Impreza P1 - Greatest Ever Subaru?
18 November 2006, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Prodrive (they tested both cars... ah probably because they did the package for them 
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Thats far from perfect, it only takes into consideration bhp/weight, not gear ratio's or the likes which gives you better accelleration.
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)Thats far from perfect, it only takes into consideration bhp/weight, not gear ratio's or the likes which gives you better accelleration.
Tony
Like stated by Bat-Fink though, the WR1, even if quicker, doesnt figure in the Ultimate Subaru poll in my opinion, no matter how good it is. The T25 and Spec C would be above it.
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Originally Posted by Scutch
I think thats what people are forgetting. To be the Ultimate Subaru takes more than handling and performance. It involves looks, road holding, poise amongst many other things and the P1 has them all. Maybe not in the same league as the Spec C or Type 25 performance wise, but averaging out every single attribute has the P1 jumping right back up the board
18 November 2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat-Fink
Yeah I agree 100% mate,I'd love a RA or summant as I think they're awesome.
There are a select few that would make the final cut.
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I think the key to this is that it is opinions here and not all facts, in one persons opinion this car is better than another and a different person will have a different opinion again.
These tests (mags) all test std. cars and few remain std. for long in the real world.
I thought that Subaru deliberately set the geometery for understeer as its safer for the average driver and once the enthusiastic driver has fettled a little it will be different(better?) than the ones tested in the mags. Then some cars resond better to fettling than others so this can bring another variable in too.
I think we all agree that all Scoobs are great just some are better suited to your individual tastes.
ps I am excepting bugs are they are just ugly
pps only kidding
These tests (mags) all test std. cars and few remain std. for long in the real world.
I thought that Subaru deliberately set the geometery for understeer as its safer for the average driver and once the enthusiastic driver has fettled a little it will be different(better?) than the ones tested in the mags. Then some cars resond better to fettling than others so this can bring another variable in too.
I think we all agree that all Scoobs are great just some are better suited to your individual tastes.
ps I am excepting bugs are they are just ugly
pps only kidding
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Originally Posted by Scutch
I think thats what people are forgetting. To be the Ultimate Subaru takes more than handling and performance. It involves looks, road holding, poise amongst many other things and the P1 has them all. Maybe not in the same league as the Spec C or Type 25 performance wise, but averaging out every single attribute has the P1 jumping right back up the board
the P1 never had them, the RB5 WAS voted a better car because it did have them Tony
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Did everyone read the article ? I have to admit it was my post in another forum that Scutch took this write up.
It was written by an impartial journo. He did not compare any performance figures between the P1 and anything else. He is obviously reflecting on a 6 year old car and not putting it against any JDM spec wagons, Type R's, Spec C new age or the like. Purely UK cars. GL, Sport, Turbo, RB5, P1, WRX, Sti type UK, 22b etc. As usual with S.Net it becomes a 'mine's better than yours' thread. The Evo boys would laugh their butts off reading all this. All reason goes out the window.
Who here has driven each official variant for a length of time? Make a list if you have. Remember that all Impreza's are damn good.
Someone commented all P1's have had engine failure. Show the proof. I'd like to see it.
Someone commented P1's are expensive for their age. Probably because they were in the last line of what is now refered to as the 'classic'. Why 'classic' i wonder. It is also has the name attached to which we all owe a huge debt. Without Prodrive, Subaru would probably still be targeting farmers to sell their products, not driving enthusiasts who demand performance, practicality, value for money and quality. The P1 is, along with the 22B, a car that in 10 years will still turn heads. New age cars won't. Not even the WR1.
So read the thing again and think about it. The P1 IS a special car. To disregard it is ignorrant. Maybe its not the best ever Impreza but certainly, with ALL things taken into account, its very close to being the best thats been available within the UK.
It was written by an impartial journo. He did not compare any performance figures between the P1 and anything else. He is obviously reflecting on a 6 year old car and not putting it against any JDM spec wagons, Type R's, Spec C new age or the like. Purely UK cars. GL, Sport, Turbo, RB5, P1, WRX, Sti type UK, 22b etc. As usual with S.Net it becomes a 'mine's better than yours' thread. The Evo boys would laugh their butts off reading all this. All reason goes out the window.
Who here has driven each official variant for a length of time? Make a list if you have. Remember that all Impreza's are damn good.
Someone commented all P1's have had engine failure. Show the proof. I'd like to see it.
