DCI Gene Hunt

DCI-pedalo............. No 7.........

GaryCat

This kind of line is often quoted and it only goes to show that it is weak, needy, helpless, vunerable people who seek God as a last resort.

Does this mean that those who seek God everyday are weak, helpless and vunerable? If so, I'm glad I'm not one of them.


BTW I apoligise to Mick for calling him mad and stupid (The stella artios took control of my keyboard) Those terms are insulting and I should not have used them on a public forum or otherwise.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Yeuuw!

DCI Gene Hunt

Don't knock it till you've......... no wait a minute, double Yeuuw!

lozgti

Don't think you see any of those kind of people following any faith.Quite the opposite I'd say.

The Queen still looks chipper/non needy/not too helpless/fairly strong apart from her hip.She doesn't strike me as a mad old bat either.Why won't she say'Lets call it all a day,we must be mad?'

I still reckon the God followers are far more chilled out than the scientists,desperate to show how wrong they all must be.

Leslie

Jasey,

When my mother was buried a short while ago, the vast number of people there turned up because of respect for her outstanding character and because they were all genuinely sorry because she had died.

Les

Geezer

Well, you will never know the Queens beliefs. She obviously has a sense of duty, and that may well extend to putting on a show as she is not only head of the State, but head of the Church.

She probably is a believer, and she certainly isn't needy, but she can still be wrong.

Plenty of very intelligent people in Germany in the 1930s believed lot's of things that were wrong............

Indoctrination is a powerful thing. Why do you think churches are soo keen to get people when they are young? It's hard to throw away a lifetime of belief, no matter how intelligent you are. Even Einstein wasn't right in everything he said, and he held onto those beliefs until the day he died.

Most 'God followers' are as chilled out as atheists? Maybe. However, atheists are unhindered by thoughts of retribution for not following 'the word', so they probably have a more chilled existence. If those thoughts do not bother you, then you don't truly believe anyway.

Atheists are not desperate to prove anything, they just just ask questions of theists, but never get a proper answer. So we ask again. I suppose we know know we will never get a decent answer, but it's interesting to see some of the replies.

Geezer

bugsti

Thats what I respect - someone with the courage of thier convictions.

I hope I wasn't misunderstood. What I am trying to say is - athiests should have nothing whatsoever with any religious ceremony!

DCI Gene Hunt

Well said...............

GaryCat

I very much doubt that... what about Catholics who spend the entire lives with a sense of guilt for what sins they have commited.

And how chilled out is the average Muslim with paranoid scrutiny watching their every move?

How chilled are Israelis living next door to the (chilled?) palestinians.

Atheist scientists have nothing to prove - it is impossible to prove the non-existence of something so why try? All they can do is sum up the weight of evidence against God's existence and show how improbable it is. However theists do have the burden of proof on them if they want their beliefs to have any credibility

Leslie

Best you understand the religions that you quote GaryCat, before passing comment.

Quite right what you said Jasey, you must have been feeling like I did at the funeral.

Les

andythejock01wrx

Anyway Logti, never mind about us scientific lab rats jumping of a sinking ship, what about the Q re dinosaurs and the age of the Earth ?

lozgti

I am quite happy believing without going home to analyse why I shouldn't believe and working hard on explaining why a very old book is not wholly accurate and I wouldn't expect it to be.

For all the various holy books/different faiths thoughts on God I simply believe there is something far greater than just chemical reactions behind it.

Where did the chemical reactions come from? Who is ever going to present a sensible explanation for nothingness producing something.Even Hawkins keeps changing his mindIIRC

*still no one has given good reason why Christmas is 'celebrated' by non believers apart from 'it's nice to see the folks and have a beer'.

bugsti

Just a thought:

I may be wrong but were not Hitler and Stalin not Humanists?

If so, they did not do much for world peace.

jasey

Good enough for me.

As for Hitler & Stalin being humanists - George W Bush is a rabid Christian - he's about to take us into WW3 because God told him to .

