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Fairy snuff. We obviously have opposing experiences of them. There are some biffas in the services, maybe you've just met your fair share of them. ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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dci...i wouldnt dream of attempting to change your opinion but would it be fair and reasonable to ask you to stop generalising when it comes to your view on servicemen...?
i see civvies every day who are completely clueless c*nts, but i dont maintain that all civvies are idiots...
thanks for your consideration...
meant as an honest request
i see civvies every day who are completely clueless c*nts, but i dont maintain that all civvies are idiots...
thanks for your consideration...
meant as an honest request
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
dci...i wouldnt dream of attempting to change your opinion but would it be fair and reasonable to ask you to stop generalising when it comes to your view on servicemen...?
i see civvies every day who are completely clueless c*nts, but i dont maintain that all civvies are idiots...
thanks for your consideration...
meant as an honest request
i see civvies every day who are completely clueless c*nts, but i dont maintain that all civvies are idiots...
thanks for your consideration...
meant as an honest request
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
dci...i wouldnt dream of attempting to change your opinion but would it be fair and reasonable to ask you to stop generalising when it comes to your view on servicemen...?
i see civvies every day who are completely clueless c*nts, but i dont maintain that all civvies are idiots...
thanks for your consideration...
meant as an honest request
i see civvies every day who are completely clueless c*nts, but i dont maintain that all civvies are idiots...
thanks for your consideration...
meant as an honest request
We already covered this in a past thread. By joining the forces you proved you're stupid,
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
cant you just buy your way out?
cant you just fly your way out??
over run a landing strip and head off to marbella ????
(check fuel load first)
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Originally Posted by Vapid
We already covered this in a past thread. By joining the forces you proved you're stupid,
The military isnt just for those in the infantry
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DCI.......You've got the blinkers on pal.
The majority of ''squaddies'' spend very little time on camp, they are allowed off of it and back into civvy street
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Im finding it hard to understand why you think we dont have a clue about civilian life seeing as most of our time is spent out of the camp gates. Around 30 hours per week is spent in a military environment!
Now onto employment with an ex squaddie....
An employer can pretty much guarantee he will not be a drug user, he will be punctual, smart and well presented. He will be very highly disciplined and will respect those above him! He will work very well as part of a team and again on his own! I can go on all day about what attributes a squaddie will have, but i wont bore you.
Now how many civilians have those qualities? Bad manners, turning up late, scruffy, not giving a **** about work or the people above him/her! Drug abuse? The list can go on for ever about what squaddies have over civvys.
Me, i am no longer in the military, my last day was a week past last friday! Started my new job the following monday and walked straight into it, i sailed through the interview!
I am 23, and i left the forces on £29k and immediately walked into a £37k position.
Now compared to my ''civvy'' mates back home, the majority of them are in dead end jobs earning peanuts, or regular drug abusers, in and out of prison.
I suspect if i hadnt joined the military i would be in exactly the same position, it has set me on a good path so it obviously does have its benefits
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
That includes pilots/engineers/doctors/dentists? All very highly skilled professions?
The military isnt just for those in the infantry
The military isnt just for those in the infantry
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They already control you enough as a civilian without volunteering to be buttfcuked in the armed forces.
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Wow that's really not very interesting.... and judging by your post your manners are impeccable.................. NOT
and your point was? because you've not changed my opinion of you........
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Your speaking to me like im thick DCI, thought id return the gesture ![Hjtwofinger](images/smilies/hjtwofinger.gif)
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Okay buddy and your perception of those in the military says a lot about your intelligence
We'll leave it at that, you obviously have no respect for our boys in the forces and im not going to argue with you any longer. You have your opinion, i have mine.
Good day
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We'll leave it at that, you obviously have no respect for our boys in the forces and im not going to argue with you any longer. You have your opinion, i have mine.
Good day
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Okay buddy and your perception of those in the military says a lot about your intelligence
We'll leave it at that buddy, you obviously have no respect for our boys in the forces and im not going to argue with you any longer. You have your opinion, i have mine.
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We'll leave it at that buddy, you obviously have no respect for our boys in the forces and im not going to argue with you any longer. You have your opinion, i have mine.
Good day
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I'm not your 'buddy' and don't wish to be.... jesus... it's like pulling teeth
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I wonder how many sqaddies etc..call em what you like could name 10 members of the UK parliament.......not many I bet...which would be a good indicator that they are complete numbskulls fighting a war for people who they dont even know the names of, never mind the policies of.......
