P1 scoobys?
22 October 2006, 04:17 AM
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Didn't the P1 get supercar status because of the 0-60 being under 5 seconds?
I remember reading about the noise emission problems that Prodrive were having with the exhaust, it had to break 5 seconds to 60 in order to qualify for the extra couple of decibels that supercars get?
I remember reading about the noise emission problems that Prodrive were having with the exhaust, it had to break 5 seconds to 60 in order to qualify for the extra couple of decibels that supercars get?
Is that all it takes these days? I have to say, given the volume of cars that can achieve this, it may be time to move the goalposts.
No dig intended on Subarus, just that I consider cars such as RS4 Audis to be quick cars etc, but not supercars!
I am not aware of any more flexible noise restrictions for supercars - though I have never researched this so am prepared to be proved wrong.
No dig intended on Subarus, just that I consider cars such as RS4 Audis to be quick cars etc, but not supercars!
I am not aware of any more flexible noise restrictions for supercars - though I have never researched this so am prepared to be proved wrong.
See now you have taken it out of context havent you? When it could have been just a workaround for the exhaust.
After all, its already been pointed out that at STANDARD a car with a 0-60 of less than 5 seconds is quick. So what do we want to call these cars if you dont like them being called 'supercars'.
I'm waiting for someone to post on an RS4 forum now, and watch them get an **** raping!
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22 October 2006, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by madbint68
well if you have a RS turbo .. just rem m8 .. it will allways be just a FORD !!
i mean come on how many real special editions did they make? the p1 and 22b?
how many did ford make?
oh and i do like scoobys
i fancy a 22b or a p1 the rest are ****e
22 October 2006, 09:12 AM
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How many did Ford make? You mean proper worthy special editions? Hmmm....
RS Mexico, RS 2000, RS200, RS500.....
.....and maybe RS1600i
maybe.....
And these are spanned over MKI, MKII, MKIII.... with a sierra and RS200...
If you compare say a MKIV Escort against an impreza classic, which roughly had more or less the same product lifetime, there were no limited edition fords in that period, whereas there was quite a number of impreza's....
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RS Mexico, RS 2000, RS200, RS500.....
.....and maybe RS1600i
maybe.....
And these are spanned over MKI, MKII, MKIII.... with a sierra and RS200...
If you compare say a MKIV Escort against an impreza classic, which roughly had more or less the same product lifetime, there were no limited edition fords in that period, whereas there was quite a number of impreza's....
Subaru Impreza FAQ
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22 October 2006, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Marky9074
Yes, this is true, there is (was?) exhaust regulations, and classing the car as a supercar allowed an increase of 1 or 2dB IIRC.
See now you have taken it out of context havent you? When it could have been just a workaround for the exhaust.
After all, its already been pointed out that at STANDARD a car with a 0-60 of less than 5 seconds is quick. So what do we want to call these cars if you dont like them being called 'supercars'.
I'm waiting for someone to post on an RS4 forum now, and watch them get an **** raping!
Mark
See now you have taken it out of context havent you? When it could have been just a workaround for the exhaust.
After all, its already been pointed out that at STANDARD a car with a 0-60 of less than 5 seconds is quick. So what do we want to call these cars if you dont like them being called 'supercars'.
I'm waiting for someone to post on an RS4 forum now, and watch them get an **** raping!
Mark
Before I do though, you insinuate that I have taken the 'P1 is a supercar' out of context. If so, you are implying that the noise restrictions were relevant to the conversation. I think not. You know as well as I do that the comment was saying in simple terms "how on earth could you possibly expect a mere Ford to compete with the mighty P1? It is a super car, dont you know!"
So, in one last ditch attempt to summarise why I felt the need to 'wade in';
1. I have no problem with any kind of Suabaru impreza. They are great cars, though lets be completely honest, they have the same reputation stigma as most fast fords. If you dont believe me, dont take my word for it, talk to people that dont own either car. You may be surprised if you werent already aware of this.
2. Given the above, it is most depressing when people are happy to rip the **** out of those that dare to try to best such a car. It is possible, it will happen, a lot. this is a tuning car forum. The other forum is a tuning car forum. When cars get tuned, you can throw away the book that tells you what goes faster than what.
3. There was no dig at the RS4, it is an astonishing car. I was merely using it to make my point. How can you have a four door estate supercar?! Re-read my thread.
