J4CKO

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Should tax them on emmisions, Rotties would be in the highest band hence to expensive for the poor and stupid.

Vegescoob

Dogs are dogs. Humans have, throughout history breed and made them, each breed, what they are. Many for a specific human decided purpose.
Perhaps we should point blame at successive Governments that seem to have become so inept at maintaining law and order that people feel the need to have dogs to protect their property.

Trucker Ted

It wasn't other Rottweillers that stabbed them ,was it?

j4ckos mate

should all be put down

i regard these in the same way as guns


that is that you should not be allowed to own one because you want one

David Lock

2-legged Rotties I think...........

DCI Gene Hunt

I would extend that theory/principle to Chav's and subaru's.......

Flatcapdriver

Wrong again. Accents are a grammatical device in the French language, not English so I'm correct in the first instance given we are communicating using the English language.

As for providing evidence based on irrelevant statistics you only have yourself to blame if others pick you up on it. The simple fact of the matter is that you are overwhelmingly unlikely to be attacked by a dog in any country.

That report states that the majority of dog bites are commited at low level on adults but that the majority of attacks on children are on the face. So what? A child is much closer to a dog's level so it's hardly surprising that this happens but its this level understanding/explanation that the authors of this report have failed to delve into. The same goes for the other information you dug up - you cannot base any ban on certain breeds based on flawed information.

methodman

i think pets/animals/big dogs need to be trained, also their thick owners, in my view theres something not quite right about keeping an animal for your own pleasure, its almost cruel, and most people who i see walking dogs are quite simply getting dragged along, so full lack of training i see.

BUT only on scooby net are the dogs deffended.

if this happened to your daughter infront of a pub, how would you feel reading this thread?

AudiLover

more people die of 17yr olds in a 1.0 corsa than because of violent dogs.

gatecrasher3

No but I am sure that someone on here will be able to factor in the dogs being to blame for it somehow!

After all. It's always the dogs fault never the owner/parent/child/postman

LG John

I don't doubt that but that really wasn't my point

2000TLondon

I have two Rottweilers, 11 months old, 105 - 110 lbs (same weight as my wife) with an eventual weight in the region of 135 - 140 lbs full grown. They are big, strong and very fast! I am still training them, and intend to continue trainnig them until they are perfectly under control. Until they are perfectly under control, I watch them very closely and generally keep them on a lead in public, although they are EXCELLENT with children and people.

Had my friends kids over last weekend and the two kids, 5 and 2, and the dogs played for two hours in the lounge, the only incident being Bruno knocked the 2 yeard old over accidentally!

However, I would NEVER leave my child, especially at 5 months old, alone with two dogs, even if they were pugs or chihuhuas (sic), let along two Rottweilers that were TRAINED AS GUARD DOGS and frequently terrified the neighbours.

I haven't read all the responses here, but the onus is ALWAYS ON THE OWNER, the dogs were there to scare people, and were treated as such. It's tragic, but the dogs were acting as they had been brought up to do.....

Edited to say

I strongly agree that ALL dog owners should be forced to take a dog obidience and dog education class before they can just buy a dog, no matter what. Dog ownership should be licenced for safety and well-being issues. In fact the same with new parents!

Norman D. Landing

It appears from further reports that the dogs were not left alone with the baby, rather they found an open fire door to an ajoining flat, made their way in, found the baby and dragged it out onto the flat roof before 'tearing her apart' (quoted so not just stated for shock effect). I wont paste any links or text as I'm sure you'll manage to find the reports yourselves and I dont want to be slated by our flat cap wearing friend.

I doubt that they were acting as they'd been 'brought up to do' in this case, a baby isn't exactly an intruder or threat.

The Snug Rhino

nothing to do with dangerous dogs - they were guard dogs, not pets. No different to if they had dropped a padlock on the babies head.

considering how rare it is for such an accident...who cares? aside from the media (how many kids got killed on the roads this week??? few more than by some stupid dogs!)

as for muppets that own dogs like that for pets - all a bit sad, i see someone has already mentioned the weight of their dog....is that like a K9 version of "how bigs your exhaust" ?

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As the (former) owner of an English Bull Terrier your point is what, exactly?

As more of the story comes to light we see some changes to the original information.

It transpires that mum and new boyfriend (who's parents owned the pub and therefore who should have been fully aware of the dogs temprament) left the baby alone in one of the rooms in the living quarters of the pub while they moved furniture/effects in or out.

Its reported that a fire door was left open, allowing the dogs access to the room in question.

