UK worse than 20 years ago - Official!
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Originally Posted by GCollier
The reponses to such questions/polls are tainted with more than a little nostalgia.
I can vividly remember when I was a kid and my grandparents similarly used to go on about the "good old days" and how much better things used to be - as I'm sure many others here can.
It's all very well having some idealistic (ie. unrealistic) romantic view of just how "great" things used to be, but I doubt many people would be queuing up to turn the clock back and surrender the far greater wealth, choice, technological and medical advances we enjoy today.
Gary.
I can vividly remember when I was a kid and my grandparents similarly used to go on about the "good old days" and how much better things used to be - as I'm sure many others here can.
It's all very well having some idealistic (ie. unrealistic) romantic view of just how "great" things used to be, but I doubt many people would be queuing up to turn the clock back and surrender the far greater wealth, choice, technological and medical advances we enjoy today.
Gary.
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Very true. America got the juicy oil fields in Iraq, to make sure oil/petrol prices remain low in the US. What did we get out of it ???? Wait..... It'll come to me ....... won't it?
Iran is next.
Iran is next.
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Originally Posted by GCollier
It's all very well having some idealistic (ie. unrealistic) romantic view of just how "great" things used to be, but I doubt many people would be queuing up to turn the clock back and surrender the far greater wealth, choice, technological and medical advances we enjoy today. Gary.
Noone would want to turn the clock back on these things (except the Green nutters of course!!). BUT we can, and should, turn the clock back to the time when kids showed respect for their elders, when you could walk down the street without fear of being mugged, whe you could walk through a twon centre at about 11.30pm without the danger of someone vomiting on you, or worse. All these things can co-exist with the 'technological advances etc' that you mention. To say they cannot puts you (not you personally - the royal 'you') on the same level as the vast majority of todays (and yesterdays!) politicians, all out for short term gain (for themselves) and sod the electorate.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Noone would want to turn the clock back on these things (except the Green nutters of course!!). BUT we can, and should, turn the clock back to the time when kids showed respect for their elders, when you could walk down the street without fear of being mugged, whe you could walk through a twon centre at about 11.30pm without the danger of someone vomiting on you, or worse. All these things can co-exist with the 'technological advances etc' that you mention. To say they cannot puts you (not you personally - the royal 'you') on the same level as the vast majority of todays (and yesterdays!) politicians, all out for short term gain (for themselves) and sod the electorate.
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Originally Posted by GCollier
The reponses to such questions/polls are tainted with more than a little nostalgia.
I can vividly remember when I was a kid and my grandparents similarly used to go on about the "good old days" and how much better things used to be - as I'm sure many others here can.
It's all very well having some idealistic (ie. unrealistic) romantic view of just how "great" things used to be, but I doubt many people would be queuing up to turn the clock back and surrender the far greater wealth, choice, technological and medical advances we enjoy today.
Gary.
I can vividly remember when I was a kid and my grandparents similarly used to go on about the "good old days" and how much better things used to be - as I'm sure many others here can.
It's all very well having some idealistic (ie. unrealistic) romantic view of just how "great" things used to be, but I doubt many people would be queuing up to turn the clock back and surrender the far greater wealth, choice, technological and medical advances we enjoy today.
Gary.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
What utter rubbish.
Either that or you're a wind up merchant.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Explain? As your comment implies that you're happy with a society such as we have in the Uk at present? Zero respect for anyone for example.
Either that or you're a wind up merchant.
Dave
Either that or you're a wind up merchant.
Dave
Suffice to say, I'm sufficiently enlightened not to grope around with myopic and ignorant hankerings for some sort of Golden Age that never existed.
My comment does not in the slightest imply that I am happy with current society.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Suffice to say, I'm sufficiently enlightened not to grope around with myopic and ignorant hankerings for some sort of Golden Age that never existed.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
So 18 year olds have always vomited in the street in town centres? people have always been knifed in the streets by 15 year olds? 9 year olds have always shouted 4-letter abuse at adults who ask them not to do something? You've had a very short life then .....
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
So 18 year olds have always vomited in the street in town centres? people have always been knifed in the streets by 15 year olds? 9 year olds have always shouted 4-letter abuse at adults who ask them not to do something? You've had a very short life then .....
