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I watched Band of Brothers on DVD a couple of years ago, and shortly after went Paintballing. It made me realise how scary it must be to be under fire, I found myself stuck behind trees and mounds of dirt too scared to make a dash for the next cover. And they were only paintballs!
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
In the last 30 years (a reasonable period to take, I'd say) HM Forces have:
Repelled an invader of British territory (regardless of geography, the Falklands are as much a part of the UK as, say, the Isle of Man); supported the UN to maintain (or restore) peace and order in countless war zones; supported the forces of law and order to protect the public in Ulster and operated the most professional search and rescue services in the world. There's lots more, of course - I can only immediately think of things that I have been involved with.
You'll have gathered I'm ex forces so can hardly claim a lack of bias. But what's your problem with forces personnel? It's obvious that you're actually reasonably intelligent from some of your other posts yet you make such massive generalisations and clearly choose to ignore basic history. Look up Northern Ireland and you'll see what I mean - we're not "occupiers" at all...
You really ought to do some background reading - put your mind to it and try to come up with a real, thought out reason for your anti-forces attitude rather than childish knee jerk stuff.
The Malvinas belong to Argentina, that being the case we invaded someone else's territory after they righfully reclaimed it from occupation.
The English have no business whatsoever in Ireland, northern or otherwise. The armed forces of England are murdering, occupying opressors in that context.
Acting as puppets to a UN which has operated historically to a US and zionist agenda is nothing to be proud of.
None of my comments come from a position of ignorance of the facts rather they are informed by them.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
The English have no business whatsoever in Ireland, northern or otherwise. The armed forces of England are murdering, occupying opressors in that context.
There's a big difference between britain and england buddy, there's a higher % per population Scottish/welsh/Irish troops in the armed forces as opposed to just english troops!
We are murderers in Ireland
What about all the loyalists/republicans etc, what have they been doing for the last 60 years?
Vapid... Where are you from? Are you British?
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
And here's me thinking we were british forces
There's a big difference between britain and england buddy, there's a higher % per population Scottish/welsh/Irish troops in the armed forces as opposed to just english troops!
We are murderers in Ireland
What about all the loyalists/republicans etc, what have they been doing for the last 60 years?
Vapid... Where are you from? Are you British?
There's a big difference between britain and england buddy, there's a higher % per population Scottish/welsh/Irish troops in the armed forces as opposed to just english troops!
We are murderers in Ireland
What about all the loyalists/republicans etc, what have they been doing for the last 60 years?
Vapid... Where are you from? Are you British?
I'm English although I don't see what difference that makes.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
I'm English although I don't see what difference that makes.
There is obviously some debate as to what exactly it constitutes to be classed as 'British'. IMO you need to have adopted the culture to call yourself that.
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Originally Posted by Petem95
It doesnt mean much, as it can simply mean you were born in this country.
There is obviously some debate as to what exactly it constitutes to be classed as 'British'. IMO you need to have adopted the culture to call yourself that.
There is obviously some debate as to what exactly it constitutes to be classed as 'British'. IMO you need to have adopted the culture to call yourself that.
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Well illegal immigrants can come into this country as and when they please, have a child in a british hospital and then the child is of british origin! Mother and father cant speak a word of english
To me a british person should only be classed as a brit if they have had say 5 previous family generations of british ancestors that have only ever come from britain!
Its too easy to become a brit by simply just giving birth in this country!
This country is over run with foreigners now claiming to be british simply because they were born here
Asians for example who claim they are british simply because they were born here and then go and fight for the taliban/al quada against our ''Born and bred british soldiers.''
The london tube bombings for example, carried out by ''british'' asians.
To me a british person should only be classed as a brit if they have had say 5 previous family generations of british ancestors that have only ever come from britain!
Its too easy to become a brit by simply just giving birth in this country!
This country is over run with foreigners now claiming to be british simply because they were born here
Asians for example who claim they are british simply because they were born here and then go and fight for the taliban/al quada against our ''Born and bred british soldiers.''
The london tube bombings for example, carried out by ''british'' asians.