Someone commented P1's are expensive for their age. Probably because they were in the last line of what is now refered to as the 'classic'. Why 'classic' i wonder. It is also has the name attached to which we all owe a huge debt. Without Prodrive, Subaru would probably still be targeting farmers to sell their products, not driving enthusiasts who demand performance, practicality, value for money and quality. The P1 is, along with the 22B, a car that in 10 years will still turn heads. New age cars won't. Not even the WR1.
So read the thing again and think about it. The P1 IS a special car. To disregard it is ignorrant. Maybe its not the best ever Impreza but certainly, with ALL things taken into account, its very close to being the best thats been available within the UK.
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
the P1 never had them, the RB5 WAS voted a better car because it did have them Tony
Anyway, in your opinion the RB5 is the greatest ever Subaru?
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Originally Posted by RFC
Did everyone read the article ? I have to admit it was my post in another forum that Scutch took this write up.
It was written by an impartial journo. He did not compare any performance figures between the P1 and anything else. He is obviously reflecting on a 6 year old car and not putting it against any JDM spec wagons, Type R's, Spec C new age or the like. Purely UK cars. GL, Sport, Turbo, RB5, P1, WRX, Sti type UK, 22b etc. As usual with S.Net it becomes a 'mine's better than yours' thread. The Evo boys would laugh their butts off reading all this. All reason goes out the window.
Who here has driven each official variant for a length of time? Make a list if you have. Remember that all Impreza's are damn good.
Someone commented all P1's have had engine failure. Show the proof. I'd like to see it.
Someone commented P1's are expensive for their age. Probably because they were in the last line of what is now refered to as the 'classic'. Why 'classic' i wonder. It is also has the name attached to which we all owe a huge debt. Without Prodrive, Subaru would probably still be targeting farmers to sell their products, not driving enthusiasts who demand performance, practicality, value for money and quality. The P1 is, along with the 22B, a car that in 10 years will still turn heads. New age cars won't. Not even the WR1.
So read the thing again and think about it. The P1 IS a special car. To disregard it is ignorrant. Maybe its not the best ever Impreza but certainly, with ALL things taken into account, its very close to being the best thats been available within the UK.
It was written by an impartial journo. He did not compare any performance figures between the P1 and anything else. He is obviously reflecting on a 6 year old car and not putting it against any JDM spec wagons, Type R's, Spec C new age or the like. Purely UK cars. GL, Sport, Turbo, RB5, P1, WRX, Sti type UK, 22b etc. As usual with S.Net it becomes a 'mine's better than yours' thread. The Evo boys would laugh their butts off reading all this. All reason goes out the window.
Who here has driven each official variant for a length of time? Make a list if you have. Remember that all Impreza's are damn good.
Someone commented all P1's have had engine failure. Show the proof. I'd like to see it.
Someone commented P1's are expensive for their age. Probably because they were in the last line of what is now refered to as the 'classic'. Why 'classic' i wonder. It is also has the name attached to which we all owe a huge debt. Without Prodrive, Subaru would probably still be targeting farmers to sell their products, not driving enthusiasts who demand performance, practicality, value for money and quality. The P1 is, along with the 22B, a car that in 10 years will still turn heads. New age cars won't. Not even the WR1.
So read the thing again and think about it. The P1 IS a special car. To disregard it is ignorrant. Maybe its not the best ever Impreza but certainly, with ALL things taken into account, its very close to being the best thats been available within the UK.
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I can't see one post here where the P1 has been "disregard"ed ... it is a great car, still turns my head when I see one on the road. It's just that time has moved on & there are better Scoobs around now.
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So read the thing again and think about it. The P1 IS a special car. To disregard it is ignorrant. Maybe its not the best ever Impreza but certainly, with ALL things taken into account, its very close to being the best thats been available within the UK.
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Ok, I really like the P1 - always turns my head when I see one.
But... im surprised nobody has mentioned the fuelling issue. I think Subaru, decided to skimp a little and use an STi 5/6 ECU and just stuck a broquet in the fuel tank to sort any det issues. Add the already weak MY99/00 MAF shared by all UK / Jab scoobs, and then stick a decat on there - bang. I think if it had been a year later, and Subaru UK or Prodrive, had latched onto Ecutek and had the later MAF - all would have been well.
Apart from that, what a car!
And yes, loads of them have gone pop. There was a very big thread a year or so ago about it, and a lot of 1st hand experience on there.
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But... im surprised nobody has mentioned the fuelling issue. I think Subaru, decided to skimp a little and use an STi 5/6 ECU and just stuck a broquet in the fuel tank to sort any det issues. Add the already weak MY99/00 MAF shared by all UK / Jab scoobs, and then stick a decat on there - bang. I think if it had been a year later, and Subaru UK or Prodrive, had latched onto Ecutek and had the later MAF - all would have been well.
