns of their apostrophes (e.g. "Lloyds Bank") and redistribute them to small back-street groceries (e.g. "Tomatoe's").
The apostrophe is used for two main purposes: to indicate the possessive of nouns (e.g. John's book, the boy's hat) and the omission of letters in contractions (don't, can't).
1. Noun possessive: if you are at all shaky on this, memorise the rules summarised in the table below:
Singular Plural
the boy the boys
Possessive the boy's friend the boys' friend
Note 1: Nouns ending in -s usually take the regular 's in the singular (St. James's Square); but classical and biblical names in -s add only the apostrophe (Troilus' love; Moses' staff).
Note 2: Where the plural of a noun does not end in -s, the possessive ending is 's (the men's room).
2. Omitted letters: as in don't, can't, who's (= who is), it's (= it is). The last two often get confused with the similar forms whose (= of whom) and its (= of it); remember that the possessive pronouns his, hers, its, yours, theirs and whose don't have an apostrophe.
4. The hyphen
This is used to form compound words (sub-plot, reading-room), but not all compound words have hyphens (microfiche, paperback), so check your dictionary when in doubt. Note particularly the way that hyphens are used to form compound adjectives: "the eighteenth century" but "an eighteenth-century poem", "this is well known" but "a well-known fact".
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
You see, moses wants Islam GB too. And some people here think he's a moderate. Yeah, right.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
You see, moses wants Islam GB too. And some people here think he's a moderate. Yeah, right.
im more moderate than your *** and your dumb brain, im probably the most moderate and tolerant here and thats no bull , i swear
i want the brits and the world to be my brothers and sisters in islam as the do the christians want in the world and other folk
whats extreme about that
i want sbradley, ted maul and other good people to be my brothers in islam and kiwi can join but , telboy u stay the way u are
lol
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How tolerant of Israel would you say you are then, moses?
For God's sake (whichever one we're using), stop talking bollocks. This is almost like watching you brainwash yourself.
For God's sake (whichever one we're using), stop talking bollocks. This is almost like watching you brainwash yourself.
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Originally Posted by moses
did u know the first proper suicide bombing female woz an lebanese christian, who killed 12 israeli soldiers, God bless her, she woz cool a proper martyr
Originally Posted by moses
im more moderate than your *** and your dumb brain, im probably the most moderate and tolerant here and thats no bull , i swear
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
How tolerant of Israel would you say you are then, moses?
For God's sake (whichever one we're using), stop talking bollocks. This is almost like watching you brainwash yourself.
For God's sake (whichever one we're using), stop talking bollocks. This is almost like watching you brainwash yourself.
im tolerant of israel and only recognise it when it recognises palestinian and what evil they have done to them and also the right to return
thats how tolerant i am
but rather i would like one palestine, jews, muslim and christians living together and free to travel everywhere, like the old days
thats tolerant
till they do something evil again and i will get angry lol
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Originally Posted by moses
thats tolerant
till they do something evil again and i will get angry lol
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lol
From what I can see moses is simply applying the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" approach here.
Nothing wrong with that. He's not condoning the killing of innocents.
Nor is he trying to convert us all
Tel, you can usually see that. As for Alex, Jason, Jaycee...I wouldn't have expected anything else from you guys
Maybe all you English folk are just too liberal but I'm with moses on this one (in principle) - if someone ***** you over, why not respond?
What right has Israel? What right did we have having said that?
If moses' views make you feel threatened (and its clear some of you do feel this way) then you really need to figure out why.
From what I can see moses is simply applying the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" approach here.
Nothing wrong with that. He's not condoning the killing of innocents.
Nor is he trying to convert us all
Tel, you can usually see that. As for Alex, Jason, Jaycee...I wouldn't have expected anything else from you guys
Maybe all you English folk are just too liberal but I'm with moses on this one (in principle) - if someone ***** you over, why not respond?
What right has Israel? What right did we have having said that?
If moses' views make you feel threatened (and its clear some of you do feel this way) then you really need to figure out why.
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Originally Posted by Diablo
lol
From what I can see moses is simply applying the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" approach here.
Nothing wrong with that. He's not condoning the killing of innocents.
Nor is he trying to convert us all
Tel, you can usually see that. As for Alex, Jason, Jaycee...I wouldn't have expected anything else from you guys
Maybe all you English folk are just too liberal but I'm with moses on this one (in principle) - if someone ***** you over, why not respond?
What right has Israel? What right did we have having said that?
If moses' views make you feel threatened (and its clear some of you do feel this way) then you really need to figure out why.