4. The ONLY thing I was trying to get across was that if these that were so prepared to take the mickey out of the original poster were put into the same context, they wouldnt like it very much. A point that I feel I have adequately made. One mans hero is another mans villain etc etc and all that.
As above and on my previous posts, I am a big fan of Subarus. If you read carefully my other posts, you will see that most of my critism is directed at certain owner types, and others that are rather mis-guided in their preferred tuning options (eg the chavs!!! yes, you have them too!).
In a nutshell, I am just very dissapointed that the scooby owners that have made the comments couldnt find themselves rising above the bait, and perhaps engaging in civil communication!
I will stay firmly out of this from now on.
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22 October 2006, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Marky9074
Yes, this is true, there is (was?) exhaust regulations, and classing the car as a supercar allowed an increase of 1 or 2dB IIRC.
See now you have taken it out of context havent you? When it could have been just a workaround for the exhaust.
After all, its already been pointed out that at STANDARD a car with a 0-60 of less than 5 seconds is quick. So what do we want to call these cars if you dont like them being called 'supercars'.
I'm waiting for someone to post on an RS4 forum now, and watch them get an **** raping!
Mark
See now you have taken it out of context havent you? When it could have been just a workaround for the exhaust.
After all, its already been pointed out that at STANDARD a car with a 0-60 of less than 5 seconds is quick. So what do we want to call these cars if you dont like them being called 'supercars'.
I'm waiting for someone to post on an RS4 forum now, and watch them get an **** raping!
Mark
Before I do though, you insinuate that I have taken the 'P1 is a supercar' out of context. If so, you are implying that the noise restrictions were relevant to the conversation. I think not. You know as well as I do that the comment was saying in simple terms "how on earth could you possibly expect a mere Ford to compete with the mighty P1? It is a super car, dont you know!"
So, in one last ditch attempt to summarise why I felt the need to 'wade in';
1. I have no problem with any kind of Suabaru impreza. They are great cars, though lets be completely honest, they have the same reputation stigma as most fast fords. If you dont believe me, dont take my word for it, talk to people that dont own either car. You may be surprised if you werent already aware of this.
2. Given the above, it is most depressing when people are happy to rip the **** out of those that dare to try to best such a car. It is possible, it will happen, a lot. this is a tuning car forum. The other forum is a tuning car forum. When cars get tuned, you can throw away the book that tells you what goes faster than what.
3. There was no dig at the RS4, it is an astonishing car. I was merely using it to make my point. How can you have a four door estate supercar?! Re-read my thread.
4. The ONLY thing I was trying to get across was that if these that were so prepared to take the mickey out of the original poster were put into the same context, they wouldnt like it very much. A point that I feel I have adequately made. One mans hero is another mans villain etc etc and all that.
As above and on my previous posts, I am a big fan of Subarus. If you read carefully my other posts, you will see that most of my critism is directed at certain owner types, and others that are rather mis-guided in their preferred tuning options (eg the chavs!!! yes, you have them too!).
In a nutshell, I am just very dissapointed that the scooby owners that have made the comments couldnt find themselves rising above the bait, and perhaps engaging in civil communication!
I will stay firmly out of this from now on.
JJ
22 October 2006, 11:05 AM
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Im not prepared to 'race
' you any where other than on a circuit. But if you want to put it into perspective come and sit in the passenger seat of My P1 (which has had a lot less spent on it than your car) and then tell me its slow.
As standard you are looking at 4.6 ish 0-60 (if you are harsh), 155 mph tops (although people have had them over this on GPS), 1280 KGs. I would think you would be quicker than a standard one in a straight line, but down a country road or a race track you would have a big struggle.
Nice looking car BTW!
' you any where other than on a circuit. But if you want to put it into perspective come and sit in the passenger seat of My P1 (which has had a lot less spent on it than your car) and then tell me its slow.As standard you are looking at 4.6 ish 0-60 (if you are harsh), 155 mph tops (although people have had them over this on GPS), 1280 KGs. I would think you would be quicker than a standard one in a straight line, but down a country road or a race track you would have a big struggle.
Nice looking car BTW!
