Impreza P1 - Greatest Ever Subaru?
18 November 2006, 09:38 PM
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The P1 is completely overrated!.
Subaru's be it a P1, WR1 or Spec C are basically a poor mans substitute for the much superior Mitsubishi Evo. From the early nineties the Evo has been the front runner and better engineered car, the dccd differential in the type r was introduced in the Tommi Makinen Evo and copied by Subaru. The anti yaw sensor was fitted to the Evo's and when recognised as being beneficial and the seperating factor in handling between the two cars. Subaru yet again copied the technological advances Mitsubishi engineers had made and fitted this modification to the new Subaru STi. The weight saving of the Spec C is no match to Evo FQ kerb weight and compare the FQ360 and Spec C RA and the Mitsubishi is by far the better performance for your pound car. The P1 is over rated and is a tame version of the type R of in which is out classed by it's equivalent Evo, us Evo owners laugh at Scoobys.
18 November 2006, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by norma snockers
Subaru's be it a P1, WR1 or Spec C are basically a poor mans substitute for the much superior Mitsubishi Evo. From the early nineties the Evo has been the front runner and better engineered car, the dccd differential in the type r was introduced in the Tommi Makinen Evo and copied by Subaru. The anti yaw sensor was fitted to the Evo's and when recognised as being beneficial and the seperating factor in handling between the two cars. Subaru yet again copied the technological advances Mitsubishi engineers had made and fitted this modification to the new Subaru STi. The weight saving of the Spec C is no match to Evo FQ kerb weight and compare the FQ360 and Spec C RA and the Mitsubishi is by far the better performance for your pound car. The P1 is over rated and is a tame version of the type R of in which is out classed by it's equivalent Evo, us Evo owners laugh at Scoobys.
Ahh, well what a lovely comment to kick things off even further. My girlfriend is buying an Evo VI tomorrow anyway. So, best of both worlds I suppose.
18 November 2006, 09:40 PM
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P1 is overrated.
Subaru's be it a P1, WR1 or Spec C are basically a poor mans substitute for the much superior Mitsubishi Evo. From the early nineties the Evo has been the front runner and better engineered car, the dccd differential in the type r was introduced in the Tommi Makinen Evo and copied by Subaru. The anti yaw sensor was fitted to the Evo's and when recognised as being beneficial and the seperating factor in handling between the two cars. Subaru yet again copied the technological advances Mitsubishi engineers had made and fitted this modification to the new Subaru STi. The weight saving of the Spec C is no match to Evo FQ kerb weight and compare the FQ360 and Spec C RA and the Mitsubishi is by far the better performance for your pound car. The P1 is over rated and is a tame version of the type R of in which is out classed by it's equivalent Evo, us Evo owners laugh at Scoobys.
18 November 2006, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by norma snockers
Subaru's be it a P1, WR1 or Spec C are basically a poor mans substitute for the much superior Mitsubishi Evo. From the early nineties the Evo has been the front runner and better engineered car, the dccd differential in the type r was introduced in the Tommi Makinen Evo and copied by Subaru. The anti yaw sensor was fitted to the Evo's and when recognised as being beneficial and the seperating factor in handling between the two cars. Subaru yet again copied the technological advances Mitsubishi engineers had made and fitted this modification to the new Subaru STi. The weight saving of the Spec C is no match to Evo FQ kerb weight and compare the FQ360 and Spec C RA and the Mitsubishi is by far the better performance for your pound car. The P1 is over rated and is a tame version of the type R of in which is out classed by it's equivalent Evo, us Evo owners laugh at Scoobys.
18 November 2006, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by norma snockers
Subaru's be it a P1, WR1 or Spec C are basically a poor mans substitute for the much superior Mitsubishi Evo. From the early nineties the Evo has been the front runner and better engineered car, the dccd differential in the type r was introduced in the Tommi Makinen Evo and copied by Subaru. The anti yaw sensor was fitted to the Evo's and when recognised as being beneficial and the seperating factor in handling between the two cars. Subaru yet again copied the technological advances Mitsubishi engineers had made and fitted this modification to the new Subaru STi. The weight saving of the Spec C is no match to Evo FQ kerb weight and compare the FQ360 and Spec C RA and the Mitsubishi is by far the better performance for your pound car. The P1 is over rated and is a tame version of the type R of in which is out classed by it's equivalent Evo, us Evo owners laugh at Scoobys.
I cannot read your posts with a straight face whilst you call yourself Norma Snockers!
18 November 2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Having owned an Evo and driven several I can conclude the Evo is a faster point to point machine but so so synthetic. It also is devoid of a decent soundtrack synonymous with the Impreza.
