DCI Gene Hunt

I voted them home, HOWEVER they're ******* idiots for signing up in the first place........

Jay_bee

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Im not interested in the rights and wrongs of joining the forces, the post was whether they should stay there or not. And for people that voted they should stay there, Id be interested to see if are they facing the prospect of going out there or if they have any family out there?

I reckon chances are probably not, what do you think?

Vapid

That's an irrelevant question though. Obviously cowards who've joined up and are now regretting it will want to get out of it, likewise their families who just want the money and to turn up to parades where they can act all proud of their offspring.
The reality of roadside bombs in some sun blasted desert hell hole not quite what they'd envisaged is it?

I changed my mind during the course of this thread. Leave them out there and give them a taste of reality.

Jay_bee

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Isnt it time you got back under your bridge?

Vapid

Maybe but it doesn't make my points any less valid though.

Jay_bee

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Vapid

I love it when people post the 'sleep' emoticon. It's confirmation that they have a spectacular lack of imagination and that they haven't the ability to debate.

DCI Gene Hunt

Yes but that's the point isn't it..... these people signed up to it, and of their own free will........

It's like all the doctors and nurses resigning because they get attacked by drunks after the pubs close......

So where somebody has voted for them to stay it will be due to their belief that it will serve a purpose, possibly even restoring order to those ****holes.... rather than "yeah this is funny let's keep them out there!"

And at the end of the day they signed up to do it..........

Moley

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Who is to say though that the soldiers dont want to be there???

I have spoken to a few guys who are out there, and it's nothing like as bad as people over here (who have never spend a minute in the army) make out.

Would be very interested to get the view of someone who has actually experienced being out there

TelBoy

They shouldn't be there in the first place. We are not the world's policeman. Bring them back, wait for Labour to lose the next election, and let's have a thorough overhaul of our foreign policy.

DCI Gene Hunt

Very true................

Jay_bee

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I would say the guys in the front line would rather not be there than be there, no one wants to die. You go, do your job and hope its not your turn but your dont want to be there if you had the choice. As for it being not as bad as whats made out, I think you might actually find its the other way round and I suppose again, its all relative, if you're not stationed in a hot spot and dont see much action then I suppose it wont be that bad. On the other hand, if you're constantly getting shot at and having motar shells landing just outside your base and dodging RPG's when out on patrol then you might have another opinion.

OllyK

As a matter of interest, for those that say they should stay until the job is done, at what point do you decide the job can't be done. If we've lost a couple of million soldiers (in to drafting by this stage) and we're still there in 20 years time, do we keep sending more people out there?

Moley

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Didn't they think this might be the case though when they joined up?

I don't want to be shot at/have shells aimed at me etc.....so i didn't join the forces. Common sense really

DCI Gene Hunt

Steady on Rambo........ leave some for the others......

As in getting shot at and beheaded?............

davegtt

I voted for them to stay and your right, I dont face the prospect of going out there myself nor do I have family out there, so that makes my point non biased, you on the other hand may have family and want them home just so theyre safe etc.... Bollocks to that, that is biased, that member of the family signed up for the army knowing full well at some point their training may be called upon. You could have talked them out of joining the army in the first place. They have a job to do, make them get on with it.

davegtt

ohh and FWIW when I was a kid I always thought if I joined the army it'd be because I want to fight for my country and experience exhilirating action like you'd expect of a soldier, off course I grew up and decided I wanted to keep my body parts in tact so didnt join. Any person in the army stationed out there and moaning only have themselves to blame IMO.

SJ_Skyline

They should not be there in the first place.

davegtt

Agreed but thats not what we're discussing

B9GLY

imo we should send the whole army there, flatten the country and kill anyone in there way then bring our guys back at the end of the week! job done, problem sorted!

edited so it doesnt look like im calling it a gay army lol

OllyK

You think sending gays in will make a difference?

DCI Gene Hunt

Only if they were a crack squad.............

B9GLY

lol, hey, they could go wild out there, no one to stop them!!!

Jay_bee

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Just out of interest, why do you want them to stay? Its a pointless cause and as has been said by other people, we shouldnt be there in the first place.

My point was its very easy for people that have no connection to the situation to just say "yeah keep 'em there", the whole they signed up so stuff 'em, lets have some more wooden boxes with flags draped over them and ha-ha its their own fault attitude sums this place up really.

OllyK

So nobody is prepared to put a time limit on how long we give it to complete the job, you're quite happy for us to stay there indefinately, even if that's for the next 50 years or more?

Moley

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Thats not really what people are saying though is it?

Jay_bee

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I think you'll find there are some comments along those lines actually

DCI Gene Hunt

I'll think you'll find that's oner person called Va.........

Jay_bee

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You were saying?

davegtt

If you'd bothered to read my posts in this thread you'd know wouldnt you?