22 October 2006, 12:04 PM
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hi, my last car was an RS turbo, afew of you might know the car from passionford, i was on there as BODGE, anyway mine was kicking out over 250bhp and was a bloody fun car, never like's scoobs at all, untill one day a m8 of mine let me have a go in his standard P1, which he was selling lol, put my RS up for sale that night, got the P1 and have never looked back 
i was set on an escort cozzy, but for a good big turbo car with low miles last year i was looking at 16k-18k, i got the P1 for much less than this and imo is VFM
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i was set on an escort cozzy, but for a good big turbo car with low miles last year i was looking at 16k-18k, i got the P1 for much less than this and imo is VFM
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22 October 2006, 12:30 PM
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This really is getting a bit silly now. You're trying to sell tanning sessions to a black man! 
If we all owned and drove rs turbos, we'd be on the rs forum.
Why do you think Subaru Impreza's were so impressive when they first came out?? Because it was a £20K car that COULD keep with performance cars costing 5 times that! And in STANDARD FORM!
I can't quite see where the 'bragging rights' are, when you have to spend £15K+ on a ford escort, to be quicker than an Impreza.
We spend bugger all, and can keep up with M3's, Ferrari's, Porsches etc etc. I'm sure if you spend £15K modding my fiancee's Micra, it would give my Impreza a run for its money (in a straight line). 
Really struggling to see the point of all these 'anti-impreza' comments. What kind of response do you think an Impreza owner would get if they posted a similar thread on the RS forum? 'My Impreza abliterated an rs turbo! Thought these were supposed to be fast?'
It is also funny how Ford driver's brag about keeping up with Impreza's, where as Impreza driver's brag about keeping up with Ferrari 360's.
We're not all 'up our own backsides', we are just very passionate about the Subaru brand, just as you are about Ford.
Everyone has a different set of finger-prints! Thank God.
If we all owned and drove rs turbos, we'd be on the rs forum.
Why do you think Subaru Impreza's were so impressive when they first came out?? Because it was a £20K car that COULD keep with performance cars costing 5 times that! And in STANDARD FORM!
I can't quite see where the 'bragging rights' are, when you have to spend £15K+ on a ford escort, to be quicker than an Impreza.
We spend bugger all, and can keep up with M3's, Ferrari's, Porsches etc etc. I'm sure if you spend £15K modding my fiancee's Micra, it would give my Impreza a run for its money (in a straight line). Really struggling to see the point of all these 'anti-impreza' comments. What kind of response do you think an Impreza owner would get if they posted a similar thread on the RS forum? 'My Impreza abliterated an rs turbo! Thought these were supposed to be fast?'
It is also funny how Ford driver's brag about keeping up with Impreza's, where as Impreza driver's brag about keeping up with Ferrari 360's.
We're not all 'up our own backsides', we are just very passionate about the Subaru brand, just as you are about Ford.
Everyone has a different set of finger-prints! Thank God.
22 October 2006, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by madbint68
well if you have a RS turbo .. just rem m8 .. it will allways be just a FORD !!
My car has had probably 10k spent on it and it only produces 320 Hp but it's useable hp, i could put a bigger turbo on a get 400 + hp but i fear it wont be as "useable" would be good for straight line speed though
22 October 2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jjcodex
There was no dig at the RS4, it is an astonishing car. I was merely using it to make my point. How can you have a four door estate supercar?! Re-read my thread.
I dont need to re-read your thread!
22 October 2006, 02:31 PM
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Prior to the P1 I had a TVR Cerbera, which I don't think anyone will argue is not a vary fast car in a straight line, but in the real world the my P1 even when standard is simply a faster car on normal roads because it's so much more useable. My mate has a Audi RS6 which is amazingly fast considering it's size and weight and in a straight line my 320bhp P1 struggles to keep with him, the RS6 will pull to 180+ very easily, but on a real road with twists and bends it's a different story the cars are very evenly matched and I'm now looking at more power and better brakes to enhance the abilities of the P1.
That RS might be very fast in a straight line but I'm sorry but there is now way the RS would keep up on normal roads and every straight road runs out eventually and becomes a bend or roundabout etc
That RS might be very fast in a straight line but I'm sorry but there is now way the RS would keep up on normal roads and every straight road runs out eventually and becomes a bend or roundabout etc
22 October 2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RETRO_AL
im looking forward to playing with you jap boys on the tracks next year
its just a ford tho,so you will be ok hope it dont rain
its just a ford tho,so you will be ok
hope it dont rain
22 October 2006, 03:22 PM
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In the end of the day,had Essexrs come on here starting a post with,i have a heavily modified RS and had a nice duel with a P1 and beat him quite easily,what kind of power are they running?....then i think he would of got a better response from peeps on here
But he obviously left out certain bits to get a reaction...which he got
If we alll threw 15k at our cars then we all know how a duel would end versus the rs..
