sociopath

Spoon is in esteemed company:

https://www.scoobynet.com/im-bored-t...86#post5703486

And it's too late for him to back out of our race and say he was joking, so I'm claiming this thread as a valid race challenge!

It's just SO McDonalds car park!

Spoon

Well done you too. You've opened my 'quickly dissolved online challenges' book. In the reason column I've written, "Cancelled due to lack of real life backbone"

King RA

"Pilots are not permitted to ingest garlic before their flights because it slows down their reaction times"

here

Might be a load of crap, are there any fighter pilots on scoobynet whom can let us know??

OllyK

Another quack cures for cancer site??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garlic

Bubba po

Jerome

Something that always got me was the clever use of statistics to make DD anti-social back in the 80's: 25% of deaths on the road are drink related.

Drink related includes a drunk pedestrian who wanders into the road and gets killed by a sober motorist and also the drunk passenger who is killed by a sober driver.

So, even in the 80's, the vast majority of people killed on the road, where killed by a sober driver. I find that far more worrying.

The percentage of people killed by drink drivers now, must be far far lower, yet there is still no emphasis on sober drivers killing people (other than the speed kills bull****).

Not that I'm condoning drink driving, I just think people should keep their perspective with respect to drink driving, including when it is done within the law.

davegtt

But the amount of sober drivers on the road compared to drunk drivers on the road is vastly different. But even so, good point to make

stilover

And the Driver would have been arrested. That really bugs me. Why if someone steps out infront of my car, am I arrested.
You never hear of a train driver being arrested when someone steps out in front of his train.

Drivers of cars are guilty is seems of everything.

judgejules

I dont believe I did say that manslaughter was not non-premeditated murder.

There are lots of things that aren't premeditated murder, manslaughter being one of them which is why I used it. However in hindsight, I should have probably said involuntary manslaughter just to make it clear to those that want to nit pick

Jules

judgejules

Yes, 1 day or 10 years, even less is premeditation, in the eyes of the law its not the couple of milliseconds it takes to fire the neurons to decide whether to change channel on the radio.

Do you want me to explain it for a third/fourth time?

Jules

OllyK

Seeing as you've failed miserably the last two/three times that may be an idea. In either case you choose to perform an action that you know "may" have an effect on your driving ability.

sociopath

For the love of god, what is your malfunction?

Let's just drop the notion that killing someone through drink driving is premeditated shall we?

Premeditation isn't in the decision to drink, it's in the decision to kill someone. Please show us a sign that you are capable of sentience by not babbling on incessantly about pre-*******-meditation!



Or better still, just boil your head!

Bubba po

Is Jules winding you up, mate? He's such a troll sometimes.

judgejules

What makes it funnier Bubba, is that I've never said that killing someone through drink driving is premeditated murder.

Finally, after two pages you have actually processed what I said:

Drinking and driving vs playing with your radio is the difference between premeditated murder and manslaughter.

It ok sociopath, just don't be so angry about it

Jules

sociopath

No, what makes it funny DrudgeJules is your incredible stupidity. Your weak comparison is wrong on two levels:

1) Despite what you say, your comparison does imply that causing death through drink driving is premeditated
2) There is NO moral difference, to any logical mind, between causing an accident by drinking too much and causing an accident by twiddling your radio **** too much. Both are acts of blatant stupidity (much like your cr4p analogy) and both end in death.

The difference that is important, however, is that the rozzers can measure your blood alcohol and still get to the doughnut shop before closing.

So I guess that renders all your nonsense obsolete, doesn't it.

*Sonic*

Damn, im glad I went to the pub last night

look at what heated debate has started,

My reason for posting this thread was that I was surprised that many people were up in arms ( on the radio) that heaven forbid we should lower the drink drive limit to just one pint for the under 25's only not for the whole country

I personally havent been witness to any drink driving related accidents (so there sociogaff, your conclusive evidence about me is severly flawed (next time do your homework )

Im just surprised that so many people are against having the limit lowered to 1 pint

sociopath

Well now you know.... and you know why.

Perhaps you'll think twice about blindly following the herd next time the governmnent tells you that you should think about certain petty driving offences.

judgejules

I missed this before. I totally agree. There are, and should be restrictions on driving while under the effects of prescription drugs (and illegal ones). However its a tiny bit easier to detect alcohol that it is the vast number of drugs that could have an effect on driving ability in general. This doesn't mean that the Police are victimising drink drivers in the slightest. Considering the breathalyser has been around for over 50 years, you might need to give it a little more time before a reliable portable testing unit is devised for all the other variants neurotoxins. However you can rest assured that when the technology is available it will come into use and new laws will be passed to cover it.

