Stealth

iTrader: (4)

15K for a P1....... jesus now that is expensive, I paid 12.5K for mine lat year with 44K on the clock with every reciept, subaru stamp the lot..... they ain't that expensive!

hmmm other 2 door cars i nthe simliar price range to the P1

BMW M3 Evo - not as quick, just as impractical, more expensive to run, servicing etc! but by god they sound nice and look good

Mercedes 320CLK - Couldn't pull the skin off of a rice pudding

Renault Clio 182 - Can't knock this car, proper pocket rocket but suffers the same fate I'm affraid, not very practical, to small all round and it's french, costs a mint to fix when it breaks, and it will break

RX8 - car looks wicked but is massively under powered for it's aggressive look!

Audi TT 225 - Great if your a bird or a male hairdresser oh and not as quick!

Audi S3 - magic all round car, not as pretty as the P1 and it's a strangled 1.8T

Anymore for anymore...... now these are just my opinions

MBK

I owned a P1 from new and until 2005 I would have agreed that it was by far the best Scoob...and then I bought a newage STi, which wasn't! Until I took it to some place in Tewkesbury...name escapes me , then suddenly the newage came alive and was like a new P1 all over again, with much, much better interior and brakes!

I honestly thought the P1 was the best but having owned a T20 spec car and driven a Spec C with T20 additions I can say things have seriously moved on! Who knows how good the new T25 would be by comparison.

Scutch

It certainly has very impressive stats, thats for certain. Again though, handling and speed dont make the ultimate Subaru, no matter how nimble or quick it is (and it no doubt is in both cases!) I havent had the honour of driving a new age Impreza yet, so cant comment on how able or unable they are.

Daveo

Many, many people have commented to me how much they prefer the wagon over the saloon, especially in sti guise. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but it is mine - that's why even though i'm in cyprus for a year the car is in storage and i will be playing with it again when i return.

I like P1s. I like 22bs. I also like having all the perks of a rapid scoob, combined with a bit more practicality and much more exclusivity.

I just think that P1 owners are very blinkered - a point i've noticed over the 3 years i've been on this BBS.

Dave

slagmagnet69

I think you'll find that most p1 owners have nothing bad to say about any impreza, wagon's included it's just that when it comes to deciding which is the 'ultimate impreza' it would be very difficult to dismiss the p1 as a serious contender especially if you have driven or owned one. I'm sure Prodrive themselves would like to think that the p1 is PERHAP'S the best road going example to date.

Anyone who has visited the p1woc will realise that every scoob owner is welcomed and respected on the site it's only when you visit this site that you begin to you realise that it's the non-p1 owners that are the 'blinkered' one's.

Everyone claims to be the best or the fastest (especially the easily wound up Type R owners) all the p1 clan are saying is that the p1 was set up to be a great all rounder and throughout the years there has been enough press and documentation to support this.

DONT HATE THE PLAYER - HATE THE GAME. P1's KICK A$$.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

could be worse... we could all drive evo's...

<flame suit on>

andy

Quade1881

Or we could be lil boy racers and drive fto's!

Daveo

Have I slagged off the P1, in this or any other of my posts? No.

All scooby owners are welcome on this site too, so it is no different to the p1woc in that respect.

My point is - whenever anyone mentions 'ultimate impreza', 'best ever impreza' etc etc you get a multitude of P1 owners who automatically think it has to be the P1, when it doesn't. |That's where the 'blinkered' comment comes from. The P1 should be included, along with every other type of scoob.

Don't hate the player, hate the game - means what exactly?

ADY 555

So at the end of the day, the P1 is the best.
I couldn't agree more.

fatmanscooby

Why do you assume we hate the P1, i dont i quite like them i wouldnt buy one but i dont hate them.

fatmanscooby

Read the post i said it may be the best "British" Scoob it certainly isnt the Best ever.

Daveo

It seems that if you don't quite rate the P1 as the best ever, you automatically hate them and their owners. I like you actually like them, but like you wouldn't buy one.

Dave

fatmanscooby

I asked the question on P1WOC yesterday but no one has answered yet. What makes a P1 better than a Version 6 Type R? I just cant see it, it certainly isnt 3-£4000 better.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Right, UK wise for rarity your looking at the 22B, for outright performance/handling then its the WR1, for the ultimate PRODUCTION impreza then your looking at the new Spec C type RA-R, for the ultimate aftermarket package then your looking at the new type 25.
That sorts it all out

Tony

Cgarcia

I had a P1 for 3 years. It really does take some beating. The main reason i sold my car was because the mileage was getting high and their are issues with the engines and i didnt fancy a 3-4k Rebuild. I test drove lots of other newer impreza's when i decided i was changing car but nothing came close hence the reason i left the marque all together. P1 owners know they have a special car and thats really all that matters.

T-gro

The shorter gears of the type-r make it a significantly more explosive, which makes the whole package a lot more aggressive. It always seemed a bit of a waste having such a composed and stable chassis without having a fairly vicious power delivery.

I don't know if it would work very well in the P1, as the viscous diff and less aggressive rear diff don't work in the same way, but the blend of grip, balance and acceleration in the r's, ra's, spec c's etc really make for a distinct and exciting experience compared to the more standard models.