But fair play to him,nice looking car and its quick now....unlike what the rs is when its standard
Even the new shape heavy old minis are quite easily beating the RS now....
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But he obviously left out certain bits to get a reaction...which he got
If we alll threw 15k at our cars then we all know how a duel would end versus the rs..
But fair play to him,nice looking car and its quick now....unlike what the rs is when its standard
Even the new shape heavy old minis are quite easily beating the RS now....
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22 October 2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RETRO_AL
im looking forward to playing with you jap boys on the tracks next year
its just a ford tho,so you will be ok hope it dont rain
its just a ford tho,so you will be ok
hope it dont rain worthy of my respect anyway
22 October 2006, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RETRO_AL
just a ford?,at least it will be worth good money 20+ years on, unlike most scoobys as they are worth next to nothing
i mean come on how many real special editions did they make? the p1 and 22b?
how many did ford make?
oh and i do like scoobys i fancy a 22b or a p1 the rest are ****e
i mean come on how many real special editions did they make? the p1 and 22b?
how many did ford make?
oh and i do like scoobys
i fancy a 22b or a p1 the rest are ****e
22 October 2006, 04:25 PM
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Or any standard Impreza turbo for that matter.
Oh, don't you just love a good old 'my ***** is bigger than yours' debate!
Oh, don't you just love a good old 'my ***** is bigger than yours' debate!
22 October 2006, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marky9074
Yeah we are not fooling anyone now are we? We both know that for each 'reliable' RSTurbo there were probably three blown to bits. This is not a specific dig at RSTurbos just a fact of the technology at the time (wind the boost up hope it hangs on...)
I appreciate this is different for 'proper' big BHP RSTurbos, but we are talking different eras. If I were to do it all now I would assume that it 'would' be more reliable as surely the technology has moved on! As someone just posted, he credits the advances in Jap technology for his modifications......(that is in no way me specifically endorsing jap products, just a reference!)
Also from experience I can say that usually the Ford is tuned to within an inch of its life, and you are waiting for the inevitable to happen. In a scoob that is not normally the case (though as has been mentioned the noobs with ten year old WRX's are an exception....) Also it has always been inherantly cheaper to rebuild a CVH than a boxer, which is why I guess everyone was not so concerned about when rather than if it went bang.
I've done my time in a series 1, series 2 and RS2000, so I think I have a good insight into Fast Ford reliability.....
Like the other thread BTW very entertaining! Almost as much bitching in the ranks as there is on here.
I still think it's criminal to deface such a rare classic example of the car. JMHO though. If I come accross a decent series 1, I would probably buy it and spend 10k restoring it, not stripping every piece of heritage to the RS name. Very sad, (not for the person)...for the car!
Another one lost, so to speak.....
I appreciate this is different for 'proper' big BHP RSTurbos, but we are talking different eras. If I were to do it all now I would assume that it 'would' be more reliable as surely the technology has moved on! As someone just posted, he credits the advances in Jap technology for his modifications......(that is in no way me specifically endorsing jap products, just a reference!)
Also from experience I can say that usually the Ford is tuned to within an inch of its life, and you are waiting for the inevitable to happen. In a scoob that is not normally the case (though as has been mentioned the noobs with ten year old WRX's are an exception....) Also it has always been inherantly cheaper to rebuild a CVH than a boxer, which is why I guess everyone was not so concerned about when rather than if it went bang.
I've done my time in a series 1, series 2 and RS2000, so I think I have a good insight into Fast Ford reliability.....
Like the other thread BTW very entertaining! Almost as much bitching in the ranks as there is on here.
I still think it's criminal to deface such a rare classic example of the car. JMHO though. If I come accross a decent series 1, I would probably buy it and spend 10k restoring it, not stripping every piece of heritage to the RS name. Very sad, (not for the person)...for the car!
Another one lost, so to speak.....
Tuned bigh bhp rs turbo's are very often very reliable,it comes down to how well maintained,tuned etc they are.
I did a trackday at donington last week and there was several big bhp rs turbo's on track aswell as a 600+bhp cosworth and these all held together.
The only 2 cars that died that day was both scooby's,does that mean all scoobs are unreliable as rst's? answer is no,imo theres good and bad in all.
Im not slagging of scoobs as a whole either,as said ealier i have thought about getting a P1 or typre ra as an everyday car but to be honest the image that comes with owning one isnt somthing i want to be asociated with.
