hoskib

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i live 15 mins away from brands hatch and while i'm not prepared to race my standard sti around after you, i'll be well happy to take the passenger seat and report back how quick your car is

or post up some lap times for scooby owners to compare to

i've nothing but respect for people who plough money into modding cars (whatever they might be) and you've certainly put some £££ into yours.

as for people pulling him up for spelling,FFS guys

Bat-Fink

A good response there.


TBH he wasn't going on about 'twisties'.

He just asked what they were like in a straightline,and how much power they have.

Stu.H

Had some ******** the other week, was behind me on a normal 30mph road, saw my plate (looks like BIG TRB) came up my ****, then I floored it a bit (traffic) a passer by looked over because of the volume of chatter it made, then this KNOBBER floors it (didnt see him for a few seconds tho pmsl) and went past me and 4 other cars nearly into the side of a van...

Subapoo drivers dont race, no....

Bat-Fink

Get good and bad in all cars mate.

wildheart

I best not mention on this thread about my trackday at dodnington last sunday where i pushed a wrx around to the point of him being all over the place on corners in my fiesta rs1800 (tired engine,cheap suspension thats starting to leak and massive 140mm brakes) lol.



no doubt most wont see the funny side of a fiesta pushing a scoob around a track!
and i have it all on video to show how much he was trying to lose me lol.



Still wouldnt mind a P1 myself as an everyday car myself though.

Simply Reg

There's a hell of a lot of *****-waving going on in this thread.

jjcodex

Just to put a different perspective on this.

I was driving between jobs the other day in my car (wont say at this point what it was - why open myself to unnecessary and unresearched critisism?), when some absolute *** head turns up in my mirror. All over the back of me trying to engage me in a race. Didnt mind that, jsut the manouvres he pulled to get to my tail to start were nothing short of suicidal.

Tinted windows - stickers on every panel, idiotic exhaust (4" at least), 'trevved up alloys, and moronic 'do-nothing' spoilers.

We had a quick play, and I kicked his **** all over the place. To be honest, I even let him overtake me for a bit to see what he was capable of.... I even felt sorry for him when his engine let go as I overtook him

And what car was this piece of engineering idiocy? Nothing less than a Subaru WRX.

Now I am sure that he spent all his money on his idiotic spoilers, wheels and glass, but the moral of the storey is it doesnt matter what you drive, it isnt a licence for the sort of arrogance that has been found on this post.

To one man, a Subaru is a really fast car. To the next it is an irritating little saloon car. It is all about perspective.

The guy was not aggressive with his post, he was just trying to compare notes. Look down your nose all you want. Just know that scooby owners are waaaay down there with RST owners etc, so you aint looking down from that high.

Simply Reg

I'm sorry, but that's utter rubbish; the information concerning the power of a standard P1 is a matter of record and can be easily accessed over the internet. What this bloke did was to come on this site as an interloper and proceed to state "your cars ain't all that".

jjcodex

Depends how you read it. I am a member of both sites. If I wanted info on a subaru, I would have posted it here, guessing that people would know.

Yes, he was clearly pleased with himself for giving one a run. One would have expected you lot to be pleased to be considered a benchmark!

I have really good friends with Scoobies, and they would have kept aloof from the crap on this thread.

I would have understood if the P1 really was a 'supercar' as quoted elsewhere on this thread.

My issue was the utter disbelief that anything as sacred as an impreza could be bested by anything else! It is so depressing.

banny sti

iTrader: (68)

It is in the context that the post was written, that is what annoyed most people.
Quite simply put, the guy could have come on and stated that he has a modified series 1 escort and it out dragged a standard P1.
The gone on to ask what the stats are for a standard P1, he would have not got the flaming that he has!

Banny

jjcodex

I think that this would absolutely depend on who saw the post first. There are two disctinct types of Subaru owners in my experience, those that understand that their cars are not necessarily the best thing in the whole world ever, and the rest.

If the sensible real worlders had got on even this thread first, it may have followed a different line.

My issue is with the continued abuse and arrogance that ensued on the other six pages!

I would say that this is absolutey NOT aimed at all people on this site, just those few.

jjcodex

To be fair, I have re-read the posts near the beginning of the thread, and I must say it was a little inflammitory to be fair, but the response was still massively out of proportion.

The P1 is a supercar in a straight line? Just who do these people think they are kidding?

Stu.H

The info for a standard p1 is probably readily available, but as we all know, the stated figures for a car are far from the real world figures.

Ive always been into RS's, never seen a subaru that floats my boat in any way shape or form, and i hate them for looks as well.

To put that into context, even if it had a YB lump I wouldnt want to own it.

They are probably very good (drove one head to head with an evo at a rally day and the evo won hands down) but its not a car I would buy

The cossies are old, but they are still the forefront of engineering and management. Shamely not the chassis and handling

After owning both a modified sapphire and a s2 ive decided on the s2 as the "shape" to have, and have since applied 350bhp+ to the chassis

I would still have an escos anyday, and thats my next car, unfortunately a scooby is nowhere near.

CheeRS

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

Fine, that is your opinion. But I think most people on here (A SUBARU FORUM!)
will see it a little differently!

Simply Reg

Enjoy your car, then.

jjcodex

I personally think that the impreza can be a very good car, and for what its worth, I am aware of the areas that it is superior to the majority of fast fords.

What annoys me is that the Subaru chaps on this forum seem ill equipped with the idea that any car can be better than a Scoob!

Lets be honest, the majority of Scoobs in standard form just like all fast fords, mitsys and everything else that fits the 'road going version of rally car' genre are not that special.

It is the effort of the individuals that makes the individual cars, be it subaru, or god forbid any other car.

If it makes you feel any better, I feel the same way about simple and closed minded behaviour on the ford site as well!

