Does anyone run a BIG Bhp Scoob on the road?
20 October 2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Youre up against the turbo at 273 Andy. If I were you Id consider replacing the whole exhaust and fitting a high-flow catalytic convertor, fitting a better fuel pump and then Id look at turbochargers... Id choose Andy Forrest's TD04 hybrid for improved pumping without losing the low down spool; ts good for 320bhp with no real loss of responsiveness.
If you go for a larger turbo who knows where it will all end.....?
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If you go for a larger turbo who knows where it will all end.....?
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
Cheers Simon. So there is a significant difference between the Andy F TD04 and VF35 in terms of both power and responsiveness ? (I would be limited by the gearbox as I wouldn't bother to change this). Also, will a Scoob still pass its MOT with only a downpipe sports cat ?
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Andy F himself told me that the Hybrid Td04 was a step between the Std Td04 and the VF series via E-mail. Probably not a huge amount in it. Although happy to be corrected.
Gearbox is a bit of a lottery really, but common concensus appears to be that as long as you're reasonably gentle with it and the car is mapped sympathetically, low 300s should be fine. Can't promise though, some give way at std power, not, I suspect, without some provocation !!
A scooby with a good sports cat in the DP should pass emissions no problem. STi x has the ninja (like me) and sailed straight through.
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20 October 2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
The ones we run arent made of plasticene
20 October 2006, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Andy,
Andy F himself told me that the Hybrid Td04 was a step between the Std Td04 and the VF series via E-mail. Probably not a huge amount in it. Although happy to be corrected.
Gearbox is a bit of a lottery really, but common concensus appears to be that as long as you're reasonably gentle with it and the car is mapped sympathetically, low 300s should be fine. Can't promise though, some give way at std power, not, I suspect, without some provocation !!
A scooby with a good sports cat in the DP should pass emissions no problem. STi x has the ninja (like me) and sailed straight through.
Andy F himself told me that the Hybrid Td04 was a step between the Std Td04 and the VF series via E-mail. Probably not a huge amount in it. Although happy to be corrected.
Gearbox is a bit of a lottery really, but common concensus appears to be that as long as you're reasonably gentle with it and the car is mapped sympathetically, low 300s should be fine. Can't promise though, some give way at std power, not, I suspect, without some provocation !!
A scooby with a good sports cat in the DP should pass emissions no problem. STi x has the ninja (like me) and sailed straight through.
20 October 2006, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
Cheers Simon. So there is a significant difference between the Andy F TD04 and VF35 in terms of both power and responsiveness ? (I would be limited by the gearbox as I wouldn't bother to change this). Also, will a Scoob still pass its MOT with only a downpipe sports cat ?
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Assuming you are looking at 300bhp and upwards, doing so without upgrading the gearbox could be a bit of a gamble IMHO. It would be an expensive one if the gearbox and, or clutch packs in. As you know, I have heard of several 300BHP+ Scoobs on standard boxes that have resulted in big bills for replacement ( usually STI) boxes. I am not saying you should not increase the BHP, but if it was me I would make sure I was prepared to fit a new box should the worst happen. It is just my opinion, but if you are prepared to spend money upping the power, you should consider spending money upgrading the gearbox, clutch brakes, cooling etc. That is just my opinion of course.
20 October 2006, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Indeed; but youve spent more on your bonnet scoop than a lot of tubular manifolds are sold for.....
21 October 2006, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Stev
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Assuming you are looking at 300bhp and upwards, doing so without upgrading the gearbox could be a bit of a gamble IMHO. It would be an expensive one if the gearbox and, or clutch packs in. As you know, I have heard of several 300BHP+ Scoobs on standard boxes that have resulted in big bills for replacement ( usually STI) boxes. I am not saying you should not increase the BHP, but if it was me I would make sure I was prepared to fit a new box should the worst happen. It is just my opinion, but if you are prepared to spend money upping the power, you should consider spending money upgrading the gearbox, clutch brakes, cooling etc. That is just my opinion of course.
Assuming you are looking at 300bhp and upwards, doing so without upgrading the gearbox could be a bit of a gamble IMHO. It would be an expensive one if the gearbox and, or clutch packs in. As you know, I have heard of several 300BHP+ Scoobs on standard boxes that have resulted in big bills for replacement ( usually STI) boxes. I am not saying you should not increase the BHP, but if it was me I would make sure I was prepared to fit a new box should the worst happen. It is just my opinion, but if you are prepared to spend money upping the power, you should consider spending money upgrading the gearbox, clutch brakes, cooling etc. That is just my opinion of course.