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
I wonder how many civvies could even name their own MP? Less than a third, I'll bet.
Your point is?
SB
Your point is?
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So funny, I work in oil and I'm beating the system by taking from it and not giving. I'll leave it to you to work that one out I wouldn't want to go into details and incriminate myself.
The name is an oxymoron- glad you like it.
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Nah, Vapid works in gay **** - it's massage oil, and it's his job to lube up the actors before a scene. He's done well for himself though - he started off as a lowly fluffer! He loved it, but as he said himself - there's more money to be made in oil.
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Originally Posted by Simon S3
Awesome, a load of bell-ends questioning the existance and organisation of a body of men they have never, and would never have the stupidity to join themselves.
I edited your post to reflect reality.
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Nah, Vapid works in gay **** - it's massage oil, and it's his job to lube up the actors before a scene. He's done well for himself though - he started off as a lowly fluffer! He loved it, but as he said himself - there's more money to be made in oil. ![Thumb](images/smilies/thumb.gif)
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Despite all your blathering DCI I stand by what i said in my earlier post.
There is a code of behaviour and when it comes to your attitude towards members of the armed forces your insulting remarks are well beyond the pale!
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There is a code of behaviour and when it comes to your attitude towards members of the armed forces your insulting remarks are well beyond the pale!
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I am disgusted by some of the views on here, mostly by the comments Vapid has made. I am a member of the forces and it sadens me that you think were are all a bunch of murdering thugs.
To the person who posted the vid of the Ram how is that any different to the progs Jackass or Dirty Sanchez?
I am just about to leave the Forces and I am moving overseas and by **** am I glad, not because I dislike the military but why should I risk my life for tossers like you who have probably done nothing towards the good of the country yourself, all you do is sit at a computer and gob off, you are a coward instead why dont you go and meet some soldiers and express your views in person.
God I cant wait to leave this country.
To the person who posted the vid of the Ram how is that any different to the progs Jackass or Dirty Sanchez?
I am just about to leave the Forces and I am moving overseas and by **** am I glad, not because I dislike the military but why should I risk my life for tossers like you who have probably done nothing towards the good of the country yourself, all you do is sit at a computer and gob off, you are a coward instead why dont you go and meet some soldiers and express your views in person.
God I cant wait to leave this country.
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Originally Posted by Jdub
I am disgusted by some of the views on here, mostly by the comments Vapid has made. I am a member of the forces and it sadens me that you think were are all a bunch of murdering thugs.
To the person who posted the vid of the Ram how is that any different to the progs Jackass or Dirty Sanchez?
I am just about to leave the Forces and I am moving overseas and by **** am I glad, not because I dislike the military but why should I risk my life for tossers like you who have probably done nothing towards the good of the country yourself, all you do is sit at a computer and gob off, you are a coward instead why dont you go and meet some soldiers and express your views in person.
God I cant wait to leave this country.
To the person who posted the vid of the Ram how is that any different to the progs Jackass or Dirty Sanchez?
I am just about to leave the Forces and I am moving overseas and by **** am I glad, not because I dislike the military but why should I risk my life for tossers like you who have probably done nothing towards the good of the country yourself, all you do is sit at a computer and gob off, you are a coward instead why dont you go and meet some soldiers and express your views in person.
God I cant wait to leave this country.
You aren't fighting a war against an invader/potential invader like Hitler. All the armed forces have done is prop up the occupation of Northern Ireland and invade some other countries and bring terror and anarchy to them.
If that's doing good for the country then you have a weird idea of 'good'.
As for meeting some soldiers in person do you think telling a bunch of trained thug killers whose ability to express themselves is limited to punching and kicking would be a smart idea? I don't. Normally I'd express the view that I'm quite happy to speak to people like this in person but I have to admit that self preservation would kick in here. I mean I'm not as thick as a squaddie after all.............
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What a sad and pointless thread this is, I have the utmost respet for the armed forces, they do a job I'm too scared to do.
I can only assume people are trolling for a reaction with the comments above.
I can only assume people are trolling for a reaction with the comments above.
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I'm impressed. Yes, really. By your last post, Vapid, you have demonstrated that you're more of a tool than even I thought you were. Which takes some doing.