18 November 2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Scutch
lol. Didnt see that thread to be honest, and I still believe that 'that' picture of your car (with the gold alloys at the time) to be the best Impreza picture I've seen. Magazine shot I believe. The Type R might well be underrated in the UK, as its rarely used above the P1 for Magazine articles or reviews. As I said, I bought the P1 for a number of reasons, but the Type R is a lovely motor. I know a couple of people with them, and Tayster's on the p1woc is stunning. Just appears the owners of the Type R will stop at nothing to try and confirm its the best car in the world, and so much better than the P1, which gets rave reviews everywhere it goes. Excluding a minority of Scoobynet it seems I agree that your Type R (if you still have it) is up there as being one of the best examples I've ever seen.
I agree that your Type R (if you still have it) is up there as being one of the best examples I've ever seen. Considering they are basically the same car, they are worlds apart im lucky enough to have driven both and consider the Type R to be Rawer is that a word??? Would i swap it for another Scooby only a 22b i think
Each to there own, but its not the Best Scooby ever, Best British yes.
18 November 2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Thanks yes i still have it Considering they are basically the same car, they are worlds apart im lucky enough to have driven both and consider the Type R to be Rawer is that a word??? Would i swap it for another Scooby only a 22b i think Each to there own, but its not the Best Scooby ever, Best British yes.
Considering they are basically the same car, they are worlds apart im lucky enough to have driven both and consider the Type R to be Rawer is that a word??? Would i swap it for another Scooby only a 22b i think Each to there own, but its not the Best Scooby ever, Best British yes....and your opinion on the Evo VI?
19 November 2006, 12:11 AM
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Lets face it, underneath the P1 its the same car as the type r! Just better looking and handles and drives better on our roads. Now if you put the P1 side skirts, rear wing and front splitter on a type r i might be tempted. AS for the comment about evo's being better, hmmm...... They are nowhere near as good looking as a scooby of any description, and they dont give you that kick under boost like our scoobies do! Fast they may be, but boring power delivery!
19 November 2006, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
The P1 is ok never said its not, in my eyes the Type R is better more toys, more focused,BETTER VALUE for money. If i didnt have mine id go and buy another making it 3 in a row.For the record as they cant be arsed to answer my question on P1WOC, what makes a P1 better than a Version 6 Type R?
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19 November 2006, 06:55 AM
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Mike,
Everything about your P1 is class. Is I was gonna buy one - it would be one like yours. A credit.
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Everything about your P1 is class. Is I was gonna buy one - it would be one like yours. A credit.
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ARE YOU BLIND !!!....it the look you fool
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19 November 2006, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Daveo
Have I slagged off the P1, in this or any other of my posts? No.
Don't hate the player, hate the game - means what exactly?
Don't hate the player, hate the game - means what exactly?
It basically means dont hate the p1 for being as good as it is within the definitions of what makes a good all round performance car.
19 November 2006, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Read the post i said it may be the best "British" Scoob it certainly isnt the Best ever. 
19 November 2006, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
I asked the question on P1WOC yesterday but no one has answered yet. What makes a P1 better than a Version 6 Type R? I just cant see it, it certainly isnt 3-£4000 better.
19 November 2006, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by T-gro
The shorter gears of the type-r make it a significantly more explosive, which makes the whole package a lot more aggressive. It always seemed a bit of a waste having such a composed and stable chassis without having a fairly vicious power delivery.
I don't know if it would work very well in the P1, as the viscous diff and less aggressive rear diff don't work in the same way, but the blend of grip, balance and acceleration in the r's, ra's, spec c's etc really make for a distinct and exciting experience compared to the more standard models.
I don't know if it would work very well in the P1, as the viscous diff and less aggressive rear diff don't work in the same way, but the blend of grip, balance and acceleration in the r's, ra's, spec c's etc really make for a distinct and exciting experience compared to the more standard models.
19 November 2006, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooby-doo97
I find that it's always the P1 owners who come on here saying they have 'the best Impreza'. Frankly, I don't give a $hit. If you think it's the best, well, good, keep it to yourself and f-off back to the p1woc
I guess I'm jealous now and that I hate P1s?
I guess I'm jealous now and that I hate P1s?
19 November 2006, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
but you didnt get the rawness of the JDM cars which people wanted
of the first 500 they produced they sold like hot cakes because people wanted to get a 276bhp UK equivelant of a JDM STI, the next 500 they produced (because of demand) acutually didnt sell that well, hence you see lots on X and Y plates (these were a W reg released car) so to move them all it took over 1 year.
The car itself was good, it gave most people what they wanted, but it wasnt great, people still wanted that little extra that the JDM gave them (or is it alot extra).
Now you know, its not the best car they had for those reasons, the WR1 is a far better car because Prodrive had a better car to build on
As I have mentioned before, products are developed and sold based on what the customers want. I suspect the percentage of people that actually wanted something 'more' raw is very low, in comparison to the people that where completely satisfied with the product.
