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17 November 2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
sorry to report but after nearly three years of working there, they do not operate like this in the slightest. i know of nobody who enjoys working there. and your talking 1000+ in all catagories. so im prepared for a fight as a sympathy plea would probably result in them blaming me for everything and me losing my job bar an appeal...
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ps Just read my post again, I am surprised you could make it out my spelling is shocking
17 November 2006, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WHEELSHOP0_0
Sorry to hear that Andy, sound like you are ready for round one.
ps Just read my post again, I am surprised you could make it out my spelling is shocking
ps Just read my post again, I am surprised you could make it out my spelling is shocking
17 November 2006, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
lol not too bad, at least your not one o the BRADFORD MASSIFF
Thanks I have been to Bradford, its
a nice place to leave
Sorry Bradford I am sure there are some nice parts.
17 November 2006, 04:36 PM
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Are you fit to return to work yet,what have you told your employer ie regarding when you are going back to work.
I've seen situations like this before and it takes time,dont expect a quick answer as to loss of earnings. Your best bet is to get better and get back to work. Are you in a union?
I've seen situations like this before and it takes time,dont expect a quick answer as to loss of earnings. Your best bet is to get better and get back to work. Are you in a union?
17 November 2006, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr
Are you fit to return to work yet,what have you told your employer ie regarding when you are going back to work.
I've seen situations like this before and it takes time,dont expect a quick answer as to loss of earnings. Your best bet is to get better and get back to work. Are you in a union?
I've seen situations like this before and it takes time,dont expect a quick answer as to loss of earnings. Your best bet is to get better and get back to work. Are you in a union?
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18 November 2006, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
I reccomend that whilst off work, you brush up on your health and safety by watching this video:
http://home.astrakan.hig.se/sax/rokk...hrer_klaus.wmv
It's in German, but you'll get the jiist of it, and you MUST watch at least 5mins before deciding to turn off - trust me
(btw this is an oldie, but I couldn't resist posting it
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http://home.astrakan.hig.se/sax/rokk...hrer_klaus.wmv
It's in German, but you'll get the jiist of it, and you MUST watch at least 5mins before deciding to turn off - trust me
(btw this is an oldie, but I couldn't resist posting it
) Yep, brushed up my German and it was unintentionally funny too !Particularly enjoyed the chap working on the back of the fork-lift only to suddenly find blood spurting from the stumps of his wrists - very "Hammer House of Horror" !!
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18 November 2006, 05:02 PM
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Andy,
Do you have a permanent contact ? How long have you been in the job ?
Anyway, as has been suggested, if your employers took matters further, any number of solicitors would love to act on your behalf (they'd also claim nice juicy fee from your empolyers !).
1) You'd have a decent chance of a claim for injury to your shoulder under Employers Liability Law. It's so strict that the employer almost has to prove they weren't at fault !
2) If they got shot of you they'd risk a claim for unfair dismissal.
Have my doubts they'll do anything, given the above.
cheers and good luck,
Andy Mc
Do you have a permanent contact ? How long have you been in the job ?
Anyway, as has been suggested, if your employers took matters further, any number of solicitors would love to act on your behalf (they'd also claim nice juicy fee from your empolyers !).
1) You'd have a decent chance of a claim for injury to your shoulder under Employers Liability Law. It's so strict that the employer almost has to prove they weren't at fault !
2) If they got shot of you they'd risk a claim for unfair dismissal.
Have my doubts they'll do anything, given the above.
cheers and good luck,
Andy Mc
18 November 2006, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
Andy,
Do you have a permanent contact ? How long have you been in the job ?
Anyway, as has been suggested, if your employers took matters further, any number of solicitors would love to act on your behalf (they'd also claim nice juicy fee from your empolyers !).
1) You'd have a decent chance of a claim for injury to your shoulder under Employers Liability Law. It's so strict that the employer almost has to prove they weren't at fault !
2) If they got shot of you they'd risk a claim for unfair dismissal.
Have my doubts they'll do anything, given the above.
cheers and good luck,
Andy Mc
Do you have a permanent contact ? How long have you been in the job ?