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21 October 2006, 01:01 PM
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Brilliant thread this one!!!
I am in the process (still) of upgrading my car.
The plan is Apexi ECU, 440's (maybe 550's) and headers, in addition to the FMIC, exhaust and fuel pump already fitted.
Am hoping for 320bhp, anything more will be a bonus.
(Brakes and suspension have already been upgraded)
I went out as a passenger on a trackday recently in 2 Escort Cosworths, one was 330bhp, the other 450+. Was suprised how similar they felt. Yes the 450bhp one was a bit quicker, but only marginal. (both had the same suspension set up, and were driven my very capable drivers)
I am in the process (still) of upgrading my car.
The plan is Apexi ECU, 440's (maybe 550's) and headers, in addition to the FMIC, exhaust and fuel pump already fitted.
Am hoping for 320bhp, anything more will be a bonus.
(Brakes and suspension have already been upgraded)
I went out as a passenger on a trackday recently in 2 Escort Cosworths, one was 330bhp, the other 450+. Was suprised how similar they felt. Yes the 450bhp one was a bit quicker, but only marginal. (both had the same suspension set up, and were driven my very capable drivers)
Sorry mate... not fitted the 800's yet... will be fitted soon... then i'll send you the 440's if you still need them???
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I have done over 10000 miles now in my WR1 which is running 487bhp and 432Ibs torque,the car drives much like a standard WR1,starts 1st time even if left for a week,fuel consumption is very good,over 300 miles to the tank,goes like stink,we had the needle back round to 6 o clock at bruntingthorpe with 4 people in it last year.
All this is down to a top class engine build by Matt Clark at RCM and good mapping by Bob Rawle,cost is not cheap,but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I hope to add the twisted turbo kit over the new year,to finish things off,we have just done the roll bars and fitted exe-tc suspension and the car has APs all round,its the best thing I have done,if your thinking about doing it go for it,its a smile a mile.
All this is down to a top class engine build by Matt Clark at RCM and good mapping by Bob Rawle,cost is not cheap,but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I hope to add the twisted turbo kit over the new year,to finish things off,we have just done the roll bars and fitted exe-tc suspension and the car has APs all round,its the best thing I have done,if your thinking about doing it go for it,its a smile a mile.
21 October 2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
true, IIRC the scoop cost a tad more (incl VAT) than the retail of my headers, they are the same ones as Alan Bell has on his car.
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21 October 2006, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
Cheers Stev. You comin' to the honkie at 9pm tonight mate ?
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Hi Andy
I will be there for a few jars.
Cya l8r
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good thread this..
there is definitely a point of diminishing returns for a daily driver IMHO.
FWIW I think mid 300's with good low down response (with sorted chassis & brakes) is about the right balance. Beyond that the enjoyment:cost ratios start to go down due to the comments already made.
David, where did that bump come from..? See what you mean about finding things, when running BIG power, that wouldn't be noticed with lower outputs..!
there is definitely a point of diminishing returns for a daily driver IMHO.
FWIW I think mid 300's with good low down response (with sorted chassis & brakes) is about the right balance. Beyond that the enjoyment:cost ratios start to go down due to the comments already made.
David, where did that bump come from..? See what you mean about finding things, when running BIG power, that wouldn't be noticed with lower outputs..!
22 October 2006, 02:26 PM
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BTW In those vids of Davids, what is it that causes the pops and bangs on the over-run..?
Would I be correct in thinking its to do with the timing advance/Leary cam/valve overlap..?
Would I be correct in thinking its to do with the timing advance/Leary cam/valve overlap..?
22 October 2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Id be interested to hear what make they are and what they cost/where they were from then... Id expected them to have cost a lot more, as you probably guessed.
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22 October 2006, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucko
I have done over 10000 miles now in my WR1 which is running 487bhp and 432Ibs torque,the car drives much like a standard WR1,starts 1st time even if left for a week,fuel consumption is very good,over 300 miles to the tank,goes like stink,we had the needle back round to 6 o clock at bruntingthorpe with 4 people in it last year.