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Interesting that there are a lot of newbies on here saying Subaru's aint that quick etc...

jjcodex

Subarus are quick comapred to what though - and this is the poitn.

How do you fancy your chances in your standard impreza against a 997 turbo? I know where my money is

Just one example

Simply Reg

Look, go back to your forum and enjoy your cars. We don't share your passion, we prefer our marque. And a 997 turbo, as you are no doubt well aware, is not a fair comparison - you can buy five (six?) P1s for the price of a decent secondhand 997 turbo. Like for like, my friend. Many of us are not very well off and we buy the vehicle that we can afford that supplies the thrills we hanker after.


Seeya, wouldn'twannabeya.

Goon

Didn't the P1 get supercar status because of the 0-60 being under 5 seconds?

I remember reading about the noise emission problems that Prodrive were having with the exhaust, it had to break 5 seconds to 60 in order to qualify for the extra couple of decibels that supercars get?

jjcodex

Is that all it takes these days? I have to say, given the volume of cars that can achieve this, it may be time to move the goalposts.

No dig intended on Subarus, just that I consider cars such as RS4 Audis to be quick cars etc, but not supercars!

I am not aware of any more flexible noise restrictions for supercars - though I have never researched this so am prepared to be proved wrong.

JJ

jjcodex

Firstly, judging by the dates of first joining, I would note that I have been a member of this forum for over a year longer than you! Just a point of notice

You seem to have judged what my passions are incorrectly! My passion is tuned cars, and those that spend time and effort to get the best out of them, including the Scoobys.

Second - I see in your 'subaru world' that the statement that 'unqualified subarus are the best things since slice bread' does after all have qualifications!!!! This was EXACTLY my point. Yes the 997 costs lots and lots, and I like you cant afford a 997 turbo just yet, but it is still faster better etc. Unlike you, I dont look down my nose at any other option that other people choose as the stop gap until I can!

You have wrongly assumed that I dont like subarus. I wouldnt be here if I didnt. What I hate is the arrogance that Subarus are better than everything else, when they are just not!

I thought I had made this point! Most of the types of cars can be made to be very good given adequate budget.

Simply Reg

You need to stop trolling now and go away.

My sober, subaru shopping car performs better than some Ferraris did in previous years. And there are VERY few cars even now that break six seconds in standard form, let alone five, particularly based upon volume of sales.

jjcodex

'trolling'?

I give up !

Subarus are great. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing is better

Live in your world. You are welcome to it!

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

You've done it now fella, it's bloody pointless posting any more replies here as you & your cronies are just winding us up (ahem, wakes up & smells the coffee) ... no more posts from me & please just **** off back to Fast Ford or whatever it's called.



TX.

Simply Reg

Now who's being a "sweaty betty"?
You've stepped in, articulately I might add, to support the starter of this thread, but you needn't have bothered. I hate all that "my car's faster" crap, and that's what the thread starter was intimating. Lots of cars are better, but how many cars are on the schoolboy's list of attainable fast cars? Fords will be WELL down the list.

jjcodex

edited !!! Ooops - got the wrong tense below!!)

Now this I do agree with, in particujlar the last part - Fords are definately ordinary to begin with. I would even go as far as to say that the scooby is a faarrr better car than the equiv ford of its time.

I have had a ford for 10 years (and still have one), and it was a scooby that tempted me! I would also add that from my point of view, some of the best mods that I have done to my ford of later years have been borrowed from technology developed in the jap tuning car world.

In the end I went for an M5, which is unquestionably slower than most scoobies at low down accel.

Sorry if I get carried away, it just riles me up when people get soo judgmental.

Topbombingkid

JJCODEX; agree with you all the way.

Scooby are not that fast and niether are fords untill you begin to tune them, just about any car has the potential to become a Fast car it just takes time/money ect.

As for attitudes most of the replies ive read here from scooby owners are just childish so that gives an idea of how they drive on the road really. I just gave up after 2 pages because of the amount of ****e that was been typed but unfortunatly this behaviour happens on all car sites so really both sides are just as bad as each other IMO.

P.s i own a scoob.

andythejock01wrx

#Errrrm - he doesn't have a std Impreza !!

This thread's getting a bit silly ! Lot's of oddly new Snet members coming on and slagging off the attitude of SNnet members !

Fast cars are cool. Full stop. Even better if an ordinary bloke can afford them !!

Marky9074

Yeah we are not fooling anyone now are we? We both know that for each 'reliable' RSTurbo there were probably three blown to bits. This is not a specific dig at RSTurbos just a fact of the technology at the time (wind the boost up hope it hangs on...)

I appreciate this is different for 'proper' big BHP RSTurbos, but we are talking different eras. If I were to do it all now I would assume that it 'would' be more reliable as surely the technology has moved on! As someone just posted, he credits the advances in Jap technology for his modifications......(that is in no way me specifically endorsing jap products, just a reference!)

Also from experience I can say that usually the Ford is tuned to within an inch of its life, and you are waiting for the inevitable to happen. In a scoob that is not normally the case (though as has been mentioned the noobs with ten year old WRX's are an exception....) Also it has always been inherantly cheaper to rebuild a CVH than a boxer, which is why I guess everyone was not so concerned about when rather than if it went bang.

I've done my time in a series 1, series 2 and RS2000, so I think I have a good insight into Fast Ford reliability.....

Like the other thread BTW very entertaining! Almost as much bitching in the ranks as there is on here.

I still think it's criminal to deface such a rare classic example of the car. JMHO though. If I come accross a decent series 1, I would probably buy it and spend 10k restoring it, not stripping every piece of heritage to the RS name. Very sad, (not for the person)...for the car!

Another one lost, so to speak.....