Anyway, as has been suggested, if your employers took matters further, any number of solicitors would love to act on your behalf (they'd also claim nice juicy fee from your empolyers !).
1) You'd have a decent chance of a claim for injury to your shoulder under Employers Liability Law. It's so strict that the employer almost has to prove they weren't at fault !
2) If they got shot of you they'd risk a claim for unfair dismissal.
Have my doubts they'll do anything, given the above.
cheers and good luck,
Andy Mc
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Try and relax a bit. Its horrible when you dont know whats going on, your stuck at home and your mind is going a million miles an hour.
Stop beating yourself up.
You will more then likely find, when you return to work it will all be done and dusted.
Ive been in the same situation myself, you spent a week worrying only to find that all is fine.
Good luck !
Stop beating yourself up.
You will more then likely find, when you return to work it will all be done and dusted.
Ive been in the same situation myself, you spent a week worrying only to find that all is fine.
Good luck !
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thats a cool looking ppt, the one at my work is *****.thye put a speed limiter on it.doesnt even go fast walking speed anymore but it will still go into the racking with soem force.however it only seems to be the flt drivers that do damage around the shop.
19 November 2006, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by k.b
thats a cool looking ppt, the one at my work is *****.thye put a speed limiter on it.doesnt even go fast walking speed anymore but it will still go into the racking with soem force.however it only seems to be the flt drivers that do damage around the shop.
back onto my injury im quite sore actually today after a pretty slack weekend. only went for a couple of beers last night for a mates birthday (left shoulder injury, right handed) so holding a pint and nattering about the footy shouldnt be classed as over ecursion (spelling??)... ive got a feeling i might be fooked for going back tonight so im gonna see how it goes.
the thing is if i go back and they ask me "well are you fit for work" and i say "well, erm not really but im skint" and have an accident that IS my fault (this one ive had not being) i would be bet over a barrel without a job etc.
whats everyone elses opions? a few more days off as i cant lift heavy weights etc which is pretty much my job.
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19 November 2006, 03:16 PM
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Even if you arent fit for work you want to go in and see your manager. There seems to be a huge lack of communication. Get yourself into work and sort this out mate.
19 November 2006, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr
Even if you arent fit for work you want to go in and see your manager. There seems to be a huge lack of communication. Get yourself into work and sort this out mate.
i have to speak to personnel higher than that of who are on nights. there are several entrances for different avenues of the company with the warehouse being so large, obviously on nights only a few are accessable to me.
can you see my point. unless i rang up and asked to go in during night hours (10pm while 6am) would i then get anywhere. but thats not even guaranteed.
communication is terrible at my place of work, an example being we only found out 3 days before christmas last year, what days we could have off. we were told as we were nights we had to work boxing day night if out names were the unlucky ones drawn out of a hat. even though its a bank holiday. those who refused were sacked for gross misconduct.
believe it or not its a milti million pound business etc, but the communication and treatment is very poor by any form of standard. thats why i wont be going back to work unless im fully fit, as my immediate superiors are the type to throw you right back in at the deep end with no phased return to your duties.
what ive said in the above is neither slanderous or false, ask any member of the nights staff and they will echo this view. hence why im trying to sort out a meeting with human resources on days to find out about any pendng investigation or infact my job!
as soon as i mentioned i would be making a claim back for loss of earnings after the inverstigation SHOULD rid me of blame for the accident, i was told i would recieve a call from another person, by HR. i was told this on friday morning round 10am. did i recieve a call from the said induvidual who deals with this sort of thing... erm... nope.
so you can see where my frustration is coming from. being young too (22) i dont have the experience of someone more mature, say mid 30s etc. also because of my age, i dont feel as though i get paid as much respect as older members of the workforce. another point echoed by many.
at the moment its a game of swings and round-a-bouts. but im calling up work tonight to inform them im going to the doctors in the morning to seek another lot of professional advice, and i will see what is said, if anything, then. if not i may try human resources again afterwards, and start demanding some answers. otherwise a phone call to the c.a.b. may be needed.