All this is down to a top class engine build by Matt Clark at RCM and good mapping by Bob Rawle,cost is not cheap,but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I hope to add the twisted turbo kit over the new year,to finish things off,we have just done the roll bars and fitted exe-tc suspension and the car has APs all round,its the best thing I have done,if your thinking about doing it go for it,its a smile a mile.
All this is down to a top class engine build by Matt Clark at RCM and good mapping by Bob Rawle,cost is not cheap,but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I hope to add the twisted turbo kit over the new year,to finish things off,we have just done the roll bars and fitted exe-tc suspension and the car has APs all round,its the best thing I have done,if your thinking about doing it go for it,its a smile a mile.
22 October 2006, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucko
I have done over 10000 miles now in my WR1 which is running 487bhp and 432Ibs torque,the car drives much like a standard WR1,starts 1st time even if left for a week,fuel consumption is very good,over 300 miles to the tank,goes like stink,we had the needle back round to 6 o clock at bruntingthorpe with 4 people in it last year.
All this is down to a top class engine build by Matt Clark at RCM and good mapping by Bob Rawle,cost is not cheap,but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I hope to add the twisted turbo kit over the new year,to finish things off,we have just done the roll bars and fitted exe-tc suspension and the car has APs all round,its the best thing I have done,if your thinking about doing it go for it,its a smile a mile.
All this is down to a top class engine build by Matt Clark at RCM and good mapping by Bob Rawle,cost is not cheap,but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I hope to add the twisted turbo kit over the new year,to finish things off,we have just done the roll bars and fitted exe-tc suspension and the car has APs all round,its the best thing I have done,if your thinking about doing it go for it,its a smile a mile.
Absolutly adore their kit, only things i would say are better are the Motons.. apart from that.. Nothing even comes close
Glad you went for the roll bars.. was this after our chat at JAE? lol
Hope youre well, see you soon
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23 October 2006, 03:09 PM
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BTW In those vids of Davids, what is it that causes the pops and bangs on the over-run..?
Would I be correct in thinking its to do with the timing advance/Leary cam/valve overlap..?
Would I be correct in thinking its to do with the timing advance/Leary cam/valve overlap..?
The other pops and bangs were a missfire which was eventually fixed when I changed to an optical crank pickup, which has worked faultlessly
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23 October 2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveBlueRA
Mine is used every day, used to and from work, monthly shop and has even been to ikea and had a wardrobe in it.
459.5 Bhp and 515lb/ft
459.5 Bhp and 515lb/ft
What is your setup??
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Originally Posted by DaveBlueRA
Mine is for the monthly shop....
459.5 Bhp and 515lb/ft
459.5 Bhp and 515lb/ft
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23 October 2006, 04:54 PM
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Emma is yet to drive mine in its present state, but we have gone shopping in it, picked the kids up from school, etc, etc
Picking the kids up was the best, take one 4 year old and one 5 year old, sit them in the back of the car, with the labrador in the boot, apply throttle with the road wet through, and listen to the kids giggle as the car surges forward, after a few moments of severe wheelspin in 4th
Great having kids that love Subarus
Picking the kids up was the best, take one 4 year old and one 5 year old, sit them in the back of the car, with the labrador in the boot, apply throttle with the road wet through, and listen to the kids giggle as the car surges forward, after a few moments of severe wheelspin in 4th
Great having kids that love Subarus
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
Emma is yet to drive mine in its present state, but we have gone shopping in it, picked the kids up from school, etc, etc
Picking the kids up was the best, take one 4 year old and one 5 year old, sit them in the back of the car, with the labrador in the boot, apply throttle with the road wet through, and listen to the kids giggle as the car surges forward, after a few moments of severe wheelspin in 4th
Great having kids that love Subarus
Picking the kids up was the best, take one 4 year old and one 5 year old, sit them in the back of the car, with the labrador in the boot, apply throttle with the road wet through, and listen to the kids giggle as the car surges forward, after a few moments of severe wheelspin in 4th
Great having kids that love Subarus
23 October 2006, 05:14 PM
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It doesnt bother him, he is completely chilled in a Subaru, he's been in them from being 6 weeks old, hes now 6 1/2. Occassionaly, when you forget the lazy begger is there, and take a corner too quick, he does wake up and look at you via the rear view mirror, as if to say; *cough* Oi!
Its so funny seeing peoples faces as they disappear in the rear view mirror, especially when the car is full of the family
Its so funny seeing peoples faces as they disappear in the rear view mirror, especially when the car is full of the family
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Same old answer, depends how you drive
On one 100 mile round trip to work, i used the best part of 3/4 of a tank.