Let's have a look, shall we?
In the last 30 years (a reasonable period to take, I'd say) HM Forces have:
Repelled an invader of British territory (regardless of geography, the Falklands are as much a part of the UK as, say, the Isle of Man); supported the UN to maintain (or restore) peace and order in countless war zones; supported the forces of law and order to protect the public in Ulster and operated the most professional search and rescue services in the world. There's lots more, of course - I can only immediately think of things that I have been involved with.
The forces have a job and what happens after they have done that job is not in their remit or control. That's your job, you as a member of the public, because you're responsible for voting and thereby choosing our administration. It's down to you to change things if you don't like the way they are.
You'll have gathered I'm ex forces so can hardly claim a lack of bias. But what's your problem with forces personnel? It's obvious that you're actually reasonably intelligent from some of your other posts yet you make such massive generalisations and clearly choose to ignore basic history. Look up Northern Ireland and you'll see what I mean - we're not "occupiers" at all...
As far as employment is concerned, in my experience ex military personnel are more reliable, punctual, honest and professional than those who have never seen service. They are more able to think on their feet and use their initiative and they take responsibility for their own actions (and those of their team) far better. They are also better managers. While it may have been true fifty years ago that a squaddie was required to obey orders and nothing else, with the changing state of the world, massively reduced manpower, inadequate equipment levels and wide ranging operational scenarios today's serviceman needs to be intelligent, adaptable and relatively self sufficient. It's more common these days to be give an overall objective - the manner in which you achieve it is really up to you.
Personally, since leaving the service about 1/3 of my work has been directly related to what I did while I was in while the remainder is split between work vaguely related (for example I worked on some post 9/11 stuff because I was security cleared and knew how things fly) and bearing no relation at all (but probably helped by my attitude and track record).
You really ought to do some background reading - put your mind to it and try to come up with a real, thought out reason for your anti-forces attitude rather than childish knee jerk stuff.
SB
PS Probably shouldn't have called you a tool. It's not constructive. But I don't have time to go back and reword it, so take it as exasperation rather than insult.
Let's have a look, shall we?
You aren't fighting a war against an invader/potential invader like Hitler. All the armed forces have done is prop up the occupation of Northern Ireland and invade some other countries and bring terror and anarchy to them.
Repelled an invader of British territory (regardless of geography, the Falklands are as much a part of the UK as, say, the Isle of Man); supported the UN to maintain (or restore) peace and order in countless war zones; supported the forces of law and order to protect the public in Ulster and operated the most professional search and rescue services in the world. There's lots more, of course - I can only immediately think of things that I have been involved with.
The forces have a job and what happens after they have done that job is not in their remit or control. That's your job, you as a member of the public, because you're responsible for voting and thereby choosing our administration. It's down to you to change things if you don't like the way they are.
You'll have gathered I'm ex forces so can hardly claim a lack of bias. But what's your problem with forces personnel? It's obvious that you're actually reasonably intelligent from some of your other posts yet you make such massive generalisations and clearly choose to ignore basic history. Look up Northern Ireland and you'll see what I mean - we're not "occupiers" at all...
As far as employment is concerned, in my experience ex military personnel are more reliable, punctual, honest and professional than those who have never seen service. They are more able to think on their feet and use their initiative and they take responsibility for their own actions (and those of their team) far better. They are also better managers. While it may have been true fifty years ago that a squaddie was required to obey orders and nothing else, with the changing state of the world, massively reduced manpower, inadequate equipment levels and wide ranging operational scenarios today's serviceman needs to be intelligent, adaptable and relatively self sufficient. It's more common these days to be give an overall objective - the manner in which you achieve it is really up to you.
Personally, since leaving the service about 1/3 of my work has been directly related to what I did while I was in while the remainder is split between work vaguely related (for example I worked on some post 9/11 stuff because I was security cleared and knew how things fly) and bearing no relation at all (but probably helped by my attitude and track record).
You really ought to do some background reading - put your mind to it and try to come up with a real, thought out reason for your anti-forces attitude rather than childish knee jerk stuff.
SB
PS Probably shouldn't have called you a tool. It's not constructive. But I don't have time to go back and reword it, so take it as exasperation rather than insult.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
I'm impressed. Yes, really. By your last post, Vapid, you have demonstrated that you're more of a tool than even I thought you were. Which takes some doing.