Until i find something else im happy with i'll stick with going everywhere in my Volvo 850R wich is the car i prefer using everyday over anything else i own/have driven.
22 October 2006, 07:56 PM
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calm down, calm down.
Right, i used to own a famous rather powerfull RS Turbo (if ya dont believe me check Oct 2004 issue of Performance Ford) This car was rapid and used to blow away a few Scoobies from time to time. I still went out and bought my first scooby because i like em too.Both are nice cars and i have respect for both Fords and Subarus. I think a few of us need to grow up and appreciate all cars not just what we own.....
Right, i used to own a famous rather powerfull RS Turbo (if ya dont believe me check Oct 2004 issue of Performance Ford) This car was rapid and used to blow away a few Scoobies from time to time. I still went out and bought my first scooby because i like em too.Both are nice cars and i have respect for both Fords and Subarus. I think a few of us need to grow up and appreciate all cars not just what we own.....
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Originally Posted by B4D HK
calm down, calm down.
Right, i used to own a famous rather powerfull RS Turbo (if ya dont believe me check Oct 2004 issue of Performance Ford) This car was rapid and used to blow away a few Scoobies from time to time. I still went out and bought my first scooby because i like em too.Both are nice cars and i have respect for both Fords and Subarus. I think a few of us need to grow up and appreciate all cars not just what we own.....
Right, i used to own a famous rather powerfull RS Turbo (if ya dont believe me check Oct 2004 issue of Performance Ford) This car was rapid and used to blow away a few Scoobies from time to time. I still went out and bought my first scooby because i like em too.Both are nice cars and i have respect for both Fords and Subarus. I think a few of us need to grow up and appreciate all cars not just what we own.....
I think you have missed the point. There are obviously modded RS turbos that can outrun Scoobys in a straight line. The problem with the original poster was his attitutde - he came accross like a complete tit.
22 October 2006, 11:26 PM
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Saw the car in question at the dick turpin. Was with a white s1 turbo that looked very similar. My brother also saw the guy get punched at basildon mcdonalds in the queue for the drive through.
Nice car though, always like the series 1 turbos. However I do agree the first post was obviously trying to wind people up.
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Nice car though, always like the series 1 turbos. However I do agree the first post was obviously trying to wind people up.
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Well, If the replies in this forum are anything to go by, it goes to show what a complete bunch of tosser's Scooby owners really are! Is it something you get when you buy a chocolate pistoned jap car, or is it instilled gradually into all new owners?
Just a thought, but aren't scooby's becoming a bit too common these days? And you rip the **** out of us RS Escort owners? At least our cars are appreciating in value.
As for us invading YOUR forum, feel free to come into any of our forums.
See you later, suckers!
Just a thought, but aren't scooby's becoming a bit too common these days? And you rip the **** out of us RS Escort owners? At least our cars are appreciating in value.
As for us invading YOUR forum, feel free to come into any of our forums.
See you later, suckers!
22 October 2006, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KregTurbo
Well, If the replies in this forum are anything to go by, it goes to show what a complete bunch of tosser's Scooby owners really are! Is it something you get when you buy a chocolate pistoned jap car, or is it instilled gradually into all new owners?
Just a thought, but aren't scooby's becoming a bit too common these days? And you rip the **** out of us RS Escort owners? At least our cars are appreciating in value.
As for us invading YOUR forum, feel free to come into any of our forums.
See you later, suckers!
Just a thought, but aren't scooby's becoming a bit too common these days? And you rip the **** out of us RS Escort owners? At least our cars are appreciating in value.
As for us invading YOUR forum, feel free to come into any of our forums.
See you later, suckers!
22 October 2006, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KregTurbo
Well, If the replies in this forum are anything to go by, it goes to show what a complete bunch of tosser's Scooby owners really are! Is it something you get when you buy a chocolate pistoned jap car, or is it instilled gradually into all new owners?
Just a thought, but aren't scooby's becoming a bit too common these days? And you rip the **** out of us RS Escort owners? At least our cars are appreciating in value.
As for us invading YOUR forum, feel free to come into any of our forums.
See you later, suckers!
Just a thought, but aren't scooby's becoming a bit too common these days? And you rip the **** out of us RS Escort owners? At least our cars are appreciating in value.
As for us invading YOUR forum, feel free to come into any of our forums.
See you later, suckers!