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Well illegal immigrants can come into this country as and when they please, have a child in a british hospital and then the child is of british origin! Mother and father cant speak a word of english
To me a british person should only be classed as a brit if they have had say 5 previous family generations of british ancestors that have only ever come from britain!
Its too easy to become a brit by simply just giving birth in this country!
This country is over run with foreigners now claiming to be british simply because they were born here
Asians for example who claim they are british simply because they were born here and then go and fight for the taliban/al quada against ''Born and bred british soldiers'' and proceed then to blow up innocents in london tube stations
To me a british person should only be classed as a brit if they have had say 5 previous family generations of british ancestors that have only ever come from britain!
Its too easy to become a brit by simply just giving birth in this country!
This country is over run with foreigners now claiming to be british simply because they were born here
Asians for example who claim they are british simply because they were born here and then go and fight for the taliban/al quada against ''Born and bred british soldiers'' and proceed then to blow up innocents in london tube stations
What does that cr@p have to do with me answering his question or this thread?
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You asked about adopted culture a couple of posts above.
Our troops are very widely stretched. I do think we should pull out of Ireland now as it is far more stable than what it were say 10-15yrs ago! I dont see what good our presence is doing in Ireland when we are so widely stretched in Afghanistan/Iraq.
If another conflict was to break out, say with Iran, i dont know what the government would do manpower wise as we are so stretched, we are near at breaking point!
Our troops are very widely stretched. I do think we should pull out of Ireland now as it is far more stable than what it were say 10-15yrs ago! I dont see what good our presence is doing in Ireland when we are so widely stretched in Afghanistan/Iraq.
If another conflict was to break out, say with Iran, i dont know what the government would do manpower wise as we are so stretched, we are near at breaking point!
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The English have no business whatsoever in Ireland, northern or otherwise.
For your information, British forces were there at the invitation of what was then, the RUC.
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
You asked about adopted culture a couple of posts above.
Our troops are very widely stretched. I do think we should pull out of Ireland now as it is far more stable than what it were say 10-15yrs ago! I dont see what good our presence is doing in Ireland when we are so widely stretched in Afghanistan/Iraq.
If another conflict was to break out, say with Iran, i dont know what the government would do manpower wise as we are so stretched, we are near at breaking point!
Our troops are very widely stretched. I do think we should pull out of Ireland now as it is far more stable than what it were say 10-15yrs ago! I dont see what good our presence is doing in Ireland when we are so widely stretched in Afghanistan/Iraq.
If another conflict was to break out, say with Iran, i dont know what the government would do manpower wise as we are so stretched, we are near at breaking point!
Obviously we should pull out of Ireland it isn't our country and we have no right to be there.
As for being widely stretched in the middle east you have to ask the question what the hell we are doing taking part in a crusade led by arch moron George Bush and his zionist backers. Being widely stretched is hardly relevant, we just shouldn't be there.
Loving the phrase 'confict to break out say with Iran'. That should be added to my bull**** phrases thread. Conflict isn't just going to break out with Iran. What might happen is that the 'axis of evil' (ie USA and UK) might decide to invade someone else's sovereign territory on some shoddy pretext, say non-existent WMDs.
FFS I do wonder sometimes just how stupid and naieve some of the other contributors to this board are.
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Well illegal immigrants can come into this country as and when they please, have a child in a british hospital and then the child is of british origin! Mother and father cant speak a word of english
However, as this country frequently amazes me with some crazy notions, you may well be correct but I would have thought not. It did use to be the case years ago, but not any more...
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They are fighting in afghanistan for a reason though and its mainly to stop the importation of heroin into europe and into this country!
Its a well known fact 85% of heroin in the world comes from the poppy fields in afghanistan! This is why the UK forces have been tasked to go there. They are not hunting for osama and killing taliban for fun!
Now you say so what, why do i care?
It has detremental effects throughout, stop the supply of heroin into the UK and it affects us all. Look at the crime statistics with heroin involvment. Where do junkies get money from for there next fix?
Burglars/muggings, even your own car stereo getting pinched by junkies desperate for there next hit!
You may not see the connection but there is 1.