Let's have a look, shall we?
In the last 30 years (a reasonable period to take, I'd say) HM Forces have:
Repelled an invader of British territory (regardless of geography, the Falklands are as much a part of the UK as, say, the Isle of Man); supported the UN to maintain (or restore) peace and order in countless war zones; supported the forces of law and order to protect the public in Ulster and operated the most professional search and rescue services in the world. There's lots more, of course - I can only immediately think of things that I have been involved with.
The forces have a job and what happens after they have done that job is not in their remit or control. That's your job, you as a member of the public, because you're responsible for voting and thereby choosing our administration. It's down to you to change things if you don't like the way they are.
You'll have gathered I'm ex forces so can hardly claim a lack of bias. But what's your problem with forces personnel? It's obvious that you're actually reasonably intelligent from some of your other posts yet you make such massive generalisations and clearly choose to ignore basic history. Look up Northern Ireland and you'll see what I mean - we're not "occupiers" at all...
As far as employment is concerned, in my experience ex military personnel are more reliable, punctual, honest and professional than those who have never seen service. They are more able to think on their feet and use their initiative and they take responsibility for their own actions (and those of their team) far better. They are also better managers. While it may have been true fifty years ago that a squaddie was required to obey orders and nothing else, with the changing state of the world, massively reduced manpower, inadequate equipment levels and wide ranging operational scenarios today's serviceman needs to be intelligent, adaptable and relatively self sufficient. It's more common these days to be give an overall objective - the manner in which you achieve it is really up to you.
Personally, since leaving the service about 1/3 of my work has been directly related to what I did while I was in while the remainder is split between work vaguely related (for example I worked on some post 9/11 stuff because I was security cleared and knew how things fly) and bearing no relation at all (but probably helped by my attitude and track record).
You really ought to do some background reading - put your mind to it and try to come up with a real, thought out reason for your anti-forces attitude rather than childish knee jerk stuff.
SB
PS Probably shouldn't have called you a tool. It's not constructive. But I don't have time to go back and reword it, so take it as exasperation rather than insult.
Let's have a look, shall we?
In the last 30 years (a reasonable period to take, I'd say) HM Forces have:
Repelled an invader of British territory (regardless of geography, the Falklands are as much a part of the UK as, say, the Isle of Man); supported the UN to maintain (or restore) peace and order in countless war zones; supported the forces of law and order to protect the public in Ulster and operated the most professional search and rescue services in the world. There's lots more, of course - I can only immediately think of things that I have been involved with.
The forces have a job and what happens after they have done that job is not in their remit or control. That's your job, you as a member of the public, because you're responsible for voting and thereby choosing our administration. It's down to you to change things if you don't like the way they are.
You'll have gathered I'm ex forces so can hardly claim a lack of bias. But what's your problem with forces personnel? It's obvious that you're actually reasonably intelligent from some of your other posts yet you make such massive generalisations and clearly choose to ignore basic history. Look up Northern Ireland and you'll see what I mean - we're not "occupiers" at all...
As far as employment is concerned, in my experience ex military personnel are more reliable, punctual, honest and professional than those who have never seen service. They are more able to think on their feet and use their initiative and they take responsibility for their own actions (and those of their team) far better. They are also better managers. While it may have been true fifty years ago that a squaddie was required to obey orders and nothing else, with the changing state of the world, massively reduced manpower, inadequate equipment levels and wide ranging operational scenarios today's serviceman needs to be intelligent, adaptable and relatively self sufficient. It's more common these days to be give an overall objective - the manner in which you achieve it is really up to you.
Personally, since leaving the service about 1/3 of my work has been directly related to what I did while I was in while the remainder is split between work vaguely related (for example I worked on some post 9/11 stuff because I was security cleared and knew how things fly) and bearing no relation at all (but probably helped by my attitude and track record).
You really ought to do some background reading - put your mind to it and try to come up with a real, thought out reason for your anti-forces attitude rather than childish knee jerk stuff.
SB
PS Probably shouldn't have called you a tool. It's not constructive. But I don't have time to go back and reword it, so take it as exasperation rather than insult.
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as much as we try its hard not to rise to the trolls on here when they thoughtlessly attack something we, and alot of other 'civvies', care a great deal about...
hes in a minority and he knows it...sh*t, does that mean were being trollist...?!?!
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