Nutters can either have faith or not - it's not their faith / lack of it that makes them nutters .

jasey

Gordon Brown can produce taxes from nowhere and the money he raises seems to go nowhere too .

GaryCat

Hitler was a Christian - Hitler's Christianity

Stalin was most likely an atheist, certainly not a Humanist.

GaryCat

What am I failing to understand Leslie?

Dracoro

They were NOT humanists, hence their actions. Humanists do not kill people, you stop being a humanist if you kill someone.

They were, however, athiests I believe.

Geezer

That's a typically lazy way of thinking that theists do. Because we can't explain something, it must be Gods work. Well, history is repleat with discoveries that were previously mystifying to humans. Just because we don't know yet what caused the Universe to come into being, doesn't mean that we never will, nor does it it imply divine intervention.

Atheists celebrate 'christmas' because it is a very old festival for celebrating the return to lengthening days after the winter solstice. Even the Church admits that Jesus was born in september (supposedly), and it's quite clear that 25th December was adopted as an offical birthday to allow pagans to convert without giving up their old festivals. The 25th Dec is the birthday of Mithras.

All the symbology of Christmas is pagan. The only remotely christian thing about it is the birth day of Christ, and that is wrong!

You may want to look up the origins of Easter as well.

In fact, look up any facet of the story of Jesus and you will find it is stolen from earlier cults/religions/beliefs.

Geezer

___special_k___

If there is a god, there will be a scientific explanation for it....

lozgti

But what is wrong with acceptance?

Surely it is not lazy thinking if you are simply accepting what you believe is right.There is nothing else to do except maybe jog on the spot and look busy whilst believing

It seems to me that those that go to huge lengths to prove it can't be so (the non lazy ) are the ones searching for something or have a need to find something,not just a scientific hunt for the origins of time

If not,why don't they give the whole religion thing a wide berth ? Why is that Dawkins chap so ultra keen too? Does it matter.

Anyway,Christmas soon

___special_k___

Actually being an atheist and sceptic I used to be constantly hounded by believers in religion and the paranormal trying to tell me how they're uncle/grandma/cat saw/was healed by a spirit/guardian angel/god and how it must be true because their dog/neighbour saw it.

Now I just keep quiet.

Acutally Im not an atheist, I don't bother considering the question.

Geezer

That's not what you said originally. Everyone accepts what they believe to be right. Atheists can however, change that point of view as the scientific data changes and refines, unlike religous belief, which is bogged down and inflexible.

I think the reason people like Dawking are becoming more vocal is that the Church (and indeed most organised religions) are nasty institutions that have supressed human thinking for centuries, and it's time we broke free of them.

If people started to think how to solve the worlds problems, instead of telling us why we have them and how we face damnation, the world may actually become a better place......

Geezer

Leslie

GaryCat,

The Catholic religion has a system in which your sins can be forgiven and wiped off the slate.

In any case if I had committed a bad act, I would not need to be told to make me regret it in later life just out of common decency.

Les

andythejock01wrx

Is that really it ? Is that your answer to the the question relating to the fact the age of the Earth as calculated using the Bible would suggest that Dinosaurs and humans co-existed ??

Geezer

And that's what is so add about people who believe. They are either in denial, or actually realise that the questions they ask are unanswerable unless they are willing to admit what a load of tosh it all is, so they just give some half arsed answer and expect us to accept it.

Geezer

Dracoro

There's two questions I ask religious folks. I NEVER get a straight answer, always some evasive garbage or another question etc. NEVER a straight answer.

If god is Omnipotent...
Therefore, can he create a rock that is so heavy that he himself cannot lift?

If god is Omnipresent...
Therefore, does he exist and look over you in hell?

Leslie

If he is omnipotent he would not have to lift any rocks, he could raise them without all that old fashioned heaving etc.

He must exist if he is omnipotent and he might well pop in to have a bevy with Satan on a slow news day.

Les

Leslie

To the man with no bottle who posted the rep., you have a very poor perception.

Les