Get rid of heroin and you get rid of a lot of problems in the UK.
This was the original mission statement when we were tasked to go to Afghanistan 6 months ago. Now sadly it hasn't gone to plan as the intelligence supplied undermined the strength of the taliban! As you would expect there has been a huge regroup of the taliban over this and that is why we are having so many problems at the moment! As far as im aware we have not even started destroying poppy fields yet. We have been to busy fighting the resistance from the taliban forces!
But there is a reason and its not the reason why many think. Bush/Blair and oil!
I do not agree on why we are in Iraq though, but thats a whole different kettle of fish!
Its a well known fact 85% of heroin in the world comes from the poppy fields in afghanistan! This is why the UK forces have been tasked to go there. They are not hunting for osama and killing taliban for fun!
Now you say so what, why do i care?
It has detremental effects throughout, stop the supply of heroin into the UK and it affects us all. Look at the crime statistics with heroin involvment. Where do junkies get money from for there next fix?
Burglars/muggings, even your own car stereo getting pinched by junkies desperate for there next hit!
You may not see the connection but there is 1.
Get rid of heroin and you get rid of a lot of problems in the UK.
This was the original mission statement when we were tasked to go to Afghanistan 6 months ago. Now sadly it hasn't gone to plan as the intelligence supplied undermined the strength of the taliban! As you would expect there has been a huge regroup of the taliban over this and that is why we are having so many problems at the moment! As far as im aware we have not even started destroying poppy fields yet. We have been to busy fighting the resistance from the taliban forces!
But there is a reason and its not the reason why many think. Bush/Blair and oil!
I do not agree on why we are in Iraq though, but thats a whole different kettle of fish!
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Originally Posted by Mark Miwurdz
British actually but you don't seem too concerned about detail so we'll let that go.
For your information, British forces were there at the invitation of what was then, the RUC.
For your information, British forces were there at the invitation of what was then, the RUC.
It's an ENGLISH agenda going back to the 12th century you dullard. The British are there because they didn't give the whole of Ireland self determination in the early 20th century but decided to partition it instead.
Ireland belongs to the Irish and should be one country not under the jackboot of English colonialism.
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
They are fighting in afghanistan for a reason though and its mainly to stop the importation of heroin into europe and into this country!
Its a well known fact 85% of heroin in the world comes from the poppy fields in afghanistan! This is why the UK forces have been tasked to go there. They are not hunting for osama and killing taliban for fun!
Now you say so what, why do i care?
It has detremental effects throughout, stop the supply of heroin into the UK and it affects us all. Look at the crime statistics with heroin involvment. Where do junkies get money from for there next fix?
Burglars/muggings, even your own car stereo getting pinched by junkies desperate for there next hit!
You may not see the connection but there is 1.
Get rid of heroin and you get rid of a lot of problems in the UK.
This was the original mission statement when we were tasked to go to Afghanistan 6 months ago. Now sadly it hasn't gone to plan as the intelligence supplied undermined the strength of the taliban! As you would expect there has been a huge regroup of the taliban over this and that is why we are having so many problems at the moment! As far as im aware we have not even started destroying poppy fields yet. We have been to busy fighting the resistance from the taliban forces!
But there is a reason and its not the reason why many think. Bush/Blair and oil!
I do not agree on why we are in Iraq though, but thats a whole different kettle of fish!
Its a well known fact 85% of heroin in the world comes from the poppy fields in afghanistan! This is why the UK forces have been tasked to go there. They are not hunting for osama and killing taliban for fun!
Now you say so what, why do i care?
It has detremental effects throughout, stop the supply of heroin into the UK and it affects us all. Look at the crime statistics with heroin involvment. Where do junkies get money from for there next fix?
Burglars/muggings, even your own car stereo getting pinched by junkies desperate for there next hit!
You may not see the connection but there is 1.
Get rid of heroin and you get rid of a lot of problems in the UK.
This was the original mission statement when we were tasked to go to Afghanistan 6 months ago. Now sadly it hasn't gone to plan as the intelligence supplied undermined the strength of the taliban! As you would expect there has been a huge regroup of the taliban over this and that is why we are having so many problems at the moment! As far as im aware we have not even started destroying poppy fields yet. We have been to busy fighting the resistance from the taliban forces!