On another, i used approx 1/3.
On one 100 mile round trip to work, i used the best part of 3/4 of a tank.
On another, i used approx 1/3.
23 October 2006, 11:30 PM
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On 450bhp+ I typically average about 15-16 mpg (on a 2liter sti5) - problem is you cant take your foot off the accelerator on the motorway – you just to have a play
I've had my car since new in 1999 and have gradually modded (with over 25 mapping sessions I reckon) and made a lot of stupid mistakes - not taking appropriate advise and listening to the wrong people - hey ho. I was going to go down the route of bigger engine, rotated turbo, etc but I saw sense and realised the huge issue of diminishing returns
I guess because I ran the car so long at 400bhp-420bhp region I was overjoyed when I moved over 450bhp with the right turbo. I certainly wouldnt want less than I have (currently 480bhp depending on day to day variation in results at G Force).
For the first time in a while I scared myself when I realised that I was going way too fast into a bend at night-time and only just managed to slow down in time - I would say for me about 500bhp is about the limit that I would like for outright acceleration and drivability (only a little more than I have now and realistically achievable with a higher methanol mix if I can be bothered to get it done and mapped - some day....)
I have what I would say is very little, or manageable lag - compared to the wrx04 my wife says the sti5 is less laggy for her to drive - which says something
Mines never really had any issues, except cracking the cylinder heads running too high boost levels - engine rebuild job - but no big deal, oh and a number of duff Turbo's
I dont have any issues with the gearbox and the AP organic seems to have held up very well indeed, only real painful issues where dodgy headers
If I could go back in time I would certainly go for 450bhp+ - would just do it cheaper and differently
I definitely don’t think I would personally be happy with 400/400. And on a non-classic I’d need to add at least 10% to my current figure given the extra weight the newer cars carry – mine ways circa 1250kg compared to the WRX04 which is over 1400kg’s
ps -i dont consider mine to be a big power scoob, not in relation to the amount of people that have more powerful scoobs, in the olden days yes - I had 360bhp for quite a long time and that was fine - but these days its getting very common to have over 450bhp
I've had my car since new in 1999 and have gradually modded (with over 25 mapping sessions I reckon) and made a lot of stupid mistakes - not taking appropriate advise and listening to the wrong people - hey ho. I was going to go down the route of bigger engine, rotated turbo, etc but I saw sense and realised the huge issue of diminishing returns
I guess because I ran the car so long at 400bhp-420bhp region I was overjoyed when I moved over 450bhp with the right turbo. I certainly wouldnt want less than I have (currently 480bhp depending on day to day variation in results at G Force).
For the first time in a while I scared myself when I realised that I was going way too fast into a bend at night-time and only just managed to slow down in time - I would say for me about 500bhp is about the limit that I would like for outright acceleration and drivability (only a little more than I have now and realistically achievable with a higher methanol mix if I can be bothered to get it done and mapped - some day....)
I have what I would say is very little, or manageable lag - compared to the wrx04 my wife says the sti5 is less laggy for her to drive - which says something
Mines never really had any issues, except cracking the cylinder heads running too high boost levels - engine rebuild job - but no big deal, oh and a number of duff Turbo's
I dont have any issues with the gearbox and the AP organic seems to have held up very well indeed, only real painful issues where dodgy headers
If I could go back in time I would certainly go for 450bhp+ - would just do it cheaper and differently
I definitely don’t think I would personally be happy with 400/400. And on a non-classic I’d need to add at least 10% to my current figure given the extra weight the newer cars carry – mine ways circa 1250kg compared to the WRX04 which is over 1400kg’s
ps -i dont consider mine to be a big power scoob, not in relation to the amount of people that have more powerful scoobs, in the olden days yes - I had 360bhp for quite a long time and that was fine - but these days its getting very common to have over 450bhp
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Hopefully picking up my RCMS / Bob Rawle methanol injected bugeye this week
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MPG...What's that lol...
Millimeters per mile is more like it...I get about 150 miles out of a fuel tank, running toluene and V max...that's 50/50 boot/drive normal, well more like 60/40!
Millimeters per mile is more like it...I get about 150 miles out of a fuel tank, running toluene and V max...that's 50/50 boot/drive normal, well more like 60/40!