From what I can see moses is simply applying the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" approach here.
Nothing wrong with that. He's not condoning the killing of innocents.
Nor is he trying to convert us all
Tel, you can usually see that. As for Alex, Jason, Jaycee...I wouldn't have expected anything else from you guys
Maybe all you English folk are just too liberal but I'm with moses on this one (in principle) - if someone ***** you over, why not respond?
What right has Israel? What right did we have having said that?
If moses' views make you feel threatened (and its clear some of you do feel this way) then you really need to figure out why.
diablo mate, your my hero haha, i swear to God, many dont understand me and im so so happy u do
and understand the language i speak inGod bless u bud and your welcome to my house anytime and i swear i will get the best ever curries made for u and all the nice desserts, i will throw u a party
, god willing u can come oot wae me and my mates hunting and stuff and their not muslims, proddies and catholics lol ,they like u understand me matethank u very much, i owe u one
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Originally Posted by moses
diablo mate, your my hero haha, i swear to God, many dont understand me and im so so happy u do and understand the language i speak in
God bless u bud and your welcome to my house anytime and i swear i will get the best ever curries made for u and all the nice desserts, i will throw u a party , god willing u can come oot wae me and my mates hunting and stuff and their not muslims, proddies and catholics lol ,they like u understand me mate
thank u very much, i owe u one
and understand the language i speak inGod bless u bud and your welcome to my house anytime and i swear i will get the best ever curries made for u and all the nice desserts, i will throw u a party
, god willing u can come oot wae me and my mates hunting and stuff and their not muslims, proddies and catholics lol ,they like u understand me matethank u very much, i owe u one
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
How tolerant of Israel would you say you are then, moses?
For God's sake (whichever one we're using), stop talking bollocks. This is almost like watching you brainwash yourself.
For God's sake (whichever one we're using), stop talking bollocks. This is almost like watching you brainwash yourself.
Leave the tolerant (if slightly right of ghengis khan) voice of Islam alone
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16 August 2006, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
i want the brits and the world to be my brothers and sisters in islam
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Nor is he trying to convert us all
16 August 2006, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dsmith
I know trying to read anything Moses writes is hard work. But ....
If you think thats moses trying to "convert" you, then you are a bit wide of the mark
16 August 2006, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
lol....maybe its a "Scottish" thing moses, we're that bit more direct in our approach
lol mate u a fellow scot, just noticed, God bless u bros, us scots r the best
nothing is better than our beloved country hahai even started my own scots brigade
this is my own symbol and sig my friend
i thank God, im a scots mujahideen
16 August 2006, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
lol....maybe its a "Scottish" thing moses, we're that bit more direct in our approach
mate here r some hunting pics, i had to paint the faces, i dont want the public to see us
my friends and i
i used to borrow their hawks before, now i got my own
scots guerrilla warfare
16 August 2006, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
You're missing the point
If you think thats moses trying to "convert" you, then you are a bit wide of the mark
If you think thats moses trying to "convert" you, then you are a bit wide of the mark
they guys get it all wrong
u cant feed religion down anyones throat, its silly and nuts cheers
16 August 2006, 06:14 PM
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guys plz i wanted to share this verse from the quran
u have seen it before, in bull**** forums of zionists and the bnp, its a pity they dont give u the whole verse , they take it out of context with no history or nothing
this is the verse
"5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"
lol see the above thats what they quote with no before or after, out of context, this woz a verse when the muslims and the pagan arabs who were a majority had a peace treaty that none would break and the pagan arabs would break the treaties all the time and kill pilgrims and muslims and raid their caravans etc or attack them in the middle of the night
here is the full text
1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. ************* this one here lads
6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
8. How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
9. The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
10. In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.
11. But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers
u have seen it before, in bull**** forums of zionists and the bnp, its a pity they dont give u the whole verse , they take it out of context with no history or nothing
this is the verse
"5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"
lol see the above thats what they quote with no before or after, out of context, this woz a verse when the muslims and the pagan arabs who were a majority had a peace treaty that none would break and the pagan arabs would break the treaties all the time and kill pilgrims and muslims and raid their caravans etc or attack them in the middle of the night
here is the full text
1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. ************* this one here lads
6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
8. How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
9. The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
10. In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.
11. But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers
16 August 2006, 06:18 PM
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This would appear to be more accurate, shocking but accurate.....
Inspired By Islam (What the most famous cleric has to say):
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 :
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister.
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It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.
Inspired By Islam (What the most famous cleric has to say):
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 :
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister.
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It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.
