Originally Posted by Spoon

Sociopath, I granted you with a little more intelligence. In the eyes of the government a drink drive related accident can be prevented by not drinking, simple.

Originally Posted by Spoon

Again you've misread my post. You really have shown yourself up as a prize cúnt today, haven't you?

Originally Posted by sociopath

Oh and I'm a prize **** every day Spoon, where have you been?

Originally Posted by OllyK

How the **** is combing your hair, tuning the radio or smoking NOT pre-meditated. You know it increases the risk of you having an accident, but you do it anyway. Or are you saying these people are compelled to comb their hair etc while driving and cannot control it?

Originally Posted by OllyK

How the **** is combing your hair, tuning the radio or smoking NOT pre-meditated. You know it increases the risk of you having an accident, but you do it anyway. Or are you saying these people are compelled to comb their hair etc while driving and cannot control it?

Originally Posted by judgejules

If you're having your way with his wife and he walks in and you stab him in a heated argument that's manslaughter.

Originally Posted by judgejules

Much the same way as premeditated murder is different to manslaughter., as I said above.

If you are having your way with someones wife, plan to kill her husband, and stab him to death then that's premeditated murder. If you're having your way with his wife and he walks in and you stab him in a heated argument that's manslaughter. In both circumstances you took and knife and made the decision to fatally stab him with it.

That's the difference between killing someone by having a drink and running them over as opposed to playing with your radio and running someone over.

Jules

Originally Posted by judgejules

Much the same way as premeditated murder is different to manslaughter, as I said above.

If you are having your way with someones wife, plan to kill her husband, and stab him to death then that's premeditated murder. If you're having your way with his wife and he walks in and you stab him in a heated argument that's manslaughter. In both circumstances you took a knife and made the decision to fatally stab him with it.

That's the difference between killing someone by having a drink and running them over as opposed to playing with your radio and running someone over should it actually happen.

Jules

Originally Posted by sociopath

That is absurd. A prerequisite of premeditation is intent. Unless they intended to run someone over then your arguement is like you, fcuked in the head.

Originally Posted by sociopath

What the hell has this got to do with you branding everyone who has drunk alcohol and then driven as premeditated murderers?

Originally Posted by sociopath

You have to face the fact that drink driving is not always illegal and is not always dangerous.

Originally Posted by sociopath

Hey I couldn't give two hoots how flash harry you think your driving is. It's your sort, over-confident, cocky imbeciles, that cause more accidents than people who enjoy a couple of legal pints before driving.

Originally Posted by OllyK

I disagree, when you have a drink you are aware that it may affect your driving before you drink it. You are also aware that if you retune your radio it may affect your driving before you tune the radio.

Now sneezing and having an accident I'll let you have, but anything else you already know can affect your driving and if you choose to do it, then you're taking a risk, calculated or otherwise.

Originally Posted by sociopath

No, I read your post just fine. If that's not what you meant then you should have chosen different words. We've only got your words to go on you know, along with the perception that your contributions in this thread are biased because you had a crash. (boo hoo)

Originally Posted by Spoon

I for one took a big hit from a guy who was unable to stand properly due to drink, it hurt!

It doesn't make my view on drink driving any different, I'm merely against stupidity

Originally Posted by Spoon

With that I take it your bravado suddenly left you.

Originally Posted by judgejules

You are fine to disagree however tuning your radio while driving happens while driving and you have the option to not do it. However you drink before you drive (unless you are drinking a can in the car ) thus you have premeditated the action and you dont have the option of not being effected by it (no matter how slightly).

Jules

Originally Posted by lightning101

So you can 'accidently' switch the radio on then, without any thinking

Originally Posted by sociopath

Utter guff. Unless of course you are also willing to describe old drivers, disabled drivers, drivers who have vision lower than 20/20, drivers with depression or ADHD etc, etc, as 'naive, selfish or irresponsible' because all of them are slightly impaired when compared against the perfect example of humanity and yet all may choose to drive.

You'd like to hear from people who drink and drive would you? Well here I am. I drink up to the limit as it is my legal entitlement to do so. The limit for me is upwards of 3 pints by the way due to my somewhat large blood volume. Despite the negligable effect it has on my driving I still consider myself, post pub, a safer driver than the majority of the dip****s out there, as proved by my flawless, accident free driving record.

Whether or not you think I am right to use my legal right to drink and drive (below the limit) is of no consequence to me. My point was that the stupid ones are the mindless drones like you who are so impressionable that you have been brainwashed into thinking drink driving is a worse problem than any other insignificant, petty traffic offences. It isn't. They can all cause death, subject to the almost infinite array of external factors, it's just that blood alcohol level, like speed, is easy to measure.

It's not breathalysers that they need. It's stupid ****-ometers. If they could measure the level of moron in people then I'd go along with it.

But speeding? Drinking? Naaah. Easy cop out for the authorities. Gets no respect from me.

Originally Posted by Spoon

Read it fine did you?

Originally Posted by sociopath

My bravado? That's rich. You were the one strutting about issuing 'The Fast and the Furious' track challenges as if I should give a damn about your driving prowess.

I'm interested in your biased and clouded views towards drink driving not how many hours you've put into your playstation.

What a loser!

Originally Posted by Spoon

Slipping more I see. You mentioned the driving ability, I answered it, you shát your Matalan leggings.

I don't own a Playstation.

Originally Posted by lightning101

Actually - here is the plain old dictionary definition:


Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension.

Now IMO, when someone goes to the pub for a pint they are not pre-planning someones death through dangerous driving.

Originally Posted by sociopath

Read it, yes. Believed it, no.

You say it doesn't affect your views, and then go on to to prove otherwise by your ridiculous notion about premeditated drink-murder!

I'm putting that down to your prior accident.... unless there is another reason for your ****-eyed opinion you'd like to submit? Mental perhaps?

Originally Posted by sociopath

two arranged fights (one of whom actually turned up )

Originally Posted by King RA

To everyone out there that thinks 1 pint could be the difference between killing someone or not then I hope you didn't eat garlic with your lunch, because you'll be doing the same as someone that has had a pint.

I guess some of you ... are pilots or have been in flight tests... I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the 1950s. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you'd not had a few drops of garlic."

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Originally Posted by King RA

To everyone out there that thinks 1 pint could be the difference between killing someone or not then I hope you didn't eat garlic with your lunch, because you'll be doing the same as someone that has had a pint.

I guess some of you ... are pilots or have been in flight tests... I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the 1950s. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you'd not had a few drops of garlic."

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