The mother and her boyfriend found out what had happened when it was too late to do anything about it.

IMO

1) The dogs were correctly destroyed.

2) The owner of the dogs should be locked up for manslaughter and banned from keeping dogs for life.

3) The mother and her boyfriend should be heavily punished for their negligence because of a) what has happened to a defenceless child and b) as an example to other parents who are too stupid to realise that "guard dogs" and children don't mix. Saying the door should not have been left open is no defence. The dogs should have been chained up and securely locked up before they left the child alone.

4) The two people you really have to feel for here are the trauma suffered by the little girl and her father.

Surprisingly, the politicians and the media have not gone into the usual ban Rottweilers "frenzy". Interestingly, the comments on the news websites are reasonably balanced.

If the politicians do anything here, they should adopt the German position, where the owners and the dogs of certain breeds both have to be tested for their respective abilities and attitudes.

if you have the dog, haven't passed the test, you go to jail for 6 months and your dog is confiscated.

They should also make it illegal (hard to enforce, I know but perhaps it would make people think) to leave children alone where dogs have access.

Just my take on this, and being Scoobynet no doubt we will see the usual host of rational and irrational comments alike.

davegtt

The owners of the dogs were on holiday and had nothing to do whatsoever with what happened and you think they should be locked up no wonder the prisons are too full to lock away proper criminals

Alas

This problem will continue to arise until owners realise the problem is there.
Where I used to live 2 young girls took a pair of rotties for a walk(neither was the owners family) and were savagely attacked. This was about 20 yrs ago.

I have a large dog that I walk in locations where there are no other people eg on forestry land. When I do walk my dog in town or take him to the vet he is muzzled. Why? because when I first got him as a rescue I took him to the vet and he had a half hearted attempt to bite the vet when he stuck a thermometer up his jacksie. A few on here might be a bit annoyed if that happened to them as well - or maybe not. He has never attempted to bite anyone else since but rather safe than sorry.
You cannot get in to my garden where the dog is except from the inside.

I have him because I was away from the house a lot and anyone who tried to break in or attack my wife would come off worse. Just knowing the dog is there would put off most people. I choose to keep him so he is my responsibility. Pity people do not feel the same about their nearly feral children that go about mugging/stabbing the weaker in society.

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Interesting concept.

So you are happy to say that they had no obligation to train their dogs properly not to kill children, no obligation to ensure their safe confimement when they were not there, no obligation to ensure that proper measures to ensure this sort of thing didn't happen when they were not there to manage their "guard dogs" ?

davegtt

No, the point is somebody else was looking after their dogs, sure they have an obligation to ensure theyre in a safe confinement but are you blaming them for leaving the fire escape open? I find it hard to believe you can say that. Im not one for defending people who have dogs as guards rather than family pets but I can't quite see how you can blame the owners unless they left the dogs in the hands of incompetent people (Which I suppose you can argue they did)

2000TLondon

How's that? I'm not some c n ut that struts around shopping centres with my dog, spitting on the floor and staring people out! There is nothing "sad" about owning powerful dogs....

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

I am not a fan of Rottweilers, but I think that despite all the arguments about the owners negligence I think the dogs probably didnt know what they had actually found, they probably treated it like they would any other small animal, perhaps had it been a toddler, stood up making eye contact it may have been different, sadly we will never know.

I think the local scum should be proud that due to the way they conduct themselves, robbing, mugging etc, that the publican felt the need for two big scary dogs, might have been the small ***** syndrome on the part of the publican but by and large there is not many people that would want two massive Rottweilers, a dog is a dog and I would rather have something that didnt have the physical strength to overwhelm me, never mind intruders.

There are many dog breeds, so why pick something with such a bad rep if you dont need to, if you want something big, ugly and intimidating Jacko's mate (TM) is available for any situation at very reasonable rates.


I was talking to someone the other day about poor old Steve Irwin, saying how I am glad the UK doesnt have any indigenous species that can kill you, I forgot about Rottweilers.

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I don't think there is any "argument" about it.

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And don't forget Muslims...they've killed a fair few

And bulls - people do get killed by large farmyard animals too. More common than you'd think

And cats - been a few reported cases..

The point is, that the stats will show that the number of people killed by animals (not just dogs) in the uk is, on average, about 25 a year.

Hardly worth 4 (or more) pages on a BBS. In fact, its about the only sensible thing tiggs has posted in a while....

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Has anybody actually been mauled to death by a moggy ?

I remember my mum being paranoid about cats suffocating my baby brother when in his pram, after somewhere warm to kip.

jasey