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21 November 2006, 12:22 PM
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another update...
HR have just called and wish for me to see the occupational nurse tomorrow regarding when to go back to work. now she can only remommend so if the powers that be demand i jump right back into my normal pattern and duties, i dont have any say on the matter...
regards an investigation, that will be held in a meeting between me and s.h.e.q. representitives. it will be there that the blame for the accident will be determined, and if anything is obviosly put onto me then i will be putting in a claim etc. and filing an appeal against taken actions against me. if its found to be my employers fault (for example the reasons dci gene hunt wrote earlier in this thread) then i will consider my options regarding lost earnings, and would expect them to pay them as a goodwill gesture at the least.
all this could take a while but at the moment im on the mend and may be able to return next week depending on the outcome of the meeting with the occ nurse tomorrow. it does however stun me that as she is a totally independant figure in this, her recomendations can be overturned without a flicker of an eyelid, such as what happened in a previous non work related accident. i suppose however if any recommended phased return to work was overuled by either HR management or my immediate superiors at work. and i had an accident regards this, i believe i would have them bent over a barrel, so the saying goes.
any more feedback appreciated...
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p.s. at least having one phonecall has calmed me down a little and stoped the raging panick forthwich i was a little stricken.
HR have just called and wish for me to see the occupational nurse tomorrow regarding when to go back to work. now she can only remommend so if the powers that be demand i jump right back into my normal pattern and duties, i dont have any say on the matter...
regards an investigation, that will be held in a meeting between me and s.h.e.q. representitives. it will be there that the blame for the accident will be determined, and if anything is obviosly put onto me then i will be putting in a claim etc. and filing an appeal against taken actions against me. if its found to be my employers fault (for example the reasons dci gene hunt wrote earlier in this thread) then i will consider my options regarding lost earnings, and would expect them to pay them as a goodwill gesture at the least.
all this could take a while but at the moment im on the mend and may be able to return next week depending on the outcome of the meeting with the occ nurse tomorrow. it does however stun me that as she is a totally independant figure in this, her recomendations can be overturned without a flicker of an eyelid, such as what happened in a previous non work related accident. i suppose however if any recommended phased return to work was overuled by either HR management or my immediate superiors at work. and i had an accident regards this, i believe i would have them bent over a barrel, so the saying goes.
any more feedback appreciated...
andy
p.s. at least having one phonecall has calmed me down a little and stoped the raging panick forthwich i was a little stricken.
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Looks like you've got a handle on things now, you above post really comes across well..... and if you continue on in the same way I'm sure things will work out in your favour
21 November 2006, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Looks like you've got a handle on things now, you above post really comes across well..... and if you continue on in the same way I'm sure things will work out in your favour
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
me too. think said company may be trying to call my bluff, but i refuse to show weakness in front of them. i will win damn it!
Good luck, hope it works well for you
21 November 2006, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
she can only remommend so if the powers that be demand i jump right back into my normal pattern and duties, i dont have any say on the matter...
They may try to strong-arm employees with threats, but cannot legally enforce them. If they DO enforce them, I can only assume that they have got away with it in the past because they have not been challenged - certainly not legally.
If you have been injured at work, whilst carrying out your responsibilities and whilst taking adequate care, as set out in your contract and via any visible signage and training provided, the company has - in one way or another - failed to provide a reasonable level of care to you and are in breach of Health and Safety regulations which are there to protect you.
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Originally Posted by mad_dr
Should your employer demand that you return to work despite a qualified medical professional advising you against it, your employer would be in immediate breach of English employment law and would face large penalties, compensatory payments and possible imprisonment if their actions lead to the injury or worse of employees or members of the public.
They may try to strong-arm employees with threats, but cannot legally enforce them. If they DO enforce them, I can only assume that they have got away with it in the past because they have not been challenged - certainly not legally.
If you have been injured at work, whilst carrying out your responsibilities and whilst taking adequate care, as set out in your contract and via any visible signage and training provided, the company has - in one way or another - failed to provide a reasonable level of care to you and are in breach of Health and Safety regulations which are there to protect you.