But there is a reason and its not the reason why many think. Bush/Blair and oil!
I do not agree on why we are in Iraq though, but thats a whole different kettle of fish!
Importation of heroin? They should import the heroin legally and give it to addicts for free you idiot. That would stop drug related crime. Did you know that since the invasion opium production has increased?
This stopping opium BS is just a smoke screen, a load of flim flam, a fairytale told to the weak minded to give them something to believe in.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Dear god some of these people are stupid and naive...........
Ireland belongs to the Irish and should be one country not under the jackboot of English colonialism.
Ireland belongs to the Irish and should be one country not under the jackboot of English colonialism.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Importation of heroin? They should import the heroin legally and give it to addicts for free you idiot. That would stop drug related crime. Did you know that since the invasion opium production has increased?
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Originally Posted by Vapid
I cut out most of your cr@p and just quoted your innacuracies.
The Malvinas belong to Argentina, that being the case we invaded someone else's territory after they righfully reclaimed it from occupation.
The English have no business whatsoever in Ireland, northern or otherwise. The armed forces of England are murdering, occupying opressors in that context.
Acting as puppets to a UN which has operated historically to a US and zionist agenda is nothing to be proud of.
None of my comments come from a position of ignorance of the facts rather they are informed by them.
The Malvinas belong to Argentina, that being the case we invaded someone else's territory after they righfully reclaimed it from occupation.
The English have no business whatsoever in Ireland, northern or otherwise. The armed forces of England are murdering, occupying opressors in that context.
Acting as puppets to a UN which has operated historically to a US and zionist agenda is nothing to be proud of.
None of my comments come from a position of ignorance of the facts rather they are informed by them.
The Falklands have been British since they were discovered in 1592. The first recorded landing on the islands, and the resulting settlement in what is now Port Stanley, took place in 1690. By the British. They may be nearer to Argentina than Britain but that changes nothing - the Orkneys are nearer to Denmark than London but that doesn't make them Danish.
British forces were asked to assist the local police in Ulster in the late sixties. Ulster is part of Great Britain so by definition we aren't occupying it - it's part of the same nation. The people of Ulster have repeatedly (peacefully) demonstrated their desire to remain a part of the UK at the ballot box. We have a duty as a nation to protect our own people, and that is what we are doing there.
I'm intrigued as to how our stopping the massacre of civilians in Bosnia, Beirut, Sudan, Afghanistan (1st time), Kosovo etc is part of a zionist agenda. No doubt you're privy to a great conspiracy that us proles no nothing about, right? Or maybe you're just talking out of your backside and spouting knee jerk rhetoric...
I take it back. You are a tool.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Dear god some of these people are stupid and naive...........
It's an ENGLISH agenda going back to the 12th century you dullard. The British are there because they didn't give the whole of Ireland self determination in the early 20th century but decided to partition it instead.
Ireland belongs to the Irish and should be one country not under the jackboot of English colonialism.
It's an ENGLISH agenda going back to the 12th century you dullard. The British are there because they didn't give the whole of Ireland self determination in the early 20th century but decided to partition it instead.
Ireland belongs to the Irish and should be one country not under the jackboot of English colonialism.
SB
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
I'd say quite a few of your comments come from a position of ignorance at best and blind stupidity at worst.
The Falklands have been British since they were discovered in 1592. The first recorded landing on the islands, and the resulting settlement in what is now Port Stanley, took place in 1690. By the British. They may be nearer to Argentina than Britain but that changes nothing - the Orkneys are nearer to Denmark than London but that doesn't make them Danish.
British forces were asked to assist the local police in Ulster in the late sixties. Ulster is part of Great Britain so by definition we aren't occupying it - it's part of the same nation. The people of Ulster have repeatedly (peacefully) demonstrated their desire to remain a part of the UK at the ballot box. We have a duty as a nation to protect our own people, and that is what we are doing there.