Scutch

In all honesty, I dont think any of the newer cars can be considered to be the ultimate Subaru, as they havent stood the test of time like the P1/22B/Wagon etc have. 7 years its been since its arrival, and the P1 is still in group tests and considered to the the greatest ever Impreza. Thats a testament to how well its done since day one. Evo Magazine placed it 7th in the car of the decade poll in 2005 iirc. Where were the Evo's or Type R's? The 22B? Where? Not included, because they are not considered to be the ultimate package, which the P1 has and more. In my opinion, and many others who dont even own a P1, Evo Magazine and this reviewer in post #1 naming but two

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Well if your not going to mention it the RB5 was voted a better car than the P1, easier to live with, the Spec C sat at the top of the board for 3 years, only an evo knocked it off, and that wont be there long
As for standing the test of time.... not saying anything except that most P1's have had a warranty claim for some mechanical failure (within the first 3 years) that includes engines etc, dont know 1 JDM Spec C thats had that problem in 4 years.
The P1 is now 8 years old (yes 8 cos it was based on a 5 which is an MY99 and its nearly 2007), has it stood the test of time well? probably a few examples but really they show their age now, its still a good car but it was never a great car, that was pretty much sorted out from day 1, and the developement between the P1 and the WR1 for instance, well its worlds apart, considering the weight difference etc, the WR1 is a nicer car to drive and a nicer enviroment to be in (and more practical).
If you like your classics, good on you, ive had one and moved on to something better but if you want something with that raw edge then you wont get it from a P1, you need a type RA or a type R for that really

Tony

Scutch

Bah...
RB5 is a superb car, should of mentioned it really. But in Top Gear and Evo it was placed behind the P1, hence why the P1 is usually the showcase of Group Tests and included in the Car of the Decade classes.
The newage Impreza's, including the WR1, are a good distance ahead in terms of a nice place to be sitting and possibly chassis, but the P1 still shows that Subaru did kind of go a bit wayward with the design and appearance after the classic era. Each to their own.
You seem to be very informed on the ins and outs of most Subaru motors, so I will respect your knowledge and sit in the corner until someone else backs me up a bit more. Hehe.

Oh and as for your comment regarding the P1 being a good car but not a great car, of all the places I'd expect a comment like that, a Subaru based forum would be among the last. The P1 is respected even by the guys on the Lancer Register, who regard it as a great car, along with the Evo VI. Arent we all meant to stick together, not slate a brother? I havent slated any cars in this thread to my knowledge, but I would still rate the P1 above them all (not just because I own one, but also because of what I have said right through the thread, and what has been said in reviews and road tests for 8 years now).

The P1 is, without a shadow of a doubt, a great car.

Daveo

Somer very interesting and well put points tony. But is the WR1 better performance wise than a P1/Type R/Sti 6? I know it's more powerful, but is it any quicker?

Dave

Scutch

I believe its not as quick as the P1/Type R etc to 60mph, but marginally quicker to 100mph.

Lazy Monkey

Doozer/cursed bat - yhpm

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

WR1 0-60 is 4.25, the P1? 4.5, type R 4.4
0-100 is 11ish 13 something in the P1

Its quite a bit quicker than the P1

Tony

Scutch

Where did you get those figures from?

I was taking my figures from LetsTorqueBHP - Home, which is the quickest I've seen.

I have never seen any stats on the WR1's 0-60mph being 4.25s. Type 25 yes, but not WR1.
0-100mph in a stock P1, 12.3s.
Its 'quite a bit' quicker than a P1, but hardly noticeable at all in the real world, which we all live in

Fantastic evolution.

An article on the WR1 (which is undoubtedly a superb car in its own right)

"The WR1 is undoubtedly an improvement over the STi PPP, and a great deal of that is down to the centre diff. It gives the car greater agility and better balnce, while the better spread of power and torque from the smoother, remapped engine works well with it. It's the best UK car since the P1, but it's not better than the P1. It still lacks decent front end; the steering and turn-in are both soft, and although it rides well, the P1 has superior body control and compusure."

Bat-Fink

Oh dear.....

I love the P1 looks and the all round goodness of it and the fact it's one of only a 1000 made.

The looks are still amazing six years on as well.

Nobody said about it being better then this one etc,I read the review as it being the best Impreza that does everything and more.

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

IMO they are all great cars

Scutch

Yup. It does everything it sets out to and thats why it is, in the reviewers opinion, the ultimate Subaru. Its set up for the UK roads, it looks amazing, its performance is superb and it sounds...well, it sounds like an Impreza!

Bat-Fink

Yep it's alright saying the STI Ra (the first one) and STI6's are the best they are a bit single minded compared to the P1.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Prodrive (they tested both cars... ah probably because they did the package for them )

Thats far from perfect, it only takes into consideration bhp/weight, not gear ratio's or the likes which gives you better accelleration.

Tony

Scutch

I think thats what people are forgetting. To be the Ultimate Subaru takes more than handling and performance. It involves looks, road holding, poise amongst many other things and the P1 has them all. Maybe not in the same league as the Spec C or Type 25 performance wise, but averaging out every single attribute has the P1 jumping right back up the board