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19 November 2006, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Scutch
The fact you have a reply to every P1 related comment, rather than sitting back and letting it flow, indicates to me that you are very jealous Why arent you out in this ultimate Spec C Impreza if its so superb?
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Why arent you out in this ultimate Spec C Impreza if its so superb? :
As for the comments, you state that the P1 is THE greatest Subaru ever made, for every plus comment ive given you several negatives to point to cars of the same age and newer that are better in more ways, your basically loosing this battle
Originally Posted by Scutch
A select number of P1s came with uprated brakes too, and 18" alloys.
As for those people saying "if its not a jdm then it gets abuse"
the subject is which is the GREATEST subaru, well its definately not a UK one Marky, you missed the point, they were still trying to flog the P1 late into 2001, plus read the title, the WR1 is not irrelivant if you see what the title says
(I think there are actually 51 reg P1's about 
scary eh! )Tony
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Originally Posted by norma snockers
The weight saving of the Spec C is no match to Evo FQ kerb weight and compare the FQ360 and Spec C RA and the Mitsubishi is by far the better performance for your pound car.
Well its not 360bhp because thats after market
Originally Posted by norma snockers
From the early nineties the Evo has been the front runner and better engineered car, the dccd differential in the type r was introduced in the Tommi Makinen Evo and copied by Subaru. The anti yaw sensor was fitted to the Evo's and when recognised as being beneficial and the seperating factor in handling between the two cars. Subaru yet again copied the technological advances Mitsubishi engineers had made and fitted this modification to the new Subaru STi.
but I will give you the advancement of the evo 4 over that of equivelant subaru's, the evo did have the advantage, but they are still numb to drive. As for advancements, Mitsubishi went one way with the AYC (which works completely differently to the DCCD btw) and subaru went for the DCCD, yes Subaru now have a Yaw sensor but its not a Yaw control like the evo.Tony
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Originally Posted by slagmagnet69
You read it again, you actually said I'ts the best british scoob but you would prefer the Type R but you started of by saying what a a crock of **** and then you agreed that it is the best. How can it be a crock of **** if you think it's the best british scoob.
I stated a Crock of s**** YES!
I then said Best British Subaru YES!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW
It may well be the Best British Subaru, better than a UK2000 possibly i dont know and thats it isnt it, well done great achievement.
19 November 2006, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Ok lets make this as simple as possible for you to understand. The thread was called "Impreza P1 - Greatest Ever Subaru" YES!
I stated a Crock of s**** YES!
I then said Best British Subaru YES!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW
It may well be the Best British Subaru, better than a UK2000 possibly i dont know and thats it isnt it, well done great achievement.
I stated a Crock of s**** YES!
I then said Best British Subaru YES!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW
It may well be the Best British Subaru, better than a UK2000 possibly i dont know and thats it isnt it, well done great achievement.
Steady Simon.
19 November 2006, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Ok lets make this as simple as possible for you to understand. The thread was called "Impreza P1 - Greatest Ever Subaru" YES!
I stated a Crock of s**** YES!
I then said Best British Subaru YES!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW
It may well be the Best British Subaru, better than a UK2000 possibly i dont know and thats it isnt it, well done great achievement.
I stated a Crock of s**** YES!
I then said Best British Subaru YES!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW
It may well be the Best British Subaru, better than a UK2000 possibly i dont know and thats it isnt it, well done great achievement.
In my opinion, I believe the P1 is considered (by others) to be better than the Type R overall because for one its not as raw, which some people find a relief. Not you, obviously, as I have already read
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19 November 2006, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
Im giving up on this. Sorry all the RB5 owners: I thought that on page 1 to be honest. You gotta stick it out though! lol
19 November 2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slagmagnet69
Perhaps but we are not talking about which car is the most explosive or aggressive, we are talking about which car is the most well rounded.
I thought we were talking about the ULTIMATE Impreza.
Now, as I bought my first one because I loved watching Colin Mcrae hoof one around, the ultimate Impreza (for me) is one that has all the qualities that made the rally car so good. In other words explosive power, superb adjustability and incredible traction.
If I wanted a well rounded, four wheel drive everyday car, I probably would have bought an Audi.
19 November 2006, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Quade1881
Lets face it, underneath the P1 its the same car as the type r!
Underneath the P1 is the same as the standard four door STI.
Underneath are the differences that were considered necessary to make to improve the competitiveness of the group n rally cars that the type ra/r's were designed for.
The DCCD, the different rear diff, the larger hubs (and I believe driveshafts) the larger rear brakes.
The P1 is a great car, just as great as the four door STI, which is great! However, unless you actually prefer the character of those cars (which is your right of course) it's more than likely you will find the r's and ra's better, because they were designed to be better.