I'm intrigued as to how our stopping the massacre of civilians in Bosnia, Beirut, Sudan, Afghanistan (1st time), Kosovo etc is part of a zionist agenda. No doubt you're privy to a great conspiracy that us proles no nothing about, right? Or maybe you're just talking out of your backside and spouting knee jerk rhetoric...
I take it back. You are a tool.
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The Falklands have been British since they were discovered in 1592. The first recorded landing on the islands, and the resulting settlement in what is now Port Stanley, took place in 1690. By the British. They may be nearer to Argentina than Britain but that changes nothing - the Orkneys are nearer to Denmark than London but that doesn't make them Danish.
British forces were asked to assist the local police in Ulster in the late sixties. Ulster is part of Great Britain so by definition we aren't occupying it - it's part of the same nation. The people of Ulster have repeatedly (peacefully) demonstrated their desire to remain a part of the UK at the ballot box. We have a duty as a nation to protect our own people, and that is what we are doing there.
I'm intrigued as to how our stopping the massacre of civilians in Bosnia, Beirut, Sudan, Afghanistan (1st time), Kosovo etc is part of a zionist agenda. No doubt you're privy to a great conspiracy that us proles no nothing about, right? Or maybe you're just talking out of your backside and spouting knee jerk rhetoric...
I take it back. You are a tool.
SB
More crap from a brainwashed loser quoted above.
The Argentines have a valid claim to the Islas Malvinas, the Spanish were the first to discover it and the only documented and fully believable discovery of them was by a Dutchman. The fact the British have used military force to occupy someone else property is irrelevant. It belongs to the Argentine peoples.
Regarding Ireland, yes N Ireland is called part of Great Britain but that's doesn't mitigate from the fact that it is part of IRELAND and IRELAND is partitioned for political reasons. N Ireland shouldn't exist and therefore we shouldn't be occupying it. If the protestant people of Ireland prefer to deny that they are in fact Irish and prefer to be British perhaps they should go and live in Britain rather than Ireland?
These so called peace keeping missions you talk of in places like Bosnia were about control of the piplelines for gas and oil. Nothing else, politicians don't give a flying **** about civilians.
You haven't got a clue.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Go back to history books and then tell me when Ireland has ever been one country? They even managed to have their own personal civil war - IRA against Free State - in the 1920s. Ireland hasn't ever been united and with the victorian (I'm being kind) attitudes of the Republic it never will be unless by force...
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Originally Posted by Vapid
More crap from a brainwashed loser quoted above.
The Argentines have a valid claim to the Islas Malvinas, the Spanish were the first to discover it and the only documented and fully believable discovery of them was by a Dutchman. The fact the British have used military force to occupy someone else property is irrelevant. It belongs to the Argentine peoples.
The Argentines have a valid claim to the Islas Malvinas, the Spanish were the first to discover it and the only documented and fully believable discovery of them was by a Dutchman. The fact the British have used military force to occupy someone else property is irrelevant. It belongs to the Argentine peoples.
Regarding Ireland, yes N Ireland is called part of Great Britain but that's doesn't mitigate from the fact that it is part of IRELAND and IRELAND is partitioned for political reasons. N Ireland shouldn't exist and therefore we shouldn't be occupying it. If the protestant people of Ireland prefer to deny that they are in fact Irish and prefer to be British perhaps they should go and live in Britain rather than Ireland?
These so called peace keeping missions you talk of in places like Bosnia were about control of the piplelines for gas and oil. Nothing else, politicians don't give a flying **** about civilians.
You haven't got a clue.
You haven't got a clue.
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Originally Posted by Vapid
Regarding Ireland, yes N Ireland is called part of Great Britain...
Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Nope. They were discovered by Captain John Davis, skipper of the British sailing ship "Desire" and were first settled by Captain John Strong in 1690. South American influences really only started in the mid 19th century when gauchos reared cattle there. Regardless, it should be down to the people who live there to determine their future, and that's what the war was about - retaining the right of the Falkland Islanders to self determination.
Maybe if the catholic people of Ireland prefer to deny that they are British they may be better off living in france where they came from originally? It's bollocks but it's no more purile than your comment.