Apart from that, what a car!
And yes, loads of them have gone pop. There was a very big thread a year or so ago about it, and a lot of 1st hand experience on there.
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Owned our P1 for 3 years, best car we ever had, including our current WR1
Yes the WR1 is more practical, comfortable better built etc, but it aint as much fun
On the performance front had a play between our standard P1 & a standard WR1 on the IOM (no speed limits) nothing in it at all, OK WR1 has more BHP but it's heavier.
Also played the other way round driving our WR1 with P1 following, same result
All great cars, it's just personal opinion.
I just hope the bottom falls out of the P1 market so we can aford one as a second car either way don't think we've owned our last P1...least I hope not
Yes the WR1 is more practical, comfortable better built etc, but it aint as much fun
On the performance front had a play between our standard P1 & a standard WR1 on the IOM (no speed limits) nothing in it at all, OK WR1 has more BHP but it's heavier.
Also played the other way round driving our WR1 with P1 following, same result
All great cars, it's just personal opinion.
I just hope the bottom falls out of the P1 market so we can aford one as a second car
either way don't think we've owned our last P1...least I hope not
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That is a good point. You buy the car for enjoyment and pace. The newer scoobs with all the bells and whistles are heavier and less fun, and maybe a second quicker on a lap of a track?
Not progress for me
I miss my STi5. Monster.
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Not progress for me
I miss my STi5. Monster.
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Still miss mine en all ...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1084300/sub2.JPG
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http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1084300/sub2.JPG
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
That is a good point. You buy the car for enjoyment and pace. The newer scoobs with all the bells and whistles are heavier and less fun, and maybe a second quicker on a lap of a track?
Not progress for me
I miss my STi5. Monster.
MB
Not progress for me
I miss my STi5. Monster.
MB
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Originally Posted by Stealth
But it's not a copy is it........... the only thing the same is the engine, body changed, suspension changed, wheels changed, ECU changed... interior changed, to me if I wanted a COPY of something I would be very pissed off to get something so different!!
As a whole package, the P1 has to be the best Impreza available IMHO
As a whole package, the P1 has to be the best Impreza available IMHO
ECU, same as the JDM STI, map and all, wheels, Prodrive, suspension, changed, interior, changed, climate control, changed and crappy uk system put in instead (manual).
Body, no its still a type r shell, you cant change that.
Dont think the P1 is the best thing sinced sliced bread because it isnt, you missed everything the P1 is about because you dont understand what it is.
Putting it in simple terms, back in the late 20th century, subaru's were becoming popular in the uk, the one thing they didnt have was the power of their japanese counterparts, we got 16 type UK 22b's in 98, but that wasnt really enough (especially if you saw the price tag
) so they came up with this idea, people wanted a UK warrantied JDM equivelant car, hence the P1's prototypes were STi type R's (2 of in white which are still in the uk and now in private hands and came with a full uk warranty).The P1 was born, something to compete against the imports of the late 90's, but was it.... honest truth is that yes you got 276bhp but you didnt get the rawness of the JDM cars which people wanted, it was never as good and was a let down, of the first 500 they produced they sold like hot cakes because people wanted to get a 276bhp UK equivelant of a JDM STI, the next 500 they produced (because of demand) acutually didnt sell that well, hence you see lots on X and Y plates (these were a W reg released car) so to move them all it took over 1 year.
The car itself was good, it gave most people what they wanted, but it wasnt great, people still wanted that little extra that the JDM gave them (or is it alot extra).
Now you know, its not the best car they had for those reasons, the WR1 is a far better car because Prodrive had a better car to build on, its not a classic v new age slagging thread, though if you think your P1 is good you should try my Spec C
its a lot better in every department Tony
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Originally Posted by banny sti
In Tony's opinion the bestest car in the world never mind Subaru is a....... spec c!
Banny
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A noble
Or some other quick nasty beast
Or if I cant have that then yes, i suppose id buy another Spec C
reason being? it is the best factory impreza you can buy Tony
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Originally Posted by Scutch
I think thats what people are forgetting. To be the Ultimate Subaru takes more than handling and performance. It involves looks, road holding, poise amongst many other things and the P1 has them all
Handling.... yes they do handle well, but they also flex like any other classic shell, that is a problem.... reduces handling ability.
Looks....
how can you say it has looks, its god damn ugly, all impreza's are, it just looks stupid with a big spoiler, 17 inch wheels and brake discs just barely bigger than a 306 GTi's (which could also stop quicker!)Highly amusing though
you need to drive some "real" impreza's Tony
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
That made me laugh
Handling.... yes they do handle well, but they also flex like any other classic shell, that is a problem.... reduces handling ability.