This however doesn't mean that people who do test their luck by taking these drugs are in the right. Its just the fact that they cant be stopped from doing it or detected doing it until something tragic happens and they are discovered and have to provide a blood test (yes I know road side testing for certain banned substances is already in place but I'm talking about every drug type here).

People with slow reactions are different to those under the effects of alcohol. They do not have the elevated sense of self confidence that alcohol induces. I would hope that their driving instructor had passed them on their ability to drive safely, after all this is what they should be doing. But as I've said before this isn't a thread about the learner driving training system so I wont go there.

Jules

hectic

jules .. how many times have you read this thread?

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Here's another stat for you: 100% of accidents on the road are speed related!

Well, stationary cars tend to not bump into things/people afterall!

My oprinion is still if you drink ANYTHING, don't drive. Your driving is impaired even under the limit and guessing where you are in respect of the limit is very hit and miss. Anyone with a conscience would not forgive themselves if they had an accident, even if they were under the limit; you'd be forever asking "what if I'd have had nothing to drink"

Ns04

Ns04

*Sonic*

I don't have to think twice (unlike you who can only make assumptions about people, purely for the sake of your own boredom, and sad sorry life )

Did you see me blindly following the herd ? the herd were all the people who are clearly against drink driving limit being altered

You don't know what I think, you can only make assumptions on what I post on here, same as thats all I can do about you, but my assumptions about you are the same as most on here

I don't believe the government said Drink Driving was a petty driving offence, can you show me the documentation that backs this up ? I would certainly be interested ?

David Lock

And of course too many drinks and you start to see double..........

judgejules

Ah resorting to name calling again, I'd thought we'd overcome that. I'm sorry if you seem to have crossed purposes with someone else posting on this thread but my differentiation does not imply anything. I could have quite easily said "Drinking and driving vs playing with your radio is the difference between the sun and the moon". The fact that it was pertinent to the whole death thing was just a damn good play on words, if I do say so myself

So we're talking about morality now?

I totally agree that causing an accident by playing with your radio is stupid. The difference is that you can choose when to play with your radio during the entire journey, but while under the effects of alcohol you have no choice as to its affects to diminish your driving ability. Therefor they are not the same.

I find it absolutely amazing that you put drink driving on the same moral level as playing with your radio. Playing with the radio does not cause diminished judgement for your entire journey. Playing with the radio does not cause an increase in self confidence. Yes is it stupid to do it at the wrong time but it is not the same, its not even on the same planet. One is the willing introduction of a neurotoxin into you system and the other is, well, turning off MeatLoaf

Not really, no.

Jules

judgejules

Not many, I've been quite busy on other things today.

Jules

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

HOW DARE YOU; I'VE NEVER BEEN PISSED IN MY WIFE *Burps* then falls on backside*

I F**KIN LOVE YOU ALL, YOU BARSTEWARDS!

Ns04

hectic

its just that you keep popping back with.. oh, i just saw this bit.. lol

judgejules

Heh yeah, I guess my brain is wired up wrong or something. I forget to reply to some things but people usually go "broken record" on here and start saying the same things later on. I then remember reading the original posts and thinking, hmm did I post a reply to that one. Search is great thankfully

It would be nice if people used quotes more instead of expecting people to remember every fine little detail, but ce la vie.

Jules

hectic

David Lock

Would you like to hear an old relevant joke??

Cops pull over a couple having followed them through village.

Cops say to husband who is driving, "Excuse me sir, we have been following you and you were way over the speed limit"

"Oh no I bloody wasn't says driver" "Oh yes he was" piped up wifey from passenger seat. "He always drives like a bloody maniac through the village"

Cop was a bit taken aback but goes on to say "And I also noticed you weren't wearing your seat belt sir" "Yes I was" says driver, "I had just taken it off to get at my licence in case you wanted to see it". "Oh no he wasn't" says wifey "He never wears the thing"

"Why don't you mind your own bloody business you shrivelled old cow" shrieks hubby to his wife.

Cop looks aghast and says to wifey "Does he always shout at you like that madam?"

"Oh no" she says.......







"Only when he's been drinking"......................