16 August 2006, 06:18 PM
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one of my fave verses, it makes a man reflect
67. The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah. so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.
68. Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,-
69. As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They!- their work are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).
70. Hath not the story reached them of those before them?- the People of Noah, and 'Ad, and Thamud; the People of Abraham, the men of Midian, and the cities overthrown. To them came their apostles with clear signs. It is not Allah Who wrongs them, but they wrong their own souls.
71. The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
72. Allah hath promised to Believers, men and women, gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah. that is the supreme felicity.
73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed
67. The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah. so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.
68. Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,-
69. As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They!- their work are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).
70. Hath not the story reached them of those before them?- the People of Noah, and 'Ad, and Thamud; the People of Abraham, the men of Midian, and the cities overthrown. To them came their apostles with clear signs. It is not Allah Who wrongs them, but they wrong their own souls.
71. The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
72. Allah hath promised to Believers, men and women, gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah. that is the supreme felicity.
73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed
16 August 2006, 06:20 PM
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How it all began ( a long time ago in the isolated deserts of Arabia) :
Already, when Aisha (the daughter of Abu Bakr, Mohammad's closest friend and unquestioning ally) was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of a union with her [Ref: SAHIH BUKHARI, 5:235] and he wasted no time in realizing his dreams, inspite of the fact that object of his dreams was a mere child.Perhaps you want to assume that it is "normal" for a 50+ year old man to dream of marrying a 4-5 old child, and then ACTUALLY ask for her hand at 6?
Is it normal for an oversexed old man (Muhammad had over 9 wives and concubines) to dream of a union with a 4-5 year old girl?
Muhammad ( SAW ) was basically oversexed, his sexual relationship with Aisha is a special case, which fits his strong need for a larger latitude to satisfy his sexual urge, as is witnessed by:
"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven)." [Bukhari.1:268]
When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu Bakr thought it was improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside Abu Bakr's reservation by saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH BUKHAR I7:18].
What happened to " there is no compulsion in matters of religion ?" Anyway what compulsion did Muhhammad need being a prophet his word was law, he restricted men to only four wives when he himself had more than four, that was a convenient exemption for Muhhammad.
So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when Aisha was 9, the marriage was consumed. And Muhammad was 53 then [SAHIH BUKHARI 5:236,7:64,7:65,7:88] .
The 3 year waiting period probably had to do with the fact that at that time Aisha had contracted some disease, whereby she, temporarily lost her hair. Aisha was then socially and psychologically still a child as is evidenced by the fact that she was still given to her toys, she was unaware of what was happening around her, and her playmates behave as would the children at present times [Sahih Bukhari 8:151,5:234].
Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was predominant [ SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd 1pg165 ]. Later, Aisha was to be called the "mother of believers". If you are wandering, yes, the relationship was pedophilic.
Already, when Aisha (the daughter of Abu Bakr, Mohammad's closest friend and unquestioning ally) was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of a union with her [Ref: SAHIH BUKHARI, 5:235] and he wasted no time in realizing his dreams, inspite of the fact that object of his dreams was a mere child.Perhaps you want to assume that it is "normal" for a 50+ year old man to dream of marrying a 4-5 old child, and then ACTUALLY ask for her hand at 6?
Is it normal for an oversexed old man (Muhammad had over 9 wives and concubines) to dream of a union with a 4-5 year old girl?
Muhammad ( SAW ) was basically oversexed, his sexual relationship with Aisha is a special case, which fits his strong need for a larger latitude to satisfy his sexual urge, as is witnessed by:
"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven)." [Bukhari.1:268]
When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu Bakr thought it was improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside Abu Bakr's reservation by saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH BUKHAR I7:18].
What happened to " there is no compulsion in matters of religion ?" Anyway what compulsion did Muhhammad need being a prophet his word was law, he restricted men to only four wives when he himself had more than four, that was a convenient exemption for Muhhammad.
So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when Aisha was 9, the marriage was consumed. And Muhammad was 53 then [SAHIH BUKHARI 5:236,7:64,7:65,7:88] .
The 3 year waiting period probably had to do with the fact that at that time Aisha had contracted some disease, whereby she, temporarily lost her hair. Aisha was then socially and psychologically still a child as is evidenced by the fact that she was still given to her toys, she was unaware of what was happening around her, and her playmates behave as would the children at present times [Sahih Bukhari 8:151,5:234].
Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was predominant [ SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd 1pg165 ]. Later, Aisha was to be called the "mother of believers". If you are wandering, yes, the relationship was pedophilic.