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I suggest you delve into the history of previous arrests in whatever age you deem to be better than this one and compare the offences highlighted against offences of the day here.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Your isolated 'examples' of a collapse in societies' values do indeed point out a missing link in your chainmail of morality..
Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
I suggest you delve into the history of previous arrests in whatever age you deem to be better than this one and compare the offences highlighted against offences of the day here.
The people going on about 'rose tinted specs' are just those that want to stifle debate about the sort of society we want. A bit like the Nu Labia crowd who cried 'racist' anytime someone mentioned immigration. And now what are they doing .... ? (Rhetorical question BTW .. )
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Originally Posted by Steve Whitehorn
Les, Hutton d, Kiwi are right.
It is not rose tinted spectacles. And the past was by no means perfect.
But Hutton d is spot on.
I expect many of the people arguing on here that things are not much worse today are fairly young.
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It is not rose tinted spectacles. And the past was by no means perfect.
But Hutton d is spot on.
I expect many of the people arguing on here that things are not much worse today are fairly young.
Steve
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As previously mentioned before there are many factors at work when explaining crime figures.
-More young men in the general population due to lack of wars, and conscription
-drugs
-Massive rise in material things of value to steal
-previously legal activities now illegal
Using your poimtless example of an 18 year old vomiting in a street, do you seriously think that is a new thing? Beggars belief
As I have mentioned, this subject has been done to death on this BBS.
Getting back on topic, nobody has explained to me why the phrase " Uk worse than 20 years ago- Official" is linked to a survey where over 50% of the respondees say the UK is a better place to live or no worse or no better
And find it strange the main fears of the UK public are terrorism rather than the state of the NHS and crime etc. Says to me that the poll is sqewed by whoever commissioned it.
-More young men in the general population due to lack of wars, and conscription
-drugs
-Massive rise in material things of value to steal
-previously legal activities now illegal
Using your poimtless example of an 18 year old vomiting in a street, do you seriously think that is a new thing? Beggars belief
As I have mentioned, this subject has been done to death on this BBS.
Getting back on topic, nobody has explained to me why the phrase " Uk worse than 20 years ago- Official" is linked to a survey where over 50% of the respondees say the UK is a better place to live or no worse or no better
And find it strange the main fears of the UK public are terrorism rather than the state of the NHS and crime etc. Says to me that the poll is sqewed by whoever commissioned it.
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Originally Posted by GCollier
It's all very well having some idealistic (ie. unrealistic) romantic view of just how "great" things used to be, but I doubt many people would be queuing up to turn the clock back and surrender the far greater wealth, choice, technological and medical advances we enjoy today.
Gary.
Gary.
Five hundred BMW's in their range doesn't excite me,I find it annoying.In fact most 'advances in technology' seem to be consumer based.More exciting but unneccessary gadgets to buy for this wealthy society.
At the schools I went to,perhaps a few of the pupils might have been unruly.But it was the talk of the school,not the norm for a majority of pupils.There was respect ,however much some would like us to assume it was a dream.And yes,there was a healthy respect for the police.I don't think that exists anymore.
Society is rude, greedy,arrogant,materialistic.If people think that is good fine.I think it is very sad
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I heard that 360,000 people are leaving Britain every year(can anyone confirm this) And from most of the recent expats I have met in Europe it isn´t the toe rags that are leaving it is the decent folk.
Am back on Tuesday for a bit and I am looking forward to a few pints and a proper Sunday lunch
Am back on Tuesday for a bit and I am looking forward to a few pints and a proper Sunday lunch
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Originally Posted by Leslie
G C Collier,
The greater wealth you talk about is all based on credit, both from the IMF and from the banks. It all has to be paid back, with interest!
Les
The greater wealth you talk about is all based on credit, both from the IMF and from the banks. It all has to be paid back, with interest!
Les
Originally Posted by lozgti
I enjoyed the time when there weren't umpteen films on at the pictures,perhaps just a few.I end up never going now.Same with television.For all the choice,it hasn't improved tv viewing for me.I watch less.