Looks.... how can you say it has looks, its god damn ugly, all impreza's are, it just looks stupid with a big spoiler, 17 inch wheels and brake discs just barely bigger than a 306 GTi's (which could also stop quicker!)
Highly amusing though you need to drive some "real" impreza's
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Handling.... yes they do handle well, but they also flex like any other classic shell, that is a problem.... reduces handling ability.
Looks....
how can you say it has looks, its god damn ugly, all impreza's are, it just looks stupid with a big spoiler, 17 inch wheels and brake discs just barely bigger than a 306 GTi's (which could also stop quicker!)Highly amusing though
you need to drive some "real" impreza's Tony
Why arent you out in this ultimate Spec C Impreza if its so superb? A select number of P1s came with uprated brakes too, and 18" alloys.
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18 November 2006, 09:07 PM
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I find that it's always the P1 owners who come on here saying they have 'the best Impreza'. Frankly, I don't give a $hit. If you think it's the best, well, good, keep it to yourself and f-off back to the p1woc
I guess I'm jealous now and that I hate P1s?
I guess I'm jealous now and that I hate P1s?
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Jealous, Haters, Jees get a Grip 
Not having a go, as I havent slated any other car, but as you know, if you have a Type R, its so much better than the P1. Jees get a grip
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Originally Posted by Scooby-doo97
I find that it's always the P1 owners who come on here saying they have 'the best Impreza'. Frankly, I don't give a $hit. If you think it's the best, well, good, keep it to yourself and f-off back to the p1woc
I guess I'm jealous now and that I hate P1s?
I guess I'm jealous now and that I hate P1s?
It just makes you look like you do care.
18 November 2006, 09:15 PM
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Indeed. I think this should be renamed TypeRnet or AntiP1net. If you dont give a sh*t, then why post a comment indicating so?
It just makes you look like you do care.
It just makes you look like you do care.
Hell, I might start a thread every now and then stating how good a type R is, or how good the type 25 is
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Originally Posted by Scutch
Tony has had a pop at the P1 at every opportunity, and anyone with a Type R has a VERY tall horse that they can never seem to get down from. Just my overall opinion on the situation. There's ALWAYS something about the Type R thats better than the P1. ALWAYS. Never a comment about how good the P1 is, even if it is based on the Type R. Its always a comment slating it because it is based on the Type R.
Not having a go, as I havent slated any other car, but as you know, if you have a Type R, its so much better than the P1. Jees get a grip
Not having a go, as I havent slated any other car, but as you know, if you have a Type R, its so much better than the P1. Jees get a grip
give me a good old UK P1 over a Type R anyday
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Originally Posted by Scooby-doo97
Nope, just sick of P1 owners always starting a thread about how good the P1 is Hell, I might start a thread every now and then stating how good a type R is, or how good the type 25 is
Hell, I might start a thread every now and then stating how good a type R is, or how good the type 25 is
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Originally Posted by Scutch
Tony has had a pop at the P1 at every opportunity, and anyone with a Type R has a VERY tall horse that they can never seem to get down from. Just my overall opinion on the situation. There's ALWAYS something about the Type R thats better than the P1. ALWAYS. Never a comment about how good the P1 is, even if it is based on the Type R. Its always a comment slating it because it is based on the Type R.
Not having a go, as I havent slated any other car, but as you know, if you have a Type R, its so much better than the P1. Jees get a grip
Not having a go, as I havent slated any other car, but as you know, if you have a Type R, its so much better than the P1. Jees get a grip
The P1 is ok never said its not, in my eyes the Type R is better more toys, more focused,BETTER VALUE for money. If i didnt have mine id go and buy another making it 3 in a row.For the record as they cant be arsed to answer my question on P1WOC, what makes a P1 better than a Version 6 Type R?
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Fair do's. If you find the reviews or a journalists comments on the Type R or Type 25, post them up. I'd read them and give an honest opinion. The T25 is a stunning car, and one I'd love to own. I've always loved them. I chose a P1 over the Type R for many reasons, warranty and it being a Uk car to name but two. Thats all, I respect all the models
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
The P1 is ok never said its not, in my eyes the Type R is better more toys, more focused,BETTER VALUE for money. If i didnt have mine id go and buy another making it 3 in a row.For the record as they cant be arsed to answer my question on P1WOC, what makes a P1 better than a Version 6 Type R?
I agree that your Type R (if you still have it) is up there as being one of the best examples I've ever seen.