Yeah, right. It's all a conspiracy, I tell you!
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Maybe if the catholic people of Ireland prefer to deny that they are British they may be better off living in france where they came from originally? It's bollocks but it's no more purile than your comment.
Yeah, right. It's all a conspiracy, I tell you!
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They weren't discovered by john davis, rather by Sebald de Weerdt a Dutchman which was the first undisputed sighting of them. In any case the British withdrew from there in 1774 which is when the Argentinians settled. The Falklands war wasn't about anyone right to self determination, it was about making thatcher appear strong and securing rights to resource exploitation.
Your other comments are a joke, Ireland belongs to the Irish as one nation rather than the current state as a divided country, partitioned purely by the British pandering to the whims of the protestant minority.
Do try and get your facts right before commenting.
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Originally Posted by Jerome
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Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.
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Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland.
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Vapid you a gimp and a troll, you have no idea about the military or how it is run, how can a Avionics Tech be thick?how can a commander of a Challenger 2 Tank worth 3.5 million pounds be thick? Grow up pal.
You have shown a total lack of desrepect to the whole of the military, I do not buy in to the whole thing that everyone in the forces is a top person because I have met a lot of people in the Forces who are complete wasters but for to say every one of is thick, thugs etc..is childish.
You are one of the many people who go on to forums to annoy and anger people as this is probably the only way you can do it with out facing the consequences, like I have said before you are a coward and have probably done nothing adventurous in your life.
If you dont agree with the war in Iraq or Afgan then fair enough, a lot of people dont agree with it however they dont go about slating the men and women who are serving over there.
You have shown a total lack of desrepect to the whole of the military, I do not buy in to the whole thing that everyone in the forces is a top person because I have met a lot of people in the Forces who are complete wasters but for to say every one of is thick, thugs etc..is childish.
You are one of the many people who go on to forums to annoy and anger people as this is probably the only way you can do it with out facing the consequences, like I have said before you are a coward and have probably done nothing adventurous in your life.
If you dont agree with the war in Iraq or Afgan then fair enough, a lot of people dont agree with it however they dont go about slating the men and women who are serving over there.
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I did originally put United Kingdom but figured I'd go with what the other poster had put so as not to confuse the issue.
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Originally Posted by Jdub
you have no idea about the military or how it is run, how can a Avionics Tech be thick?how can a commander of a Challenger 2 Tank worth 3.5 million pounds be thick? Grow up pal.
You have shown a total lack of desrepect to the whole of the military, I do not buy in to the whole thing that everyone in the forces is a top person because I have met a lot of people in the Forces who are complete wasters but for to say every one of is thick, thugs etc..is childish.
If you dont agree with the war in Iraq or Afgan then fair enough, a lot of people dont agree with it however they dont go about slating the men and women who are serving over there.
You have shown a total lack of desrepect to the whole of the military, I do not buy in to the whole thing that everyone in the forces is a top person because I have met a lot of people in the Forces who are complete wasters but for to say every one of is thick, thugs etc..is childish.
If you dont agree with the war in Iraq or Afgan then fair enough, a lot of people dont agree with it however they dont go about slating the men and women who are serving over there.
Yes I have no respect for the military, I have little respect for murdering scum whether they be wearing a uniform, a backpack of explosives on their back or whatever.
I love the comments about 'nothing adventurous in your life'- what's an adventure about being the tool of some politician?
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Originally Posted by Vapid
They weren't discovered by john davis, rather by Sebald de Weerdt a Dutchman which was the first undisputed sighting of them. In any case the British withdrew from there in 1774 which is when the Argentinians settled. The Falklands war wasn't about anyone right to self determination, it was about making thatcher appear strong and securing rights to resource exploitation.
Of course there was a political element in the war, and of course there was and is a strategic role for the Islands which is important. I'm not denying it, but it wasn't the only reason.
Your other comments are a joke,
Ireland belongs to the Irish as one nation rather than the current state as a divided country, partitioned purely by the British pandering to the whims of the protestant minority.
Do try and get your facts right before commenting.
Do try and get your facts right before commenting.
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