Five hundred BMW's in their range doesn't excite me,I find it annoying.In fact most 'advances in technology' seem to be consumer based.More exciting but unneccessary gadgets to buy for this wealthy society.
Five hundred BMW's in their range doesn't excite me,I find it annoying.In fact most 'advances in technology' seem to be consumer based.More exciting but unneccessary gadgets to buy for this wealthy society.
Originally Posted by lozgti
At the schools I went to,perhaps a few of the pupils might have been unruly.But it was the talk of the school,not the norm for a majority of pupils.There was respect ,however much some would like us to assume it was a dream.And yes,there was a healthy respect for the police.I don't think that exists anymore.
Originally Posted by hutton_d
Noone would want to turn the clock back on these things (except the Green nutters of course!!). BUT we can, and should, turn the clock back to the time when kids showed respect for their elders, when you could walk down the street without fear of being mugged, whe you could walk through a twon centre at about 11.30pm without the danger of someone vomiting on you, or worse.
Originally Posted by hutton_d
All these things can co-exist with the 'technological advances etc' that you mention. To say they cannot puts you (not you personally - the royal 'you') on the same level as the vast majority of todays (and yesterdays!) politicians, all out for short term gain (for themselves) and sod the electorate.
Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Now that's utter rubbish. Why is it then that some of the richest and most technologically advanced nations have societies that have not lost the notions of respect, family, low crime rates, good manners and good work ethics? ie: Japan, Singapore etc.
Gary.
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You can spin it all you like, but the essential things in life (health, education) are down the pan compared to the previous government. Despite loads of money being thrown into the NHS it's being wasted and hospitals are closing wards, sacking staff. Exams are now preposterously easy and therefore meaningless.
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Originally Posted by GCollier
The societies you pick may show superficial good manners, but are not without their own significant problems in other areas.
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Have you spent time in Japan?
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what is the attitude in Japan for:
homosexuality
women's rights (workplace especially)
religious tolerance
I am interested, because I imagine Japan to be a great place to live except for this idea that they are very backward on the above issues.
homosexuality
women's rights (workplace especially)
religious tolerance
I am interested, because I imagine Japan to be a great place to live except for this idea that they are very backward on the above issues.
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Originally Posted by Ted Maul
what is the attitude in Japan for:
homosexuality
women's rights (workplace especially)
religious tolerance
I am interested, because I imagine Japan to be a great place to live except for this idea that they are very backward on the above issues.
homosexuality
women's rights (workplace especially)
religious tolerance
I am interested, because I imagine Japan to be a great place to live except for this idea that they are very backward on the above issues.
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Originally Posted by Ted Maul
what is the attitude in Japan for:
homosexuality
women's rights (workplace especially)
religious tolerance
I am interested, because I imagine Japan to be a great place to live except for this idea that they are very backward on the above issues.
homosexuality
women's rights (workplace especially)
religious tolerance
I am interested, because I imagine Japan to be a great place to live except for this idea that they are very backward on the above issues.
Japan is very liberal with regards to homosexuality (it's not in-your-face, so to speak, but it's not an issue)
Women's rights are no different to the UK (Hubby's workplace is 50/50 on the shop floor - and hubby cites the women as his best technicians)
Many religions live happily in Japan, Buddhist, Shinto, Christian etc. However, I have never seen any Indian/Pakistanis. You don't see them here, there are no mosques. (Maybe there are in Tokyo or other Cities, but we're on the other side of Japan)
I think the days of submissive women in Kimonos has long gone! Japan is very easy going. Yes, they're very traditonal & have strong family values but they're modern and forward thinking.
There are still pockets of the traditional life, Geisha's still exist. In the older generation, the women are still submissive.
It's a difficult country to explain!! You need to see it & spend time to understand it all.
There are other's on the forum who have spent time in Japan (in different areas) and they may well have other views of Japan though.
It is a wonderful country - if it wasn't, we wouldn't have come back for a second time!
I apologise for being off topic!
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
^^ is Japan an Islamic country?
Shinto & Buddhist mainly (80+%) and usually both at the same time.
Normal to live & marry as Shinto and die as Buddhist.