They may try to strong-arm employees with threats, but cannot legally enforce them. If they DO enforce them, I can only assume that they have got away with it in the past because they have not been challenged - certainly not legally.
If you have been injured at work, whilst carrying out your responsibilities and whilst taking adequate care, as set out in your contract and via any visible signage and training provided, the company has - in one way or another - failed to provide a reasonable level of care to you and are in breach of Health and Safety regulations which are there to protect you.
when i return to work under my own steam, not when my bosses tell me too, i would fully expect them to disregard and recommended phased return to work set out by the occ. nurse, ie doing so many hors a week untill fully fit. thats what has happened in the past. not them forcing me to go to work when unfit, but making me do more than what im probably capable of when i am there.
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well another update...
went back to work last night. did a return to work form and started my duties. got atannoy round 3am. yep you guessed it, it was the dredded investigation. no notice no time to prepar any notes, just a "do you want a witness or not". i took one in anyway.
what can i say, it didnt seem much of an investigation, more of an intimidation hearing. they threw every little point at me. i had a genuine ruthful answer for all this but they are gonna find cracks, and i suspect if further disaplinary actionm is taken against me, it will not be because of the accident being my fault, but for something toally pointless and ridiculous. basically just to point out that im the pauper ina ll of this and i have no chance of getting anything back off them regards lost earnings.
a good term for what they did tonight... "bully boy tactics" but it didnt work. as said i had a answer for everything, and was even acused of lying and changing my story.
but the hearing/investigation was ajurned until further notice, again leaving me with little time to prepare anything even though they had pages of piuctures and noted gathering STATEMENTS FROM EVERYONE BESIDES THE TEA LADY!
rant over. if i lose my job im taking them to court, simple as.
andy
went back to work last night. did a return to work form and started my duties. got atannoy round 3am. yep you guessed it, it was the dredded investigation. no notice no time to prepar any notes, just a "do you want a witness or not". i took one in anyway.
what can i say, it didnt seem much of an investigation, more of an intimidation hearing. they threw every little point at me. i had a genuine ruthful answer for all this but they are gonna find cracks, and i suspect if further disaplinary actionm is taken against me, it will not be because of the accident being my fault, but for something toally pointless and ridiculous. basically just to point out that im the pauper ina ll of this and i have no chance of getting anything back off them regards lost earnings.
a good term for what they did tonight... "bully boy tactics" but it didnt work. as said i had a answer for everything, and was even acused of lying and changing my story.
but the hearing/investigation was ajurned until further notice, again leaving me with little time to prepare anything even though they had pages of piuctures and noted gathering STATEMENTS FROM EVERYONE BESIDES THE TEA LADY!
rant over. if i lose my job im taking them to court, simple as.
andy
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any more advise, if anything happens tonight at work.
i was thinking if in due course they decide to dismiss me, i will go to the c.a.b. first then a solicitor...
andy.
p.s. what should i be doing them for?
i was thinking if in due course they decide to dismiss me, i will go to the c.a.b. first then a solicitor...
andy.
p.s. what should i be doing them for?
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Hi Andy,
I dont know if you are in a union or not, my honest advice is, if they call you in again tonight, Hold up your right to have the meeting adjourned until you can make your legal friend available, Get a date for the 2nd hearing and go armed with your legal friend. If you use another member of their staff, remember in the long run he will be faithful to who pays his wages. Its clearly not a nice situation that you are in. I would seek legal advice tbh... You have read about my situation fella, And i hope this situation gets sorted out for you ASAP....
Mark
I dont know if you are in a union or not, my honest advice is, if they call you in again tonight, Hold up your right to have the meeting adjourned until you can make your legal friend available, Get a date for the 2nd hearing and go armed with your legal friend. If you use another member of their staff, remember in the long run he will be faithful to who pays his wages. Its clearly not a nice situation that you are in. I would seek legal advice tbh... You have read about my situation fella, And i hope this situation gets sorted out for you ASAP....
Mark